Khajiit need some love from Zos
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Atm Khajiit is good for nothing, the last racial changes ruined the race. At least once was a good stam dps, now is not competitive as stam/mag compared to other classes.
It's like a fluffy argonian...
@ZOS_GinaBruno a lot of people love khajiit, please make something to improve our kitties!
It's like a fluffy argonian...
@ZOS_GinaBruno a lot of people love khajiit, please make something to improve our kitties!
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Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!2 -
lusshtgarel✭✭✭Khajiit are perfectly competitive as stamina, magicka DPS and healers. Thing with them, they are a jack of all trades, master of none type of race much like Dunmer, which works perfectly well if you like to try some things out. I would say racials are quite fine as they are.3 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...1 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
The preposition is that orcs crit higher then khajit AND their base damage (noncrit) is going to be higher. So it doesn't matter if they have low crit chance, orcs will always be doing more damage. That is what they are trying to say.Edited by OG_Kaveman on September 3, 2019 12:14PM1 -
Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭lusshtgarel wrote: »Khajiit are perfectly competitive as stamina, magicka DPS and healers. Thing with them, they are a jack of all trades, master of none type of race much like Dunmer, which works perfectly well if you like to try some things out. I would say racials are quite fine as they are.
Except we need to nerf the bosmers. jk.0 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Their crit rate is exactly the same.
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Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭Atm Khajiit is good for nothing, the last racial changes ruined the race. At least once was a good stam dps, now is not competitive as stam/mag compared to other classes.
It's like a fluffy argonian...
@ZOS_GinaBruno a lot of people love khajiit, please make something to improve our kitties!
This one thinks you must be on something. Khajiit are very universal and easy to play.0 -
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✭✭✭Khajiit need some love from Zos
I'm not khajiit but I need some love too.
My bosmer doesnt needs love she's an assassin (well ok it's not a reason I know), but my old argonian says "khajiits and argonians dont need love, ones have the moons and the others have the hist". My imperial has Zos
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✭ZOS loves Khajiit too much and made them the best hybrid build race.
They just forgot they didn't do anything to support hybrid builds or make them viable.
Hybrids should make use of combined stamina and magicka stats for power scaling, eg. for stamina skills get x1 from stamina, and x0.5 from magicka and vice versa, since they still lose out on max pool and sustain. This can also open up a lot of possibilities for builds instead of only full stamina or magicka builds.2 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
The preposition is that orcs crit higher then khajit AND their base damage (noncrit) is going to be higher. So it doesn't matter if they have low crit chance, orcs will always be doing more damage. That is what they are trying to say.
Not true...
you too can be like the orc, put up your weapon damage and remove it from crit.. problem solved..Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Their crit rate is exactly the same.
That is only true when you both place your crit the same...
Kajit get 10% more crit than any other race... so use that to put on the warrior instead of the thief... use it to put on hundings rage instead of leviathan...
wear heavy armor instead of medium...
all this stuff because of that 10% extra crit... and you guys cry ...
If you all wan't love for kajit lets remove your crit...all of it... then we can start talking about changes...Edited by LuxLunae on September 3, 2019 12:35PM0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS loves Khajiit too much and made them the best hybrid build race.
They just forgot they didn't do anything to support hybrid builds or make them viable.
Hybrids should make use of combined stamina and magicka stats for power scaling, eg. for stamina skills get x1 from stamina, and x0.5 from magicka and vice versa, since they still lose out on max pool and sustain. This can also open up a lot of possibilities for builds instead of only full stamina or magicka builds.
You can still be a hybrid, but doing something like vMA or a trial won't be for the faint of heart. But I'm guessing the real reason they won't support hybrids is because certain builds are already OP in PvP, and have significant advantages in PvE. There really are some things only a hybrid can do, even in the hardest content in the game.
From my experience hybrids suffer the same problems as mag builds, except run into a problem with crit as well. But eventually you can get past all of that and suffer from only severe sustain issues (requires you to not use Pelenial's...).
And yeah, I used such a hybrid to complete vMA...0 -
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✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
I love when people try to “ROFL” someone but actually are clueless. They have the exact same Crit chance. So “ROFL”.
