I'm really concerned about what multi-bidding is going to do to guilds with less buying power... Are you planning to add a lot more traders in future to help out with the demand?

Will RNG for the refinement be the same? Or if I refine 1000 mats do I get 1 gold mat? Or will it be less or more?

Don’t miss out on a Guild Trader location

...meaning there was a risk that some Guilds could miss out.

Hilarious quotes from the article. Even with multi-bidding, some guilds will still miss out on a guild trader. All this means is that the big guilds probably won't, if they're able to place high enough bids on alternate spots. But there are still far more guilds than there are trader spots, so guilds are still going to miss out and not get a trader, since there aren't enough to go around.

While I don't think it's possible to have a trader for every guild, and too many traders might lead to over-saturation and customer fatigue, I think that more traders could be added and trading hubs improved.

Why do only the 3 capital cities have 7 traders and the other zone cities (in the base game) only have 5? (Craglorn does have 6, but it was originally an expansion zone.) Could they not at least have 6? And why did Elsweyr only get 6 traders, where both Morrowind and Summerset have 12? Even Orsinium has 10. And could we finally add more traders to the starter areas? There are at least 2 empty stalls in each of the starter locations. Heck, there's even an empty stall in the Hollow City. Surely we could add one more so that there are 5 traders there.

Even making some of the trader hubs more convenient could help. Who wants to go to the traders in Abah's Landing, for example. They're quite a distance from the wayshrine and inconveniently located in the city down on the docks. Or Riften - why are those traders outside the city, near the furthest gate from the wayshrine? Other locations are similarly inconvenient. I get that they want to create a variety of locations, but why make some of them purposely not as good as others? I think more players would be willing to shop around more if more locations were more easily accessed. Of course, this is largely a concern for consoles, as PC has TTC so they can shop for what they're looking for online and then go to the location, even out in the wild, to buy the item. Of course, there's no guarantee that the item will still be there.

Anyway, I lurked quite a bit on the PTS feedback thread and I'm concerned how this will all play out. I'm not a GM, but I'm in a couple of good trading guilds and so wonder how they'll fare in this new system. It really seems like ZOS just want to shake up the trader system and see more movement among trading guilds, rather than having them occupy a single spot. That's not really good for consumers, though (if that is their aim) as on console, at least, finding your usual traders that you know sell what you're looking for will be a pain.

And, let's not kid ourselves here. Unless more trading spots are added, there will ALWAYS be guilds that lose out on a trader. Of course, as I said before, even adding spots won't accommodate all guilds so there will always be guilds that lose out no matter how many traders there are, but I think improving various locations would help to make more trading hubs desirable and would also help customers to find what they need more easily since there would be more locations with more stalls and more locations that are easier to access.

Sigh. After all the feedback and talk from actual GMs it looks like it has fallen on deaf ears. So many better solutions. Killing ghost guilds, adding more trader kiosk, Now we watch as trade wars break out from the domino effects.

Undaunted keys as currency, good QOL change.
Multi Crafting, Thank you! Huge QoL....

Multi-bidding?
Has ANYONE at ZoS read ANY of the feedback about this? This is NOT a good QoL change!
There are other ways to deal with ghost guilds and such without the multibidding.
And 10 is just too many...imo...
Huzzah!

Re the changes to Undaunted Keys allowing you to buy shoulders from an Undaunted merchant instead of being used to open a Chest, does that mean the Treasure Hunter passive benefit is lost when using undaunted keys now?

Durnik wrote: »

I'm not seeing a note on date. August, September?

There was an announcement at QuakeCon last weekend (though, yes, it can be hard to find that info and is strange they didn't put it in the blog). August 12th for PC and August 27th for consoles.

Feric51 wrote: »

Edit: Main point of all this is just because a big guild bids high on a mid-tier stall doesn't mean the smaller guilds have to beat that bid. They just have to hope that the big guild gets its preferred spots so their mid-tier bid vanishes.

Exactly. It really sucks to be the low man on the totem pole.

There's no reason for everyone to not throw a backup bid at small, out of the way traders now, whether that's a big guild placing an "oh sh*t" bid or a mid-tier guild hedging their bet, or another low tier guild bidding on other traders in their tier just in case.

The lowest tier trading guilds have no real recourse than to raise more money for their bid and cross their fingers that everyone else wins their other trader bids before it trickles down to theirs.

Finally, they also offer the monthly monster shoulder style page for 50 keys (and this page has a chance to drop from regular mystery coffers, as well).

- Announcement

The monthly monster shoulder style pages will be available directly from the merchant for 50 keys each, in addition to continuing to be a rare drop from the mystery coffers, at the same rates as previously seen with the Undaunted chests.

Undocumented Patch Notes? ... the pledge vendors are selling previously offered Monster Style pages (shoulder). Not all of them but first 4...

Multi-Bidding is not a Improvement for Guilds. It's killing off small to medium size Guilds, as predicted.