In IC? It's probably because of the event. Your DPS shouldnt be an issue in a group. The PVE enemies are WB level at most, and players aren't killed with the same DPS tactics.

Otherwise, some of the basics of grouping up in PVP:
1. Stay on Crown. Someone in group is the leader, signified by the Crown symbol. Stay as close to them as possible. Generally, they are one of the more experienced PVPers in the group, the majority of your group will stick near them, and frankly, if you aren't with the group there's not much point to being in the group.

2. Equip at least one skill that helps your group members. Groups in PVP go by "strength in numbers", and the better groups support each other. If you equip anything that helps your group, like Purge, Magelight, a defensive skill or buff that benefits more than yourself, you'll be doing better than a lot of PUGs.

3. Fight within your group. Related to number 1, you want to fight with your group nearby for protection and because your damage together is far greater than yours alone. Unless you are certain you can kill that one lone guy peeling away on your own, don't chase. Also, counterintuitively, don't run away from a fight you are sure your group will lose. There's something awkward about being the last one alive when your group wiped after a good fight - unless you are putting up a Cyrodiil red camp, its usually better to die with the group and then respawn with the group.

4. Don't be super squishy. Do hold block if you are just standing around. There's a gear set called Vicious Death that sets off a chain reaction of damage to other nearby players if one player gets killed. Not only does holding block, staying alert, and using detect pots or skills help keep you alive if your group gets bombed, you don't want to be the squishy player who gets targeted to start off the Vicious Death bomb.

Advice specific to Cyrodiil: Bring some siege equipment. Oil pots and ballistas are the bread and butter of groups that attack and defend keeps. Ballistas for doors/walls. Oil Pots for defense. If someone else sets down siege weapons, do not use it. Many experienced PVPers will run multiple siege weapons on cooldown and it depends on the player as to whether or not they get grumpy about getting on their siege.

Hope that helps!

Thogard wrote: »

It’s rough out there for new PvPers.

Most of the zone chat generals that invite people from zone chat tend to be really really bad at pvp. They have been playing a long time but haven’t learned how to do so well, so they haven’t managed to establish a consistent group or be invited to a more exclusive group yet. These people tend to blame their group for their own failures.

Best way to learn PvP is the BGs. The MMR system is pretty decent at putting you up against similarly experienced players, and you won’t have the massive egos of PvP failures trying to blame you for their own shortcomings.

I agree about learning in BGs. I was surprised to find out my cyrodiil specs work well in BGs and vice versa. If something’s good it’s good, and in too large a group it’s hard to tell what’s good.

Only thing I disagree about is talking about group generals. They don’t have to be personally good at dueling or whatever to be good at leading, it’s a different skill set. Our raid leader gets called out all the time to duel and he knows he’d probably lose to the people challenging him, but he’s great at leading raids regardless and we play better when he’s leading making him indispensable to the group.

A DPS complaint doesn’t make sense, but straying away from the crown or choosing your own targets will irk them. There’s no assist in this game and the closest you’ll get is attacking in the same direction as a group. People who choose their own targets make the group weaker since they’re soaking up healing so another mouth to feed, and not contributing to killing the group’s targets.

If 12 people are hitting the same target it should be unhealable, 12 people hitting different targets is very easy to heal through. People not dying usually means the dps or DD are off in la la land doing their own thing.

A good example too is we give almost everyone a chance to play with us. This leads to lots of calls of being a Zerg or whatever, but it’s important for the longevity of a pvp guild. Then if people aren’t listening or doing their own thing we do a purge, are are always stronger right after a purge. Someone being there pressing buttons alone doesn’t make the group stronger, teamwork does.

DrFuzzyFish wrote: »

So I've been trying to give PVP a go, I'm not really a competitive player so I don't tend to try all that hard or get annoyed WHEN I die, but damn it doesn't really feel easily accessible especially solo, so I tried to group up which is a struggle itself but then they tend to be.. shall we say "dictatorial", like why are you moaning about my dps? I don't even know what means. It's surprisingly been kinda fun tho just seems a little psychotic lol, Is it always like this or is it because of the ongoing event? Or am I just meeting people having a bad day?

Also is cyrodiil always empty? Feels like I'm just riding around with nothing to do.

I've never once heard a PvPer ask about DPS, that's a PvE term. I have seen it nagged to death in Trials etc though which seem are way more fickle crowd.

In terms of how quiet it is, which campaign are you in? As that makes a huge difference. LFG is good and all but get into a PvP guild and talk with folks about tactics, coordinated pushes etc its a game changer.

What platform / region?

Complaints about DPS in PvP.

INB4 "Toxic PvP"

So dps (just learnt what it means lol) is not even that important but dealing high damage is, what's considered a good amount and can I find out how much I'm doing or is it just trial by error?

24!? well damn, that sounds like fun, 23 other people to keep me alive lol.

It sounds like maybe my group leader might have been a new to pvp as well makes sense actually seeing as it was the under level 50 war but he/she was still a tool.

Thanks for the advice all, will keep practicing

DrFuzzyFish wrote: »

So dps (just learnt what it means lol) is not even that important but dealing high damage is, what's considered a good amount and can I find out how much I'm doing or is it just trial by error?

24!? well damn, that sounds like fun, 23 other people to keep me alive lol.

It sounds like maybe my group leader might have been a new to pvp as well makes sense actually seeing as it was the under level 50 war but he/she was still a tool.

Thanks for the advice all, will keep practicing

I think the 24 comment was sarcasm. The game favors larger groups over smaller by a lot, but getting a bigger group is not the best way to learn to play. Larger groups cover a multitude of weaknesses and personal mistakes. Solo versus small scale versus organized group also require different skill sets.

So the under 50 comment explains the impression Cyrodiil is empty; it's rarely high pop. But people there are not necessarily all noobs. some people level characters in pvp and others are experienced but use the lowbie campaign to feed their egos.