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If you want us to play in Imperial City, you need to disable the gankers camping outside the bases
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✭If they are up on the platform they are small people in real life looking for an ego boost to make them feel better.
If they are below the platform, well they are playing the game. You will die in PvP.5 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Players need to stop beating each other up over the real issue which is ZOS needs to fix their code so that you have immunity going through doors and the subsequent loading screen. You should not be able to be killed till you have full control of your character. It would also seem that the pull suppression they added isn't working right allowing enemy players on platforms.
@ZOS_BrianWheelerEdited by TequilaFire on September 13, 2019 2:32PM9 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes but the rest of the year there aren't nearly as many lambs coming to the slaughter, this is like Christmas for PVPers. I can't blame them although it does suck when you get slammed while zoning. There should at least be a 5 or 10 second pause before you can kill someone or be killed after zoning in.Edited by Veinblood1965 on September 13, 2019 2:39PM0 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭An open letter to platform griefers:
I am exceptionally bad at PvP. Especially on my magden. She's my strongest and most favorite toon in PvE so I prefer to play her, especially in IC since it's a PvPvE zone and she can just melt things on the PvE side of things.
I also have a few PvP-only toons who wear PvP gear but also only play in Cyro. I'm too lazy to swap gear between toons and can't be arsed to get proper gear for my magden, so she goes into the sewers kitted in pure PvE gear. Tantalizingly terrible, right?
And I'm usually carrying at least 1k tel var for the 3x multiplier.
Lastly, I'm extraordinarily easy to rile up. I take things personally. I like to tell myself that people who beat me using strategies I'm not familiar with (NB porting to their shade, for example) are cheating, instead of considering that it might just be the fact that I'm down there in a full PvE setup with no real PvP training. Nah, everyone who can beat me is CHEATING, which is like 90% of the IC population.
Whatever. CHEATERS.
I'm very prone to PvP-related hissy fits.
So, what would you rather do with this player?
1. Kill her before she has the chance to load in and fight back, or
2. Stalk her for a bit as she runs in a very predictable loops around the sewers. Attack. Watch her burn her ulti (it's permafrost., by the way) and resources as she mashes buttons, desperately trying to hurt you while healing herself. It won't take long. Nuke her once she's done. Laugh at her Flawless Conqueror title; fat lot of good that'll do you here (noted only because it DOES kind of embarrass me to be steamrolled so easily given that accomplishment, though I know PvE capabilities aren't related to PvP capabilities. It'd be like someone with the Emperor title having serious trouble in Fungal Grotto or something). Walk away with your pockets a little heavier and with the knowledge that you probably just caused someone to throw a small tempter tantrum.
Where is the HONOR in choice #1; where is the GLORY?? Where's the FUN when you can do far more in terms of making someone mad by choosing option #2???
Kindest of regards,
A PvE-er in a PvP zone
But seriously, stop griefing. Ganking isn't griefing. Hiding near the alliance base and LoS-ing players as they come out isn't griefing. EXPLOITING a "feature" that has nothing to do with PvP playstyles and everything to do with faulty game design is GRIEFING.
"lEaRn tO pLaY" oh please just shut up; you griefers KNOW that camping locations where you shouldn't technically be supposed to access isn't a l2p issue. Give me a freaking break.
Edited by SidraWillowsky on September 13, 2019 3:43PM8 -
vivisectvib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you insist (and apparently you do, as this is not the first time) on making Cyrodiil/Imperial City mandatory during events
I agree camp gankers are lame and need to be addressed.. but you're 100% wrong with this comment. Cyro/IC is not mandatory for this event. There are two PvE dungeons where you can get those exact same two event tickets during this event.1 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
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Quick reality check:As a PvPer who has also PvE’d at a much higher level then most proclaimed PvErs, I definitely would not agree that PvErs spend the most money on the game.
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Unless they’re a PvE housing specialist, I haven’t experienced PvErs spend anywhere close to the amount of time/money on a house compared to PvPers. Dedicated PvPers are the tier of player that will spend millions of gold and hundreds of dollars worth of crowns (...)
How many regular PvPers exist? A few hundred, maybe around a thousand at most, if we're being optimistic about it?
And how many PvE players does ESO have? Millions.
Same exact thing happened during the 5th anniversary event, with "elite PvPers" setting up siege in quest giver locations.If they are up on the platform they are small people in real life looking for an ego boost to make them feel better.
