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Let New Mon Acolyte be BiS for PvP
InvictusApollo
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Just think about it: every new PvPer will have access to a very good, almost BiS offensive craftable set. What does that mean? That the new guys will perform better than they would if they run some other craftable set. Even PvErs will be able to craft themselves this set for an event. Both those groups will have more fun in PvP. And that fun translates directly to staying in PvP. And the more people we get for PvP, the more incentive managers in ZOS will have to allocate resources to PvP.
Let it stay best in slot. Let newcomers have an outstanding almost fully craftable build that uses Blood Moon Acolyte and Armor Master and some monster set (defensive Blood Spawn for noCP and some offensive for CP).
Furthermore look at what kind of set it is. It is a non proc set. NON PROC! That means less calculations for servers. And that means less lag.
Let this set be BiS offensive set for PvP.
Let it stay best in slot. Let newcomers have an outstanding almost fully craftable build that uses Blood Moon Acolyte and Armor Master and some monster set (defensive Blood Spawn for noCP and some offensive for CP).
Furthermore look at what kind of set it is. It is a non proc set. NON PROC! That means less calculations for servers. And that means less lag.
Let this set be BiS offensive set for PvP.
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭I have better option based on your points.
Take gear out of the game.
Give all characters passive stats bonus to compensate.
It will be a very good MMO.7 -
xWarbrain✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Finally! We can all wear the exact same gear!
*Bonus - We can all slot a combination of skills that have exactly the same damage output and resource cost!
Edit - I'm being facetious, can't tell if OP is though
Edited by xWarbrain on September 19, 2019 6:27PMXB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.3 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.11 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i hate obvious bis sets - sets should be balanced without stuff that is clearly better...making 95% of sets useless is just boring1 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
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As opposed to all the Build diversity we currently have?
I’m being sarcastic, in case you didn’t catch that.Edited by Canned_Apples on September 19, 2019 6:49PM3 -
Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not BIS btwDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Casterial , what is BIS to you? On PTS I’ve enjoyed it and essence thief. This next meta seems very burst oriented with high TTK, so stacking weapon damage seems like a reasonable plan.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma1 -
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✭✭@Casterial , what is BIS to you? On PTS I’ve enjoyed it and essence thief. This next meta seems very burst oriented with high TTK, so stacking weapon damage seems like a reasonable plan.
Not sure what he big deal is. I've done Templar and Sorcerer hybrid with around 5K of spell/weapon damage 21/25 mag/stam stat, with pelinal's back bar for massive magicka burst heals, beam, mages wrath, etc. It didn't pan out back then, so I'm not sure how having less hybrid stat will work today.0 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not sure how a crafted set is supposed to help new player? Shacklebreaker and Fortified are both amazing pvp sets, both crafted, and neither make bad players good.1 -
Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Sure why not! Crafters should have good set too and that is endcame content for them.
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Calm_Fury✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.
Exactly... The things you need to do to offset the cost increase basically offset the damage increase over non-condition sets.
People are going to get this set nerfed before actually testing it and it will go from being a balanced, nice option to completely useless as all things go when people cry OP on PTS.4 -
Ozby✭✭✭✭✭bugger pvp, this game is not all about pvp for Pete's sakePC NA
Aurora Bravepaw (Healden), Basks in Fire (DKTank), Bran Artlion (Magplar), Brindel Seedthorne (Stamden WW), Brugo Gargak (Stamcro), Casimir Delmar (StamDK), Falco Bastion (Stamsorc), Fus Ro Dah (Stamplar), Gandalff the Gay (Petsorc), Jo-Qinan Betula (Magden), Laveera Hex (Magcro), Raine Whitestag (Stamden), Raised by Bears (Wardentank), Ralak Rotheart (Healcro), Selene Sunshadow MagDK), Shadow Mirage (NBTank), Slythe Rattlebone (Healplar), Ulfnor Dragonslayer (Tankcro).1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.
My fear is that it will become BiS, which will severely limit build options (for example on the magicka side, it could require being paired with FGD or Breton). It will also make combat even less fun than it is right now as resource management will become even more difficult (managing resources in this game is not my idea of fun).
Basically, it's not a set I would enjoy running. But if its the BiS, it's the BiS, and I'd need to use it or gimp myself.
Will be interesting to see if players can sustain a raid parse in this gear. If they can, I think it becomes the undisputed meta.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 19, 2019 8:32PM2 -
Calm_Fury✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.
