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Animation cancelling isn't intended after all
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Conduit0✭✭✭✭✭
✭Canned_Apples wrote: »"It was unintended at the time, but now it's intended"
Only reason why it's now "intended" is because they couldn't find a fix for it soon enough, and now it's become and integral part of the game that they can't (even if they could.)
This is outright wrong, if the devs had decided they didn't want weaving they could have easily fixed it by simply putting light attacks on the same global cooldown as abilities.
Also something being unintended doesn't make it bad, gamers are constantly coming up with new and creative ways to use game mechanics that developers never thought of. There is even a industry term for it, "Emergent Gameply" and its something that developers routinely encourage because it adds extra layers of depth to gameplay.4 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That's a badly worded quote from someone who is not a developer. There is no possible way that animation canceling could exist in this game if the developers had not explicitly coded it themselves!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Old news. Here’s a 2015 ESO live, where Wrobel acknowledged they "are embracing it. It's a part of the game, and we want people to be doing it". His words.
Could he say anything else?
If they said "we don't know how to fix it" -- which may be the truth, after all it was initially unintended -- they'd be the laughing stock of the industry.
Turning bugs into features is one of the oldest ways to save face.
Same with mount speed. Too late to change now -- oops. Actually no. That's finally gonna get fixed. Not to what was initially intended but what won't make people cry so much they'd quit.Edited by Dusk_Coven on September 19, 2019 5:18AM1 -
xeha_arwen11✭✭✭✭It's always been SUPER obvious it wasn't intended. It's not classified as an exploit because ZOS literally can't figure out how to get rid of it or fix it, so they decided to allow people to take advantage of it even though it puts people with latency at a huge disadvantage, and it messes with the visuals and animations people worked very hard to create.
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MaleAmazon✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS literally can't figure out how to get rid of it or fix it
Yes they can. Stop spreading lies please.2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
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Wait what now? You just can't blurt stuff out like that without a spoiler warning.
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
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Wait...
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You play Trivial Pursuit? I haven't played since I lost most of the pie pieces"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Animation cancering is the core of the problem.
Thats why zos run from nerfing one beta just to buff other.
Lots of "pro" players will jump on me now, but in help kills things faster and make combat more fluid. And put a gap between "pro" players and casuals.
BS, totaly bull snits.
In other games i dont need animation cancer to kill things faster, and its prety visible if you are prayer above mid lvl and unexpuruenced one.
As long as we have this snit in game, we will see changes every 2-3 months, and will wonder WHY.
Do i use it, i do. Do i like it, i dont.
But the naked truth is, that devs are blind like new born kittens and already give up. Cant fix it even if they want.
So we have what we have.6 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »Your title is misleading. It was unintended at the time, but is now a accepted game mechanic. You could say that it was originally unintended, but saying it's unintended after all isn't really a fair assessment.
but is now a accepted game ...
because they cant remove it, so they accept it.
they, not me.
i belive big part of the community will gladly get rid of it4 -
Muskrap✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Animation cancering is the core of the problem.
Thats why zos run from nerfing one beta just to buff other.
Lots of "pro" players will jump on me now, but in help kills things faster and make combat more fluid. And put a gap between "pro" players and casuals.
BS, totaly bull snits.
In other games i dont need animation cancer to kill things faster, and its prety visible if you are prayer above mid lvl and unexpuruenced one.
As long as we have this snit in game, we will see changes every 2-3 months, and will wonder WHY.
Do i use it, i do. Do i like it, i dont.
But the naked truth is, that devs are blind like new born kittens and already give up. Cant fix it even if they want.
So we have what we have.
Sounds like youre salty you can't do it. Regardless its here to stay. They keep doing balance changes with light attacks in mind and it allows this game to have a faster high paced combat vs games that just run on a CD timer. And since when is raising the skill floor a good thing. Do you actually think you deserve to perform better even though your skill hasnt progressed?5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »from when? seems to be pretty old if they asking for short term buff tracking (which has been about for awhile now) plus ZOS have never said it was an intended part of combat rather a by product of the combat system itself, the only ppl as far as it can see complaining it is an exploit are those that die alot in PvP because of it
July 2014 interview with Paul Sage. So, yeah, that's been a minute.Edited by starkerealm on September 19, 2019 7:21AM0 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Animation cancering is the core of the problem.