Or instead of siege, they instead used elaborate trap setups that wouldn't be out of place in a certain series of Tecmo games.
But apparently, ZOS doesn't give a single damn about it, because that STILL HAS NOT BEEN FIXED, even after everyone and their dog complained about it.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
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Quick reality check:As a PvPer who has also PvE’d at a much higher level then most proclaimed PvErs, I definitely would not agree that PvErs spend the most money on the game.
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Unless they’re a PvE housing specialist, I haven’t experienced PvErs spend anywhere close to the amount of time/money on a house compared to PvPers. Dedicated PvPers are the tier of player that will spend millions of gold and hundreds of dollars worth of crowns (...)
How many regular PvPers exist? A few hundred, maybe around a thousand at most, if we're being optimistic about it?
And how many PvE players does ESO have? Millions.
Please don't quote numbers without a source. There are more PvP and PvE/PvP players than you realize.
Edited by TequilaFire on September 13, 2019 2:56PM2 -
Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭The issue here isn't ganking.
The faction bases were designed to have an exit on a platform that can be attacked from, but is not supposed to be accessible from the ground. This is different than a regular blue safe zone because it's intended to give those exiting a base an advantage over people camping the exit -- much like a keep wall.
That mechanic is not working as intended because gap closers are currently able to access that platform when they're not supposed to be able to. I would guess it's a mistake related to the changes made to how gap closers function not too long ago.
This has happened before after changes made to gap closers allowed players to access areas they were not intended to. A precedent was set then that exploiting that bug could result in action taken on one's account. It should also apply here.
Ah thanks for the explanation, I was wondering how they managed it. I am leery of crying "cheat" "exploit" as I feel I merely don't comprehend skilled pvp players' abilities. In future, I'll report the enemy that manages to get on top of the exit platform.2 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
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That's funny, because when I go into PvP, I just mostly see the same few dozen players over and over. PC-EU Kaal.TequilaFire wrote: »Please don't quote numbers without a source. There are more PvP and PvE/PvP players than you realize.
And then there are the many many randoms I don't recognize, probably PvEers grinding for warhorn and/or geodes.
OTOH, I see lots and lots of players in PvE... which is split into shards (is that the right term?) and so we only see a fraction of the real population per zone.
(edit: oops, typos)Edited by Major_Lag on September 13, 2019 3:10PM2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
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That's funny, because when I go into PvP, I just mostly see the same few dozen players over and over. PC-EU Kaal.TequilaFire wrote: »Please don't quote numbers without a source. There are more PvP and PvE/PvP players than you realize.
And then there are the many many randoms I don't recognize, probably PvEers grinding for warhorn and/or geodes.
OTOH, I see lots and lots of players in PvE... which is split into shards (is that the right term?) and so we only see a fraction of the real population per zone.
(edit: oops, typos)
EU seems to have a problem with their population compared to NA servers in general and I can't blame them with the horrible EU server problems.
PS4 NA Kaal usually has a queue to get in.0 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
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Tell me about it. Last weekend, PC-EU Kaal had one bar EP pop in primetime... probably because AD was gatecamping the other 2 factions.TequilaFire wrote: »EU seems to have a problem with their population compared to NA servers in general and I can't blame them with the horrible EU server problems.
PS4 NA Kaal usually has a queue to get in.
ESO PvP is dying, and ZOS is not helping to make it better
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N00BxV1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let me try to understand this...
There are people actively exploiting a broken mechanic, and the people here complaining about the exploiters are getting put down?!
Just wow... So much *** wow.9 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
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Pretty much this.Let me try to understand this...
There are people actively exploiting a broken mechanic, and the people here complaining about the exploiters are getting put down?!
Just wow... So much *** wow.
Ganking players after they jump from the platform is technically legit, but nonetheless poor sportmanship.
But ganking players while they are still in a load screen by exploiting up to the "safe zone" of the platform, that is just 100% griefing, and the exploiters should be permabanned for this nonsense.14 -
Frudu✭✭Jump the water and expect to not get wet. And if you do, then cry.
Yeah, this will totally work!
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let me try to understand this...
There are people actively exploiting a broken mechanic, and the people here complaining about the exploiters are getting put down?!
Just wow... So much *** wow.
More like:
The OP complains about gankers exploiting their way up to the ledges outside the home bases and camping people as they come out of load screens.
Decent PVPers: yep. Exploiters suck.
