Direction? There sure ain't any.

Nerf... buff... nerf... buff... nerf... buff...

All of this feels like someone rolls a d20 - and based on the number rolled, the phase of the moon, and the alignment of the outer planets, decides which classes/abilities to destroy in the next patch.

Try questioning your ability to know their direction. What if I told you buffing dots wasnt the direction, but making them perform equally and this patch number change is just some tweaking, not direction to make dots bad.

You mention a good point. The current direction is clearly to lower overall damage output. Fair enough. The question is, what changed between now and last update when overall dps went up arguably more than people were expecting only to be blasted into oblivion a couple months later?

This very clearly shows a lack of direction. If the dev team doesn't know how they want the players to play, how are we supposed to know? The lack of knowing the general game direction gets extremely frustrating for players.

I believe the phrase people are looking for is

“Used a sledgehammer to crack a nut”

Its the latest performance tweaks to align skills with server resource consumption. The more CPU cycles a skill costs the servers the more player resource costs are incurred.

Direct damage skills with few effects use less CPU cycles, so they stay the same. Area affecting skills with special bonuses and additional calculations cost more to compute, so therefore they should cost a lot more to reduce the server load.

Rejoice in your lag free gaming!

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

With the changes in the last two patches I am honestly not sure what the developers are trying to do. Scale breaker had buffs to single target DoTs at the expense of around 30% of AoE DoTs. Then this patch, either due to a lack of foresight or a knee-jerk reaction to the community reception, reduced single target DoTs even more than they were buffed previously. I'm just going to list some examples from the night blade class as that is my most played class. I will list the changes from scale breaker followed by the changes currently on the pts.

Shade: - 9% - 15% (and lost the 20% on the aoe attack)
Twisting path: - 14% - 33%
Wall of Elements: - 33% - 32%
Twin slashes : +37% - 63% (used as a stand in for cripple due to cripple receiving a buff to the initial damage)

As you can see we are now at lower damage than pre scalebreaker with cleave damage in particular taking a huge hit. While this is a good way to lower damage in pve, it was not a goal that we were told. Personally I think they should have taken smaller steps to balance DoTs maybe reducing them by a smaller amount until they find the correct balance. Alternatively, since there was a large outcry in the pvp community, they could have added some DoT resistance to medium armor or introduced a new pvp set that reduces DoT damage. Overall I hope the developers see that they made a mistake and make the necessary changes.

I commend you on your efforts to see that.

Now if players only saw how long they been doing this it might shock you. I don't play anymore for that reason of pattern and trends they follow. But seems like they create it to fix it - don't believe me ?

Go back to 2016,2017 and compare a few its kinda shocking. Imagine creating a system of similar fixes all while selling DLC's in different lore gear and zones. 😂

Once you take a step back it becomes clear. Don't get caught up in the hype cause your blinded by it.


2019's "Best Topic" ! 🏅

The direction the game is going sits on a metal folding chair in a darkened room, hands cuffed to a bare metal table in front of it. A single overhead lamp shines down on the scene, a lonely cone of illumination that also deepens the gloom outside its bounds. The sound of someone moving can be heard, circling slowly outside this cone of light. Finally, a thick manila file folder slams onto the table, startling the direction the game is going.

DETECTIVE: Where were you? That night?

THE DIRECTION THE GAME IS GOING: {{remains defiantly silent}}

DETECTIVE: Hey! I’m talking to you! I’m questioning you! Admit it - you were there!

And so it goes for hours, as he continues to question the direction the game is going.

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

I dont question the direction, I question the lack of direction. Changing numbers, meh, who really cares. *Direction* would be directing resources towards complete system replacement/redesigns. This is just changing numbers to keep an old game fresh.

Game lags like crazy, and PVP feels like complete *** with even a tiny bit of latency due to dependency on weapon swaps and weaving. Events are basically just grind-fests except I usually enjoy MMO grinds, but these are mostly spent in loading screens as you go from zone to zone and hope you dont get the infinite loadingscreen glitch. Mounting and mounted riding feels clunky and is highly prone to latency issues.

But na, they nerfed some AOE and DOT ***. You do slightly less damage now than you did last update where everyone was going insane DPS. Game ruined I guess... /shrug

In what world is a 20-30% decrease slightly less?

The game has performance issues, but most of the content is still playable and enjoyable most of the time. Does it need improvement? Yeah it does, and should be a priority but these changes are a big deal too. There are tonnes of trial groups that struggle to complete HM Craglorns already, these changes will put this content completely out of reach for them; never mind the newer dlc trials. These changes are really bad for the PVE trial community and more so the manner in which they are done i.e. extreme blanket nerfs, just frustrates people.

If people haven't figured it out, this is going to be a massive disaster if it goes live. There are a lot of players that don't frequent the forums or read PTS notes. They are especially going to be shocked by these changes.

More importantly, as many well known streamers are testing these changes they are even more of a disaster than the current patch note would indicate. Some of them are very upset with the changes after testing (and that is putting it mildly, their actual comments would be deleted from these forums). Some are more diplomatic but the phrase was, "I thought ZoS had a target they were shooting for with this audit. How do you overshoot that target by 50%? I just don't understand how you can be so far off if you had a plan that you were working towards." I didn't have the heart to post in this well known ESO community member and streamers chat that the issue is ZoS doesn't have any plan. They are making it up as they go along and destroying a really good MMO in the process.

This is going to be bad. Really bad. And I have a feeling ZoS is going to see a marked decline in the player base if they actually let such out of control changes make it to live.

U22 pulled out the knife. U23 opened a big wound in a lot of players and U24 as it stands right now, is going to rub salt into that wound. A lot of people are already at the end of their rope that ZoS can't seem to keep swinging from extreme to extreme every three months. This is NOT how you run an MMO. It really does make them look amateurish and, sorry to say, incompetent.

I hope someone is reading these forums and reviewing the video feedback from prominent streamers and comes to the realization they are making a huge mistake with the skill changes this patch. On the patch notes stream they claim to listen to feedback. If true, then someone should realize they need to back off this and back off fast. If not, then these will go live and, I firmly believe, it will be the start of the exodus. Seen this shark jumping event in one to many MMOs to not recognize we are at this point. In addition, they decide to do this with the launch of WoW Classic... not a smart move in my opinion.

But, this is Bethesda. The only time the wake up, like with Fallout 76, is AFTER the damage is caused that they could have prevented.

If I have heard correctly, ZoS is working on a new MMO. Wouldn't be a good idea to trash your current one and think it will help with the launch of the new one.

Red_Feather wrote: »

Wayshuba wrote: »

If I have heard correctly, ZoS is working on a new MMO. Wouldn't be a good idea to trash your current one and think it will help with the launch of the new one.

I don't think they are. Before the commander keen mobile game people heard about another game being worked on an assumed it was another mmo but that was months ago.

ZoS currently has job openings for working on their next AAA game. Since they deal with online titles, there has to be something in the pipeline.

I love eso it is a great game but I’ve already informed my guild leaders that I maybe quoting game for a while if the patch goes live close to how it is now this is the worst patch they have done. I’ve been playing this game for a long time.

Wayshuba wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

Wayshuba wrote: »

If I have heard correctly, ZoS is working on a new MMO. Wouldn't be a good idea to trash your current one and think it will help with the launch of the new one.

I don't think they are. Before the commander keen mobile game people heard about another game being worked on an assumed it was another mmo but that was months ago.

ZoS currently has job openings for working on their next AAA game. Since they deal with online titles, there has to be something in the pipeline.

I'm guessing it's probably going to fail as hard as Fallout 76.