Thats why zos run from nerfing one beta just to buff other.
Lots of "pro" players will jump on me now, but in help kills things faster and make combat more fluid. And put a gap between "pro" players and casuals.
BS, totaly bull snits.
In other games i dont need animation cancer to kill things faster, and its prety visible if you are prayer above mid lvl and unexpuruenced one.
As long as we have this snit in game, we will see changes every 2-3 months, and will wonder WHY.
Do i use it, i do. Do i like it, i dont.
But the naked truth is, that devs are blind like new born kittens and already give up. Cant fix it even if they want.
So we have what we have.
Agree 100%
When a game has a core broken mechanic you can't expect it to be good by fixing other stuff.
This anime cancel abomination should be fixed once and for all, unless devs can't.6 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.Edited by Nyladreas on September 19, 2019 7:43AM3 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....6 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
As if no other game can be macroed
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
Didnt want to mention the reason. You did. So i have nothing more to hold on.
Watch ANY of "end game elite" guides and you may notice they have not a single mistake in rotation/not one.
Even when they switch from class to class.
I know what practice mean. I also know what hand memory mean. And i also know that hand memory can trick you when you switch from one class to another (atleast the first few minutes)
Noticed it both in pvp and pve videos (almost all of them) ppl do no mistake.
Even when they talk with wievers or watch the second monitor, they rotation execute is perfect all the time.
We are humans, we are not perfect...
Just alow the macros like in other games or disable them at all.
Macros are forbiden in EsO but you can still use them if you pay 150$ for mouse ?
I can see why all this macro users and scripters buzzing like a kicked hive every time someone mention removal of A/C
Because without it they are just regular fragsEdited by Runkorko on September 19, 2019 9:47AM2 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What does it matter if it's in the game, OP? How does it impact you directly by being in the game?
Is this just a rant because you can't do it or do you legitimately have a reason that it should be removed, and if so what is that reason?0 -
Aurie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
You don't need macros or a fancy mouse to weave or cancel.4 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭What does it matter if it's in the game, OP? How does it impact you directly by being in the game?
Is this just a rant because you can't do it or do you legitimately have a reason that it should be removed, and if so what is that reason?- Animation cancelling / LA weaving impact server performance a lot as many queries are sent in a short time,
- Animation cancelling / LA weaving impact dps as it set a dps threshold for players in guilds,
- Animation cancelling / LA weaving make harder dungeons and trials since others can pull much more dps,
- Animation cancelling / LA weaving is a bug and every bug should be fixed and not turned into a feature
- Animation cancelling / LA weaving cancel game animations and make the player moving/acting in a wierd way (breakdance without the cool moves)
- Animation cancelling / LA weaving let ZOS not make any efforts into skill animation (Stone fist example)
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
You don't need macros or a fancy mouse to weave or cancel.
You cant weave or cancel with 300 ping. Even bar swap with such ping its a dps loss/ in pve atleast
And even then macro and scripts make it faster.
Keep it posible to be manualy cnaseled but only if find a way to get rid of scripters, and disable mouse macros.Edited by Runkorko on September 19, 2019 10:20AM0 -
ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
Didnt want to mention the reason. You did. So i have nothing more to hold on.
Watch ANY of "end game elite" guides and you may notice they have not a single mistake in rotation/not one.
Even when they switch from class to class.
I know what practice mean. I also know what hand memory mean. And i also know that hand memory can trick you when you switch from one class to another (atleast the first few minutes)
Noticed it both in pvp and pve videos (almost all of them) ppl do no mistake.
Even when they talk with wievers or watch the second monitor, they rotation execute is perfect all the time.
