I'm playing WoW Classic and enjoying it very much. I also like ESO.

Alucardo wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

KharnTheUndying wrote: »

That is pathetic

Which bit is pathetic?

Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.

Even the retail (current) version with updated graphics and animations runs 10x better than ESO. I didn't know what to do with myself with 200+ fps and 35ms ping

Even the updated version is still running on the same ancient engine as the original. That's like saying CS 1.6 runs great on your system. Well of course it does, it was designed to run on computers from 1999.

Server load is also much easier to manage on an older game when you're running it on modern servers.

ESO's performance needs to be compared against more demanding games, i.e. GW2, FFXIV, BDO, etc.

I don't use twitch.

If they put a trailer on Youtube I eventually get around to watching it.

But seriously your comparing an expansion with a full games launch of course there are going to be more viewers watching the WoW announcement.

shaielzafine wrote: »

KharnTheUndying wrote: »

That is pathetic

Which bit is pathetic?

Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.

blizzard manages to make a 15 year old game run smoothly with modern technology - wow - those wizards over there! amazing lol

World of Warcraft hit came out at a very special time and the stars all aligned for it to do well. Management there is certainly doing their best to kill it from many viewpoints. Enough people still like regular WoW to keep playing, though that keeps dropping off.

No other game will ever have the same success, because the window has changed. Too many alternatives exist and other factors keep this from happening.

I have no idea how many more players ESO could add, but I can confidently state it will never grow to the same size as WoW. It would appear to not need that level of success to keep going however, though I do not have access to the private conversations at the companies involved with ESO.

Think of phone/tablet games. No one is going to be Candy Crush now. Or Facebook games. No one will be Farmville.

One leader seems to define a genre, but then many other players enter and take up time and interest.

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A post earlier said that ESO was different because it was on PC and PS4/XBOX. That should make it bigger if anything, though it will not reach that if so. It was not going to reach WoW size even if it stayed PC only.

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Even WoW Classic's rerelease will not reach the same level. People may want nostalgia, but most things don't age as well as we think. It will likely keep a strong niche, but it will never reach as wide an audience as some proclaim. Many/most consumers have moved on and want something else.

Though WoW Classic can be successful without previous WoW numbers, though how high it much reach for Blizzard to keep it going is an open question.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

KharnTheUndying wrote: »

That is pathetic

Which bit is pathetic?

Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.

Even the retail (current) version with updated graphics and animations runs 10x better than ESO. I didn't know what to do with myself with 200+ fps and 35ms ping

Even the updated version is still running on the same ancient engine as the original. That's like saying CS 1.6 runs great on your system. Well of course it does, it was designed to run on computers from 1999.

Server load is also much easier to manage on an older game when you're running it on modern servers.

ESO's performance needs to be compared against more demanding games, i.e. GW2, FFXIV, BDO, etc.

Like I said, WoW is a very old game. I played it a while back but have been watching streams instead of instantly jumping on the classic WoW train. When I played during BFA, the game had other issues.

Funny you mentioned FF and GW2. I tried GW2 last year, the game ran fine and didn't stutter even in PvP or meta events. And I've been subbed to FF14 since January and have found the game performance much much much better compared to ESO. Even though some servers have been DDoSed since expansion launch, the devs prepared well for everything. They created a third NA megaserver / datacenter with 8 servers in it before the expansions and instances in the new expansion zones were available and capped the number of players each to keep everything running smoothly. ESO has 1 NA megaserver and 1 EU megaserver. FF has multiple NA megaservers, 2 EU megaservers, and more JP megaservers. They also have separate Chinese and Korean versions of the game.

There's sometimes lag during hunt trains where 200+ people are killing hunt bosses overland but all the raids, extreme trials, dungeons, PvP, work fine. You can check their official forums, the FF community complains about other things like gender locked races instead of constant threads about how bad servers, how bad performance is, PvP vs pve (because PvP is balanced separately) and the devs communicate openly and constantly with players. On top of the active community managers, you can ask for support from GMs in the game, I've talked to FF GMs 3x for different concerns and they resolved my tickets immediately. I can 100% see how FF keeps up with the sub to play model and how they had over 1 million subs as Shadowbringers dropped. I do think ESO does better than FF for open world PvP, it's a shame the devs don't care to optimize or fix issues in Cyrodiil or balance it separately from PvE. At least even if FF's PvP is boring, you get mounts and such and the game doesn't keep crashing.

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People are hungry for warcraft content dude. they dont have any morrowind, obvlivion, skyrim kind of fps rpg thingy that can be modded so they play wow. plus nostalgia or friends they made there holding them.

Release warcraft 4 and we will see how much wow will hold out.

It's a relaunch of the biggest MMO to ever happen, of course it's going to dominate Twitch, even social media will be flooded for weeks.

ESO does well with streaming and content creation on YouTube, I think the numbers will settle down and be closer again once the rush of the launch wares off.

andreasv wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

It's a relaunch of the biggest MMO to ever happen, of course it's going to dominate Twitch, even social media will be flooded for weeks.

ESO does well with streaming and content creation on YouTube, I think the numbers will settle down and be closer again once the rush of the launch wares off.

I don't think ESO has ever been close to viewer numbers compared to WoW on Twitch. I'm guessing that's because WoW has been there since the early days.

Ah, I thought from the picture they looked close. Unless I am suffering learn to read issues as I don't really follow Twitch much.

I'd imagine WoW would blow most other MMO games out of the water on views though just because the fact it's WoW.

Turelus wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

It's a relaunch of the biggest MMO to ever happen, of course it's going to dominate Twitch, even social media will be flooded for weeks.

ESO does well with streaming and content creation on YouTube, I think the numbers will settle down and be closer again once the rush of the launch wares off.

I don't think ESO has ever been close to viewer numbers compared to WoW on Twitch. I'm guessing that's because WoW has been there since the early days.

Ah, I thought from the picture they looked close. Unless I am suffering learn to read issues as I don't really follow Twitch much.

I'd imagine WoW would blow most other MMO games out of the water on views though just because the fact it's WoW.

https://sullygnome.com/game/World_of_Warcraft
https://sullygnome.com/game/The_Elder_Scrolls_Online/14

Taking the launch out of the equation I'd say it's 25k vs. 2,5k on average. But as I said, many viewers discovered Twitch through WoW and many channels started on there because of WoW so of course the follower base is bigger.

I hope that one day we'll get some confirmed player / subscriber numbers from both developers because that's where I think the games are a little bit closer.

Animal_Mother wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

KharnTheUndying wrote: »

That is pathetic

Which bit is pathetic?

Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.

It better be buttery smooth. Those graphics are over 15 years old and were designed to run on ancient Intel IGPs.

I never understood watching a game when you could be playing it.

Same is true for ESO though, despite it's new graphical shine here and there.

Honestly, I never watched any of the Twitch Streams involving ESO. I also don't know anyone personally, who does that.

I am from Console, so what you said about "Free Rewards from Watching" is legit no Motivation for me as it is PC only.