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MMR is killing BGs for me, and maybe you too

  • HEBREWHAMMERRR
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    This post is officially a year old. Imagine having such a huge flaw in a large aspect of your game that’s been neglected for over a year. Yikes.

    I can’t que solo on my magblade and get a game under 10 minutes. It’s ridiculous.
  • ChunkyCat
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    I tried to solo queue up with my old StamSorc. Still waited over16 minutes for a match. Granted, that toon has thousands upon thousands upon thousands of BG matches under his belt.

    Luckily, I had a twinky level 46 MagSorc that’s been collecting dust for a while. So I just leveled him up a bit more and made him my new StamSorc.

    Average queue wait is about 3 minutes.
    Edited by ChunkyCat on August 27, 2019 4:25PM
  • Bashev
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    red_emu wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why the queue system always manages to find 2 pre-mades and the random group I end up in has 3 very inexperienced players for whom this is the first ever BG?

    How does that make sense? Is my MMR so high, that ZOS thinks I can take on 8 pre made pros who have been practicing for months, playing over Comms etc? It always ends up the same way. The 3 newbs run around like headless chickens trying to solo other groups and they just die over and over till they quit.

    Sometimes I can do 15 BGs in a row and get only one match without pre-mades or one where there is at least one more person in my team with high MMR.

    It is not fair to be punished just for being gut? I think the pre-mades need to stop or have a separate queue. It's a weird design of a game that punishes you, the more you play it.

    The worst thing about full premade group is that they have double advantage.
    • They start 4 players and the other teams is highly possible that start with 3 players. It means that in the first 3-4 minutes the result can be easily 100+ points for them
    • They know each other

    Recently I had a few BGs where my teammates put false occlusions that one of the other teams were a premade. Some of them even left the BG and once we get one better player we even turn the score. I start to believe that a lot of inexperienced players think that every group that stick together is a premade.
    Because I can!
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Bashev wrote: »
    I start to believe that a lot of inexperienced players think that every group that stick together is a premade.

    This is definitely a thing. I've been with three random and utterly steamrolled the other teams many times before. I'm not saying the matchmaking system is in good shape by any means, but you can't blame all of your lopsided defeats on premades.
    “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  • Iskiab
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    red_emu wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why the queue system always manages to find 2 pre-mades and the random group I end up in has 3 very inexperienced players for whom this is the first ever BG?

    How does that make sense? Is my MMR so high, that ZOS thinks I can take on 8 pre made pros who have been practicing for months, playing over Comms etc? It always ends up the same way. The 3 newbs run around like headless chickens trying to solo other groups and they just die over and over till they quit.

    Sometimes I can do 15 BGs in a row and get only one match without pre-mades or one where there is at least one more person in my team with high MMR.

    It is not fair to be punished just for being gut? I think the pre-mades need to stop or have a separate queue. It's a weird design of a game that punishes you, the more you play it.

    All you can do is take a break. There are a lot of good solo queuers so if they’re queuing a lot you’ll get them over and over again and can dominate. Sometimes you’re thrown against the same teams with weak team mates and it really sucks.

    If you go on a winning streak against good teams it’s usually really fun pvp because everyone’s good, those games are what makes pvp fun because you’re always on your toes. If you’re getting demolished there’s nothing that can be done so I take a break and hope stronger random players are queuing up when I do.

    I haven’t done as many BGs since the patch, and think there are some like me who feel survivability nerfs promote teamwork too much for solo queuing. I imagine it’s a lot worse recently.
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  • BaiterOfZergs
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    red_emu wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why the queue system always manages to find 2 pre-mades and the random group I end up in has 3 very inexperienced players for whom this is the first ever BG?

    How does that make sense? Is my MMR so high, that ZOS thinks I can take on 8 pre made pros who have been practicing for months, playing over Comms etc? It always ends up the same way. The 3 newbs run around like headless chickens trying to solo other groups and they just die over and over till they quit.

    Sometimes I can do 15 BGs in a row and get only one match without pre-mades or one where there is at least one more person in my team with high MMR.

    It is not fair to be punished just for being gut? I think the pre-mades need to stop or have a separate queue. It's a weird design of a game that punishes you, the more you play it.

    The system is somehow designed to think you can carry them. And then there’s times they throw you into games that you have no business being in.
    Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.
  • jcm2606
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    Bashev wrote: »
    red_emu wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why the queue system always manages to find 2 pre-mades and the random group I end up in has 3 very inexperienced players for whom this is the first ever BG?

    How does that make sense? Is my MMR so high, that ZOS thinks I can take on 8 pre made pros who have been practicing for months, playing over Comms etc? It always ends up the same way. The 3 newbs run around like headless chickens trying to solo other groups and they just die over and over till they quit.

    Sometimes I can do 15 BGs in a row and get only one match without pre-mades or one where there is at least one more person in my team with high MMR.

    It is not fair to be punished just for being gut? I think the pre-mades need to stop or have a separate queue. It's a weird design of a game that punishes you, the more you play it.

    The worst thing about full premade group is that they have double advantage.
    • They start 4 players and the other teams is highly possible that start with 3 players. It means that in the first 3-4 minutes the result can be easily 100+ points for them
    • They know each other

    Recently I had a few BGs where my teammates put false occlusions that one of the other teams were a premade. Some of them even left the BG and once we get one better player we even turn the score. I start to believe that a lot of inexperienced players think that every group that stick together is a premade.

    Add the fact that premades can guarantee that they'll have a vital role filled in their group, such as a healer or a CC-bot.
    @jcm2606 | PC NA | CP 1000+ | Stormproof | Boethia's Scythe
  • Thogard
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    The ability to coordinate a disengage and then to reeengage as a third party to kill steal the other two teams whilst they’re engaged with each other is the greatest advantage of a premade.
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  • ecru
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    queue times are too long and the resulting games aren't worth it. every game is a frustrating struggle as a solo queuer against a premade. it isn't fun and i haven't played in awhile because of it. the last time i tried to pvp i queued at like 11pm EST, and didn't get a queue after 15 minutes, so i just logged.
    Gryphon Heart
  • Cinbri
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    Bgs so boring nowdays that I dont even miss them.
    Matchmaking is terrible: It either go solo - and be farmed by premades; or go as premade - and farm soloers, and only super rarely get against other premade that also ending as them rage-quiting match because they cant easy farm AP on randoms. And for that you also have to wait 30+min.
    Seems nothing to do till next update that that should fix lfg system (hard to belive in it tho).
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