We are humans, we are not perfect...
Just alow the macros like in other games or disable them at all.
Macros are forbiden in EsO but you can still use them if you pay 150$ for mouse ?
I can see why all this macro users and scripters buzzing like a kicked hive every time someone mention removal of A/C
Because without it they are just regular frags
Some of the creators of those tools actually hate the mechanic, and the reason they made those tools was so that they could enjoy end game content without having to deal with a janky cancerous bug mechanic, and their friends wouldn't quit within an hour of being told about this "mechanic".
Trust me, I would know.2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
Didnt want to mention the reason. You did. So i have nothing more to hold on.
Watch ANY of "end game elite" guides and you may notice they have not a single mistake in rotation/not one.
Even when they switch from class to class.
I know what practice mean. I also know what hand memory mean. And i also know that hand memory can trick you when you switch from one class to another (atleast the first few minutes)
Noticed it both in pvp and pve videos (almost all of them) ppl do no mistake.
Even when they talk with wievers or watch the second monitor, they rotation execute is perfect all the time.
We are humans, we are not perfect...
Just alow the macros like in other games or disable them at all.
Macros are forbiden in EsO but you can still use them if you pay 150$ for mouse ?
I can see why all this macro users and scripters buzzing like a kicked hive every time someone mention removal of A/C
Because without it they are just regular frags
Some of the creators of those tools actually hate the mechanic, and the reason they made those tools was so that they could enjoy end game content without having to deal with a janky cancerous bug mechanic, and their friends wouldn't quit within an hour of being told about this "mechanic".
Trust me, I would know.
Which wont be needed if macros are alowed like in wow, or totaly removed from game.
You dont think?0 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
Didnt want to mention the reason. You did. So i have nothing more to hold on.
Watch ANY of "end game elite" guides and you may notice they have not a single mistake in rotation/not one.
Even when they switch from class to class.
I know what practice mean. I also know what hand memory mean. And i also know that hand memory can trick you when you switch from one class to another (atleast the first few minutes)
Noticed it both in pvp and pve videos (almost all of them) ppl do no mistake.
Even when they talk with wievers or watch the second monitor, they rotation execute is perfect all the time.
We are humans, we are not perfect...
Just alow the macros like in other games or disable them at all.
Macros are forbiden in EsO but you can still use them if you pay 150$ for mouse ?
I can see why all this macro users and scripters buzzing like a kicked hive every time someone mention removal of A/C
Because without it they are just regular frags
Some of the creators of those tools actually hate the mechanic, and the reason they made those tools was so that they could enjoy end game content without having to deal with a janky cancerous bug mechanic, and their friends wouldn't quit within an hour of being told about this "mechanic".
Trust me, I would know.
Which wont be needed if macros are alowed like in wow, or totaly removed from game.
You dont think?
They should just fix this bug and remove it completely.
Animation cancelling prevent new players from enjoying this game as they keep being frustrated by this buggy mechanic.
How many time i saw threads of players unable to pull 30k dps despite having the same gear, skill and CP allocation as Alcast
for example ?
Many new players (new customers then) left because of this.
You should keep in mind that new players will always pay more for ESO+, chapters, DLC and cosmetics than old players doing only cyrodiil pvp that are stuck with the base game since 2014.3 -
Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Well intended or not I would still love a GCD on light and heavy attacks and made them more powerful but harder to aim at your target. That would be a an equal skillgap.
Not now when you have half of people using scripts and macros that automatically combine a skill use with weaving and anim cancel with a single button press.
And no, don't even try to convince me that macros aren't a thing or that they aren't reliable. I've seen them work myself and the actual apps with my own eyes. All you need is very basic programming knowledge.
Combine them with a mouse like razer Naga that has 12 buttons on the side and you can effectively use multiple macro setups, so the more complicated sequences won't limit you in unusable situations.
Macros for LA weaving are still widely used.
Mouses like logitech, razer that comes with a tool let you LA+skill.
Other addons (won't say the name) let you do more complicated stuff.
