InvictusApollo wrote: »

For some time already, every time I queue through Dungeon Finder I allways get a "fake tank". Well it has to be a "fake tank", as he is not using sword and shield and he barely ever blocks, right?
He is allways sprinting through the dungeon, herding most of the mobs to the boss, where he kills everything. Often times he is the last one standing as the rest of the team dies to red circles of stupidity - Even some max CP players. This happens even in veteran dungeons! The most bizzare thing is that sometimes he is doing more dps than the rest of his team!
And when someone asks him about his build, he just says: "heh thats my tanky PvP build".

How is that possible? Why do I allways get a "fake tank" in dungeons?!

Oh... right... thats probably because it's me
As you can see not all "fake tanks" aren't able to tank a veteran dungeon. For that reason you should not hate whisper someone who queued as a tank but is using a two-hander and bow.

I wish my fake tanks were so capable. The ones I get can't even round up a single pull (let lone herd mobs all the way the boss) and simply go splat every time a boss uses a powerful move (that's on the rare occasion the boss is actually attacking him).

So it doesn't sound to me like you got a "fake tank" to me. Any character capable of taking on an entire herd of mobs plus the boss in a Veteran Dungeon sounds fairly "tanky" to me. Sounds more like you just landed into a dungeon with some decked out Vet who wanted to solo the dungeon asap and didn't have the courtesy to wait on others.

Well.... 2 days ago i queued as a tank and 3 dds (fake heal) rushed through everything....

After 15mins and dungeon finished... they told me something like "cool tank, nice to have you with us". They ignored me the whole dungeon (could not even try to do my job because of the rushing).
That's why tanking is not fun in pug .

That sounds like the best fake tank out there. I'm jealous.

I usually get the guy who runs ahead without telling anyone, normally while there is the 4th group member still porting in, gets on the other side of a choke point, which makes the adds form a wall between us and him, which in turn forces the adds to turn on us once we attack or try to wade through the garbage, then whines that we were too slow and he was going for a no death speed run. Think Vet Wayrest Sewers 2.

Fake tanks are part of dungeon finder. Have to say I've been luckier than most with the pugs I've run with. Its got to the point that I look forward to running more DLC dungeons as there are less fake tanks there.

Jeremy wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

That sounds like the best fake tank out there. I'm jealous.

lol

That's what I was thinking.

If this guy thinks this is what a typical fake tank scenario looks like - then he's been very lucky.

No doubt. The typical fake tank scenario ends with half the group quitting in frustration as the fake tank usually travels with a partner so you can't kick him.

@Starlock It sounds like you are actually tanking. Fake tanks don't do any of the skills you listed: taunt, root, slow, CC, occasional buffs. They aggro the boss by attacking, rapidly lose aggro when the actual DPS jump in, then complain that everyone else isn't doing their part when the group wipes; i.e. "Heals need to be better," or, "DPS is too low."

Fake tanks...

I am trying to be a good tank but even then its never enough . People think that Tanks are invincible or something. I taunt, buff and slow down enemies.

Because none of the real tanks use group finder because all they get are fake dps or healers.

idk wrote: »

Also, only inexperienced tanks will hold block full time.

Depends on what section of what dungeon/trial. A few areas need a virtual permablock.

I am glad I saw that spoiler

Also, yeah.

I am working on my 'daily tanker' but for the moment I am content with slotting inner fire on my DD character and done. Or slot fortified brass in medium with health enchants on it and tank almost all vet.

@Starlock you sound like a good tank. I'd happily run dungeons with ya.

Healers view= I expect the tank to not jump around keep taunt of the boss and big adds at all times so I can stack my heals on him and feed him orbs every 10 seconds.
I expect the dps to not jump around like headless chickens so I can keep them healed and them to grab the orbs the tank gets . You don't have to avoid all red fields just the 1 shot ones anything else I can heal you through just concentrate on doing damage.
And to the magsorcs amongst you guys=
Stop slotting the healing matriarch (often lovingly referred to as "flappy t**s") let me worry about the groups hp bars and you worry about the bosses hp bar OK? If you need a emergency self heal so badly use one you don't have to double bar. And if you need orbs and don't have a mike just use the "my magica/stamina is low" emoji and I'll send 1 in your general direction no big deal just let me know.

Tank view= If I taunt all dangerous adds and the boss making sure nothing to dangerous comes your way I do expect a orb every now and then and a few hots so I can spend my magica in chaining in adds and rooting them instead of blowing it all to heal myself. I also expect that if I'm keeping the boss as Stationary as possible for the dpses to do some decent damage. Learning a proper rotation and getting proper gear isn't that hard guys.oh yeah to the Stam dpses amongst you guys : stop charging ahead I'm not wasting my stamina chasing a overconfident dps and the listening to the bickering about not taunting afterwords. And to the cyromancers amongst you guys : your quite unique playstyle is not appreciated in dungeons, please leave your ice staves at home Thank you

Dps view=
First I'm not build to take high amounts of damage so please tanks keep the dangerous adds away from me and healers: if you send through orbs every 10 seconds and keep my healed I can guarantee the boss will die quickly. If I'm spending all my stam dodging big hits from dangerous adds or spamming shields ( for example stone warriors in Vmalatar) and healing myself if the heals are s*** don't expect my to be able to sustain a full dps rotation after that.
I've been doing alot of DLC dungeons lately often with pugs mostly thou with a set team where everyone does his job well.
Everyone has a job in dungeons do it and let the other guy worry about his role.
Basic rule of thumb= normal dungeon if 1 guy does his job run= smooth
Vet dungeon = if 2 people do their job = smooth run
Vet Hm= 3 people do their job= smooth run
DLC vet hm= everyone needs to do their job if 1 guy is napping the whole team wipes in most cases.

Not 100% serious but u guys get the point. Each person's performance directly affects the others performance. It can be compensated to a certain degree but it makes everyone's job alot harder. So make sure you do your role. There r alot of guides out there... There is no excuse.