My fear is that it will become BiS, which will severely limit build options (for example on the magicka side, it could require being paired with FGD or Breton). It will also make combat even less fun than it is right now as resource management will become even more difficult (managing resources in this game is not my idea of fun).
Basically, it's not a set I would enjoy running. But if its the BiS, it's the BiS, and I'd need to use it or gimp myself.
Will be interesting to see if players can sustain a raid parse in this gear. If they can, I think it becomes the undisputed meta.
There will always be a BiS.
Just look at where we are right now: a lot of combinations are well within 3-4% of each other. People will always, always want that one set that gives 0.1% more.
This set has major drawbacks in PvE, with those super long fights. I'd bet money that, in the long run, a simple Juliano's/Hunding's will be better in those 5+ minutes fights than this set.Edited by Calm_Fury on September 19, 2019 9:04PM2 -
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✭For a while I've thought that perhaps the best way to evaluate a choice of sets for PvP is whether it outperforms Hundings/Julianos + Shacklebreaker, that this latter combination could be seen as a benchmark for PvP builds. It sure looks like New Moon would replace Hundings + Julianos in that consideration.
Whether this diminishes Build Diversity might be estimable if we can determine whether New Moon outperforms sets which "should" outperform a craftable benchmark for a certain build, given their obviously intended synergy. Being only a StamDK my best suggestion for a comparison is Sheer Venom on a 5 Medium StamDK with 2h and bow. Does New Moon outperform Sheer Venom on such a build? Can we estimate this without thorough PvP testing on the PTS?
Edit: Note on a StamDK with 2h/Bow Sheer Venom is strongest if both-barred: its cool-down isn't so large as to make it weak for a both-bar set, in my view, that is to say in any realistic scenario you will see less uptime of its proc if only one-barred. Naturally we should only compare New Moon to sets which are strongest when both-barred.
Edited by Urzigurumash on September 19, 2019 9:30PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »"Us noobs need carry set, please leave carry set in game."
Said users of Relequen. If you want to nerf sets start with Rele first."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.4 -
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✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.
Maybe they got wrecked by a hybrid templar or sorc on PTS?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.
Because people can't read or do math.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is by farInvictusApollo wrote: »Just think about it: every new PvPer will have access to a very good, almost BiS offensive craftable set. What does that mean? That the new guys will perform better than they would if they run some other craftable set. Even PvErs will be able to craft themselves this set for an event. Both those groups will have more fun in PvP. And that fun translates directly to staying in PvP. And the more people we get for PvP, the more incentive managers in ZOS will have to allocate resources to PvP.
Let it stay best in slot. Let newcomers have an outstanding almost fully craftable build that uses Blood Moon Acolyte and Armor Master and some monster set (defensive Blood Spawn for noCP and some offensive for CP).
Furthermore look at what kind of set it is. It is a non proc set. NON PROC! That means less calculations for servers. And that means less lag.
Let this set be BiS offensive set for PvP.
It's not that great lmao, it's good but by far not BIS. I'll prove it once I get home to have enough time to hop on UESP builder.0 -
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✭Yes! Finally! We can all wear the exact same gear!
*Bonus - We can all slot a combination of skills that have exactly the same damage output and resource cost!
Edit - I'm being facetious, can't tell if OP is though
A little. People are making a fuss about this set being OP and BiS while I don't think if it is good enough to change my current sets for it. On paper it looks on par if slightly worse than Spell Power Cure since you can't backbar it and you give nothing to your allies.
It might be one of the best craftable sets but lets be honest: craftable sets are more like starters. This one is very good among them and even competetive for PvP.
I hope it goes live without nerfs because I wan't better oponnents and I want newbies to provide some challenge and stay in PvP.MentalxHammer wrote: »"Us noobs need carry set, please leave carry set in game."
It's not a "carry set". It is just an easily obtainable set that is competetive. If it goes live then during next PvP event ppl will just have to craft two sets: this one and for example Armor Master or Fortified Brass and they will be ready for PvP. Now they would have to theorycraft a build and then farm and spend a lot of gold to make it. Not to mention being forced to transmute some of it's pieces.MLGProPlayer wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this set. It’s 5 piece is like 30 weapon damage more than the burst potential on Truth or Briarheart, which does not carry over to the back bar, and it’s paired with a cost increase that is significant for any fight lasting more than a few seconds.