There are even someone who shared a script that works even if you don't have those mouses (just google "github LA weaving eso").
People say weaving helps making a gap between skilled and noobs, it doesn't...
It just gives an advantage to who afford expensive mouses with programmable buttons or good IT knowledge.
I don't like a game where people are classified and given unjustified advantage over others.
This is just a game after all....
Didnt want to mention the reason. You did. So i have nothing more to hold on.
Watch ANY of "end game elite" guides and you may notice they have not a single mistake in rotation/not one.
Even when they switch from class to class.
I know what practice mean. I also know what hand memory mean. And i also know that hand memory can trick you when you switch from one class to another (atleast the first few minutes)
Noticed it both in pvp and pve videos (almost all of them) ppl do no mistake.
Even when they talk with wievers or watch the second monitor, they rotation execute is perfect all the time.
We are humans, we are not perfect...
Just alow the macros like in other games or disable them at all.
Macros are forbiden in EsO but you can still use them if you pay 150$ for mouse ?
I can see why all this macro users and scripters buzzing like a kicked hive every time someone mention removal of A/C
Because without it they are just regular frags
Everyone knows. Even zos.Old Rungar always gives what's needed.
Current ideas for ESO improvement
Rungar's Mystical Emporium of Ideas junkyard2 -
Vanos444✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Animation cancelling was never implemented in the game at all. It was know by the players after beta phase or during PvP events.
So, thats the core problem. Removing it won't solve it but will make even worse. They tried it on Morrowind and it failed. They lost many subscribers and players for their folly. But that's a lesson learnt for them.
Thus, it remains and no solutions can fix this problem. If you don't like it, then role a healer/ tank.1 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Let me get this straight.
Light attack weaving means people macro > get rid of weaving
If weaving weren't a thing, would those using macros still use macros? Yes... why? because there would still be a need to rotate skills as closely in succession as now. Whereas now we 'punctuate' our skills with a light attack (a useful tock on your ticks), you'd instead have people macro-ing to get those skills as close to one another as possible seeing a rotations would be longer and more complex. People don't use macros because of weaving, they use macros just because they can or because they want to -- if they're justifying their actions now by stating it as a stance against weaving, or to help out new comers, or whatever, that's just BS. They simply can't do without. But that's another discussion.
Light attack weaving has negative impact on high latency players > get rid of weaving
I play on PC with 200ms-250ms and the occasional 400ms spike. I also play on Xbox with consistent 52ms ping (reported in dashboard). I can weave just fine on PC, input lag on console makes it harder, even with lower ping. Question is then rather is it the hardware, the user, or the latency where the problem lies? 300ms is 1/3 of a second, that's 1/3 of a GCD. you can press 3 buttons in that to send message upstream and receive response -- you only need to press 2, ergo even 500ms ping is enough to weave; you just have to slow down. The difference between a low latency player and a high latency one is the length of time they wait between button/key presses. Lower latency means you can click/press sooner, but have longer to wait before the GCD is over.
Light attack weaving increases dps > get rid of weaving
What? Free DPS, when sustain is so low? Ok... sounds like e-peen envy.
Light attack weaving makes people quit the game > get rid of weaving
Unfortunately this can only be supported by anecdotal evidence in the 3rd person.
'I know a guy who...'
'I have a friends who...'
At the same time, I know people, lol, who at first were against it, but once they learnt how, advocate and teach others how. I belong to this group also :wink
Light attack weaving causes server lag > get rid of weaving
There is to date no evidence to support this. If some appears, the validity of the statement can be scrutinised. Until then, its a moot point.
Light attack weaving looks ugly > get rid of weaving
I work with a few people I'd say the same about (some smell bad too). But my personal grievances have no place in a discussion about their place in in the workforce or society...
Light attack weaving requires no skill > get rid of weaving
And yet here we are at the nth discussion on this where people complain about either an inability to weave, or the many other excuses.Edited by mairwen85 on September 19, 2019 11:06AM8
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