Players: Hey ZOS, can we get a stam whip?

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Kadoin wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Because whip is powerful and so is executioner. Have you every played a hybrid DK in PvP? Imagine that power, except no drawbacks. Whip damage would have to be toned down to account for the execute, but then there is mag DK...

Are you serious... are you defending the rock throwing as a okay spammable? What game you playing bruh?

Are you serious? Where did I say that? I just said as long as stam DK has access to an execute, stam whip is a bad idea.

The only way it would happen is if it were significantly toned down and/or did not synergize with off balance like flame lash does. Stam DK has access to executes through weapon skill lines and mag DK has no access to one through weapon lines or the class. That's the only thing that makes whip balanced, other than it losing its stun on powerlash and the cd.

If an execute gets added to mag, or stam DK gains whip, then one of those two things going to need to be toned down.

Mag DKs get utility from almost every DK skill in the three trees. Why you trying to pick a fight between Stam and Mag Dks.

Go start your own thread asking for an execute for your Mag DK.

This thread is about how dumb the rock throwing is as a Stam DK spammable.

Hey now you can be as cool as Jedi on SWTOR. Throwing rocks. 😂

I really don't have a problem with Stonefist, per se. Imo, the animation looks pretty dumb, but I can deal with animations I don't like. The problem is the stun stacking. In PvP, there's no way that you're hitting someone 5 times in a row with the same skill (for a proc). If you are, then you're not really getting any kills anyway.

I agree that the stamina DK's identity feels tied to poison. Having a green poison whip would be SO much more fun (and better looking) than chunking boring rocks.

What are we doing to do? Pour a little poison on a pebble and hope it makes it into the enemy's drink? Or straight into their mouth? What? Are we seriously making a rock-throwing ability a spam ability? LOL.

From the impression I got from people's responses, a stamina whip would have to work differently than the magicka whip so it wouldn't be over-powered or whatnot. But a green stamina whip would indeed be awesome. There's no denying that!!

Maybe they could change it to throwing mini-meat bags and do disease damage? It is the "Earthen Heart" skill line though, so it does make sense to be a rock.

I actually like the choice in general. Ranged spammables > melee spammables.

Just wanna chime in on this as an avid Stam DK player or at-least when I still actively played I laid it out pretty simple. The reason why I'm against Stam Whip is because it would be too powerful and would then have to result in nerfing everything else to compensate for that one skill.

I've stated the best option for us Stam DKs is opening up more utility skills to Stamina while giving us passives that fill us out better (passives back in 2016 were regarding battle roar n helping hands were really good) and changing some useless passives like the block one would be better. Example Keep block the same way but add after holding block for 2s increase Wep/Spell dmg by X for 10 seconds. This is because ZOS wants to keep this we gotta block mentality so this would fit that ideology.
Wep/Spell increase would benefit skills that are self healing proving to be a benefit to PvP/PvE damage wise & PvP/PvE self survive wise.

They need to remove Stone fist imo and change it entirely, make the other version of fossilize,,FoO, and talons Stamina. #1
Fossilizes morph I think its petrify should cause targets affected to be off-balance to proc extra damage from CP/ in general.
I could literally go on tbh imma end it here.

Well let's imagine we did get a poison whip: how do you implement it with the current two morphs? Both morphs of lava whip enjoy decent usage.

Do you remove one morph? Which one? Take your pick, a large group of people will be annoyed either way. Do you combine morphs? Now we run into a situation where the morph is either over or undermined because it's trying to do too much.

My guess is ZOS likes how the morphs of lava whip function at the moment and do not think it is worth while to add it to the toolkit. If we did have a stam whip then we ask, what is the difference between stamdk and mDk? Is it color? One uses weapon skills and one uses class skills more? This just seems homogenizing to me.

The_Lex wrote: »

I really don't have a problem with Stonefist, per se. Imo, the animation looks pretty dumb, but I can deal with animations I don't like. The problem is the stun stacking. In PvP, there's no way that you're hitting someone 5 times in a row with the same skill (for a proc). If you are, then you're not really getting any kills anyway.

I'm on console, so I can't test it, but the notes read as though it takes 6 Stonefists to stun, not 5, and presumably the target must not be CC immune when hit with the 6th Stonefist.

I like the rock part of DK's theme, and I've been using Stonefist this last patch as a replacement for Fossilize and as a way to proc 7th Legion. It won't serve either of those purposes now, the latter not being a major concern, but this consummatory stun function does not entice me to use this skill over the more expensive Fossilize, or other non-DK sources of stun.

However, the damage amplification aspect of these Stonefist stacks is interesting and encouraging. I look forward to results from those who test, but I sort of feel as though doing away with the stun altogether and improving this damage amplification aspect will make the skill more enticing to use for many StamDKs.

Urzigurumash wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

I really don't have a problem with Stonefist, per se. Imo, the animation looks pretty dumb, but I can deal with animations I don't like. The problem is the stun stacking. In PvP, there's no way that you're hitting someone 5 times in a row with the same skill (for a proc). If you are, then you're not really getting any kills anyway.

I'm on console, so I can't test it, but the notes read as though it takes 6 Stonefists to stun, not 5, and presumably the target must not be CC immune when hit with the 6th Stonefist.

I like the rock part of DK's theme, and I've been using Stonefist this last patch as a replacement for Fossilize and as a way to proc 7th Legion. It won't serve either of those purposes now, the latter not being a major concern, but this consummatory stun function does not entice me to use this skill over the more expensive Fossilize, or other non-DK sources of stun.

However, the damage amplification aspect of these Stonefist stacks is interesting and encouraging. I look forward to results from those who test, but I sort of feel as though doing away with the stun altogether and improving this damage amplification aspect will make the skill more enticing to use for many StamDKs.

I only meant that you have to get through 5 to get to the stun (6th). Sorry for not being clearer.

Either way, I think that if I were to use it as a spammable, it wouldn't be for the stun. I simply can't see hitting the same player 6 times with the same skill.

I haven't tested it in PvE but I'm curious how it works on a parse.