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
The preposition is that orcs crit higher then khajit AND their base damage (noncrit) is going to be higher. So it doesn't matter if they have low crit chance, orcs will always be doing more damage. That is what they are trying to say.
Not true...
you too can be like the orc, put up your weapon damage and remove it from crit.. problem solved..Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Their crit rate is exactly the same.
That is only true when you both place your crit the same...
Kajit get 10% more crit than any other race... so use that to put on the warrior instead of the thief... use it to put on hundings rage instead of leviathan...
wear heavy armor instead of medium...
all this stuff because of that 10% extra crit... and you guys cry ...
If you all wan't love for kajit lets remove your crit...all of it... then we can start talking about changes...
aw man, you look slow, poor little guy. khajiit dont have crit CHANCE, they have crit HIT DAMAGE. so yeah, orcs and khajit can have exactly the same crit chance(ie wearing the same armor and weapons) but orcs will have better crit hit damage and base damage because of the extra 1250 stam(khajiit have 850 stam) and 258 weapon damage.1 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Orcs dont crit as often? Excuse me? Khajiits dont have any extra critical chance, hello?1 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭probabkyravi wrote: »Khajiit are in the best place they have ever been.
They are supposed to be a DPS race, but they are so weak compared to breton, altmer, orc0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭probabkyravi wrote: »Khajiit are in the best place they have ever been.
They are supposed to be a DPS race, but they are so weak compared to breton, altmer, orc
they are suppose to be a balanced race. that is what they are.0 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
The preposition is that orcs crit higher then khajit AND their base damage (noncrit) is going to be higher. So it doesn't matter if they have low crit chance, orcs will always be doing more damage. That is what they are trying to say.
Not true...
you too can be like the orc, put up your weapon damage and remove it from crit.. problem solved..Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Their crit rate is exactly the same.
That is only true when you both place your crit the same...
Kajit get 10% more crit than any other race... so use that to put on the warrior instead of the thief... use it to put on hundings rage instead of leviathan...
wear heavy armor instead of medium...
all this stuff because of that 10% extra crit... and you guys cry ...
If you all wan't love for kajit lets remove your crit...all of it... then we can start talking about changes...
Wear heavy armor instead of medium? You are clueless.
That 10% is not chance, its crit damage, You are clueless.
Orc's weapon damage is more than the weapon damage mundus stone, khajiit's 10% is LESS than the crit damage mundus stone, You are clueless.
My conclusion is that you are clueless.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I love that Khajiits can now be magicka characters. If they ever reversed that, I would be very sad.
But they can buff them a little bit, though, while keeping the ability to be both stam and mag.0 -
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✭✭Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Orcs dont crit as often? Excuse me? Khajiits dont have any extra critical chance, hello?
No, no extra crit rate. Just extra crit damage.0 -
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✭I just got Flawless Conquerer on my Mageblade Khajiit during the Orsiunium event.
Racial passives shouldn't be a crutch for a build. If you can't make it do, you need to find somewhere else in your build to make up for whatever you are struggling with.Edited by Kuramas9tails on September 3, 2019 1:03PMYour friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit is OK, it is orcs simply overshadowing other stam races. Of course it will be better if ZOS buffed all races to orc's level, but I doubt that will happen.1 -
crazywolfpusher✭✭✭If you are not playing a high crit chance build their passive is totally wasted. This hurt especially non cp pvp making them one -if not the worst- races in that ground.
Everywhere else they seems middle ground.
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✭✭✭✭✭no one loves khajiit? :'(
I love them, but I'm so mad I don't want to talk about it.
They should have just let us keep the spell and weapon crit. It would have made so many interesting builds possible.
The only reason they got nerfed was because the Altmer/Dunmer Mafia cried and cried because they were scared they were going to have to grow a tail (and use a race change token) to be "best in slot".
The critical damage bonus sucks and as others have pointed out, isn't even as good as the spell/weapon damage bonus other races get.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »no one loves khajiit? :'(
I love them, but I'm so mad I don't want to talk about it.
They should have just let us keep the spell and weapon crit. It would have made so many interesting builds possible.