Then the OP takes a sideswipe at gankers who aren't exploiting, but who are playing as intended.
Decent PVPers: hang on a minute here...
Its an important distinction, because every so often we get clueless players trying to report PVPers for totally legitimate ganking, or acting like regular ganking is a henious playstyle that they shouldnt have to face in PVP. That's why you see a number of posters, including myself, saying "Ganking is normal in PVP. Deal with it. Ganking on those ledges is not normal in PVP. Exploiters suck."6 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Has anyone seen an official statement on enemy gate ledge access? I only see restrictions for dragon knight gap-closers in place. One would think that if they didn't want people up there, then they'd update that to include all of the gap-closers (assuming gap closers is how they are getting up there).Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »
More like:
The OP complains about gankers exploiting their way up to the ledges outside the home bases and camping people as they come out of load screens.
Decent PVPers: yep. Exploiters suck.
Then the OP takes a sideswipe at gankers who aren't exploiting, but who are playing as intended.
Decent PVPers: hang on a minute here...
Its an important distinction, because every so often we get clueless players trying to report PVPers for totally legitimate ganking, or acting like regular ganking is a henious playstyle that they shouldnt have to face in PVP. That's why you see a number of posters, including myself, saying "Ganking is normal in PVP. Deal with it. Ganking on those ledges is not normal in PVP. Exploiters suck."
Well said.0 -
I'm new and I didn't even know there was much PVP in eso. I guess I've been too busy doing PVE, since I've been completely black listed for being a villainous vampire. So even though pvp'ing the pve players for making me be a lone wolf would be some get back, I'll just accept my label and just PVE. Its their choice to keep me from playing with a guild and doing PVE stuff I can't solo.
I did setup my bank guy, merchant lady, and got a zombie in my homes to keep me company. And pets of course.
That does seem like what PVE players are complaining about PVP players though. I'll just make my own guild so I can enjoy everything in PVE.Edited by theplague4u on September 13, 2019 7:45PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
Yes but what you aren’t understanding is it’s not personal they aren’t thinking about you they want your tel ver stones and alliance points.kinguardian wrote: »I get you and your friend its actually pathetic because it is no challenge for them whatsoever. Kinda sad if they find that fun and challenging. I expect in normal occasions when I run around in that zone that when I run into someone that I get killed but when it is an event just let someone get a chance to get a quick ticket and leave them be especially if they are on their own. Reminds me of wow when you start as a new player and these wankers wait for you to spawn and kill you over and over again. Sad sad sad.
There are no telvar stones to be had. The people they are jumping haven't had a chance to gather any stones yet and they sure aren't taking stones out of the bank to carry with them as they go. AP would also be minimal. This is pure and simple causing grief to cause grief.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."12 -
Phex✭✭What the PVE players are complaining about is the culture of curb-stomping "scrubs" in Imperial City. You can observe it happening. Extremelly experienced pvp players go out camping for newly arrived or low ranked enemies (usually staring pvp or pve ones) because they Know that they won't be able to be any challenge to them. These people even know the best places to gank down to an inch.
No one will ever admit it, not the devs and not even the PVP community, but what it is is exploiting and trolling. Because frankly, you don't get THAT good at camping and ganking by accident or by "just doing pvp".
But you know, we PVE players give it a shot but it's not fair and certainly not fun to be killed again and again and again by people you don't have a chance against even if there's four of you. And to be left feeling like crap after that.4 -
Phex✭✭All we PVE players want is a fair game. That's all we've ever wanted. We don't want a free ride either. We'd just like to play this pvp/pve area with players who display the same amount of skill we do.
Just a fair game, that's all we've ever wanted. One that challenges us but that is still an achievable goal.
Matchmaking, essentially.
Give us that and IC might yet be salvagable. And if that happens then maybe future pvp/pve modes could work.
But without it the majority of people won't enjoy and won't play IC, even if they did get it for free and it will go back to being the same niche content it used to be.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All we PVE players want is a fair game. That's all we've ever wanted. We don't want a free ride either. We'd just like to play this pvp/pve area with players who display the same amount of skill we do.
Just a fair game, that's all we've ever wanted. One that challenges us but that is still an achievable goal.
Matchmaking, essentially.
Give us that and IC might yet be salvagable. And if that happens then maybe future pvp/pve modes could work.
But without it the majority of people won't enjoy and won't play IC, even if they did get it for free and it will go back to being the same niche content it used to be.