My fear is that it will become BiS, which will severely limit build options (for example on the magicka side, it could require being paired with FGD or Breton). It will also make combat even less fun than it is right now as resource management will become even more difficult (managing resources in this game is not my idea of fun).
Basically, it's not a set I would enjoy running. But if its the BiS, it's the BiS, and I'd need to use it or gimp myself.
Will be interesting to see if players can sustain a raid parse in this gear. If they can, I think it becomes the undisputed meta.
If you are talking about PvP, then no - it's not BiS and won't be. As for PvE... nah, there are better options. It might however let low CP players have some very good set, before they farm the BiS ones.bugger pvp, this game is not all about pvp for Pete's sake
Are you saying that me and people like me, as in PvPers should just leave ESO and devs should delete PvP and all of that just because you don't play PvP? Or are you just saying that we can't discuss this set in PvP context?
What was the english word for this kind of attitude?1 -
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✭This is by farInvictusApollo wrote: »Just think about it: every new PvPer will have access to a very good, almost BiS offensive craftable set. What does that mean? That the new guys will perform better than they would if they run some other craftable set. Even PvErs will be able to craft themselves this set for an event. Both those groups will have more fun in PvP. And that fun translates directly to staying in PvP. And the more people we get for PvP, the more incentive managers in ZOS will have to allocate resources to PvP.
Let it stay best in slot. Let newcomers have an outstanding almost fully craftable build that uses Blood Moon Acolyte and Armor Master and some monster set (defensive Blood Spawn for noCP and some offensive for CP).
Furthermore look at what kind of set it is. It is a non proc set. NON PROC! That means less calculations for servers. And that means less lag.
Let this set be BiS offensive set for PvP.
It's not that great lmao, it's good but by far not BIS. I'll prove it once I get home to have enough time to hop on UESP builder.
Actually it is not. But it is easier to convince people with my arguments than to explain some basic math to them. Because:Emma_Overload wrote: »Because people can't read or do math.
Unfortunately UESP builder hasn't been updated with this set yet. I have a whole list of things to check when it gets updated.
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✭✭✭✭✭InvictusApollo wrote: »
Exactly. There is no BiS without context. There is no BiS set for PvP, you need to take into consideration so many things so in the end sets unused by majority can be BiS for someone else."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.1 -
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✭InvictusApollo wrote: »
Exactly. There is no BiS without context. There is no BiS set for PvP, you need to take into consideration so many things so in the end sets unused by majority can be BiS for someone else.
After i theorycrafted my tanky af magplar and started browsing TTC for items, I couldn't believe that they were so cheap! A certain set that is BiS for my specific build wasn't considered even in the meta by most people.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭InvictusApollo wrote: »As for PvE... nah, there are better options. It might however let low CP players have some very good set, before they farm the BiS ones.
It's stronger than any non-trial PvE set in terms of stat density. If you can sustain a long fight with it, it will replace every other set. There is no set that comes even remotely close to it in terms of power.Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 20, 2019 11:17AM0 -
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✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »As for PvE... nah, there are better options. It might however let low CP players have some very good set, before they farm the BiS ones.
It's stronger than any non-trial PvE set in terms of stat density. If you can sustain a long fight with it, it will replace every other set. There is no set that comes even remotely close to it in terms of power.
Sounds like a pve issue if you don't need to care about sustain to be honest. Nerf damage even further and you'll regret it next patch.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »As for PvE... nah, there are better options. It might however let low CP players have some very good set, before they farm the BiS ones.
It's stronger than any non-trial PvE set in terms of stat density. If you can sustain a long fight with it, it will replace every other set. There is no set that comes even remotely close to it in terms of power.
Cough... Relequen (non trial you say)... You don't need stats density, final result is what matters.
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So you do agree that trial sets are better. Then it is not OP since there are better options. Why would you like to nerf NMA then? Because it doesn't fit your vision of build options? You can't stand that there will be good nonelite set available for everyone?
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...or maybe you are upset because you have stocks of spell strategist gear for sell which will have competition now? Don't worry, Spell Strategist + NMA + Balrogh will be still pretty nice combo.Edited by Mayrael on September 20, 2019 11:39AM"We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.3 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »As for PvE... nah, there are better options. It might however let low CP players have some very good set, before they farm the BiS ones.
It's stronger than any non-trial PvE set in terms of stat density. If you can sustain a long fight with it, it will replace every other set. There is no set that comes even remotely close to it in terms of power.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. It basically has only 4 treaits since Penetration is useless in well optimized PvE trial group.0