The only reason they got nerfed was because the Altmer/Dunmer Mafia cried and cried because they were scared they were going to have to grow a tail (and use a race change token) to be "best in slot".
The critical damage bonus sucks and as others have pointed out, isn't even as good as the spell/weapon damage bonus other races get.
PVE DPS was exactly the same for 8% crit chance and 10% crit damage. 10% crit damage is simply more relevant in PVP, so that was PVP-driven change, also buffed OP shadow will work too good with 8% crit chance. Though that change ruined my khajjit build too and I race changed.. but this is more of preference thing that real performance, I simply enjoyed near guaranteed crit which was gone..
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oddbasket✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS loves Khajiit too much and made them the best hybrid build race.
They just forgot they didn't do anything to support hybrid builds or make them viable.
Hybrids should make use of combined stamina and magicka stats for power scaling, eg. for stamina skills get x1 from stamina, and x0.5 from magicka and vice versa, since they still lose out on max pool and sustain. This can also open up a lot of possibilities for builds instead of only full stamina or magicka builds.
You can still be a hybrid, but doing something like vMA or a trial won't be for the faint of heart. But I'm guessing the real reason they won't support hybrids is because certain builds are already OP in PvP, and have significant advantages in PvE. There really are some things only a hybrid can do, even in the hardest content in the game.
From my experience hybrids suffer the same problems as mag builds, except run into a problem with crit as well. But eventually you can get past all of that and suffer from only severe sustain issues (requires you to not use Pelenial's...).
And yeah, I used such a hybrid to complete vMA...
I may have misunderstood, but vMA isn't something only done by hybrids, and whether trial groups take on hybrids is a question for themselves, so I can't say.
To me PVP needs to be a separate beast, and have it's own stat scaling such as imposing it's own diminishing returns on power, resistance, and critical damage, so we can even get rid of the impenetrable trait altogether. To balance PVE for the sake of PVP is always going to be an issue when ZOS can't see that.
And hybrids need to have their adventages in PVE, the versatility it offers at the cost of reduced power and sustain to be attractive in playing. It is more a matter making them more effective to not seem like playing one or taking one in a group is too big a tradeoff from a full stam/mag build.
Anyway, I'm just suggesting stats can scale at a percentage of its' counterpart, it can even compensate for crit chance such as 0.5 of additional spell crit stats from your gear to weapon crit which is excluding your base crit and so on. I'm not saying all stats should benefit as such, some may be harder to balance such as penetration, and should maybe just require more investment, but such can still be the sacrifice needed to run a hybrid.0 -
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Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
The preposition is that orcs crit higher then khajit AND their base damage (noncrit) is going to be higher. So it doesn't matter if they have low crit chance, orcs will always be doing more damage. That is what they are trying to say.
Not true...
you too can be like the orc, put up your weapon damage and remove it from crit.. problem solved..Orc's 2000 stamina + 254 weapon damage gives bigger crits than Khajiit passive, so stupid!
Rofl reduce your crit and increase your weapon damage... you are the one stacking crit and expecting it to be stronger...
Yes orc might have bigger crit output.. but they don't crit as often... such a irrational argument you made...
Their crit rate is exactly the same.
That is only true when you both place your crit the same...
Kajit get 10% more crit than any other race... so use that to put on the warrior instead of the thief... use it to put on hundings rage instead of leviathan...
wear heavy armor instead of medium...
all this stuff because of that 10% extra crit... and you guys cry ...
If you all wan't love for kajit lets remove your crit...all of it... then we can start talking about changes...
As a long time khajiit player I can confirm that these are almost all bad suggestions. Except for Hundings rage being better than leviathan in many situations for a khajiit. I guess the heavy suggestion is for pvp. Sure you could, but medium crit builds are one thing that khajiit are really excellent at - the extra crit damage is very strong in pvp if built right.
For pve stamina khajiit the shadow is still by far the strongest mundus stone, even though it doesn’t scale as well for khajiit as for other stam races.
The thief is generally behind except for very low crit builds (say a 40% crit chance 2H setup before adding mundus stones). Don’t waste time in the warrior. Even though khajiit benefit a lot from extra weapon damage the warrior is much worse.0