I hate to say it, but ZOS can't even get matchmaking right in the much smaller content best suited for it: Battlegrounds.3 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The anniversary event allowed us to get tickets without doing PvP. Stick a "get tickets here" person in the Imperial City base. Leave the other bonuses (or even boost them) and let people get the tickets without running into the sewers.
I have only run the Imperial City Jail dungeon, but that is not a good choice because it takes quite a while to queue and is really intense and deadly for the pickup groups I get.
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If they are up on the platform they are small people in real life looking for an ego boost to make them feel better.
If they are below the platform, well they are playing the game. You will die in PvP.
They are still looking for an ego boost. They clearly lack the ability to do more than gank if they have to just hide where people come in, especially during an event with clueless people coming in. It isn't great even if you can get away with it.
But then I am more interested in making the game enjoyable for most, rather than just a few that get their fun by ganking others. They are certainly not getting a lot of AP if most people simply avoid them once they are ganked a few times.Edited by FlopsyPrince on September 13, 2019 10:15PMPC
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✭✭✭✭✭I figured out the problem last night. It's AD and EP.
YOU MANIACS! YOU BURNED ME ALL UP!
NERF YOU! NERF YOU ALL TO HECK!
Sorry, I couldn't find decent stills for a meme.
Seriously, though, I'm really starting to hate yellow and red. I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What the PVE players are complaining about is the culture of curb-stomping "scrubs" in Imperial City. You can observe it happening. Extremelly experienced pvp players go out camping for newly arrived or low ranked enemies (usually staring pvp or pve ones) because they Know that they won't be able to be any challenge to them. These people even know the best places to gank down to an inch.
No one will ever admit it, not the devs and not even the PVP community, but what it is is exploiting and trolling. Because frankly, you don't get THAT good at camping and ganking by accident or by "just doing pvp".
But you know, we PVE players give it a shot but it's not fair and certainly not fun to be killed again and again and again by people you don't have a chance against even if there's four of you. And to be left feeling like crap after that.
Exactly! It is not smart of any company making an MMO to not help people learn new areas rather than making it a "throw you in the deep end with others trying to pull you under" to start.PC
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lemonizzle✭✭✭✭I'm running a bow gank in IC since the event, and I try to leave obvious newbies/pvers alone. They usually have less than 1k telvar on them, provide even less challenge that a succesful gank gives, and it is a little sad to see them melt from 1 snipe + light attack. Even helped a low cp to clear Nobles door bosses, only to have some red pop up and delete him as he went through.
It is an unforgiving place if you are not prepared, but given enough time and experience it is just endless fun, even if you are the one on the ground.
That said, base camping is just poor sportsmanship, and it is always good to see when enough players gather to kick them out.3 -
OsManiaC✭✭✭✭I see the same guys every day in sewers entrance of AD- all from my nation, even I see from 1 km away I can bid on this as we never miss these opportunities - and this is same in all related games. In FPS (battlefield) and in any spawn killing opportunity games. So just try to not think so much of this, try going for ladders to the city and go back in somewhere else and do your stuff freely as those people trying to pwn people from start.
Don't let this annoying thing to ruin your game, just work around it. It is a feature and will be always staying. Just go #yolo and go 1vsX, or go to city, or try to gank them from spawn point.They are getting fun while doing this, which is total OK. so you can too.Edited by OsManiaC on September 13, 2019 11:57PMGM of The Argonian Kebab, The Argonian Steak & The Argonian BBQ - PC - EU (The Tamriel Kitchen) @OsManiaC
Don't worry, the tail grows back!
if it breathes we eats. #justbosmerthings - we can detect stealth boy NPCs and hunt them thanks to our skill!
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✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »The anniversary event allowed us to get tickets without doing PvP. Stick a "get tickets here" person in the Imperial City base. Leave the other bonuses (or even boost them) and let people get the tickets without running into the sewers.
I have only run the Imperial City Jail dungeon, but that is not a good choice because it takes quite a while to queue and is really intense and deadly for the pickup groups I get.
So now you not only don't want to PvP but you also don't want to PvE to get your tickets.
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✭✭All these folks whining about gankers...you do realize how hard it is for a NB to actually gank anyone in a real PVP build nowadays?
I’m not saying a skilled NB can’t attack you out of stealth; but, the days of “Wtf just hit me” boom you’re dead from some combo out of stealth are over.Edited by JumpmanLane on September 14, 2019 9:21PM4
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