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This Is Another Reason Why ESO Needs To Do Better...

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An initial comparison from the 1/25/19 Elsweyr announcement launch vs the WoW Classic launch today on 8/26/2019. Peak viewers for ESO broke about 120K and WoW peak broke 1 Million. Sure, it may just be Twitch, but we cannot dismiss these metrics because they very accurately show worldwide public interest on content launches. Even without WoW or other MMO content releases, ESO barely will see 10-11k concurrent viewers at the absolute maximum on a busy day. Prior to any launches and no special content being released, viewership for ESO is very subpar to any other in the same category to what it should be for being a modern AAA MMO if we are going to compare numbers on an "any day" average. These numbers show a trend over time. ZOS/Bethesda should do better with the COMMUNITY and engage them in more ways that they do now. There is a reason why 15 years later WoW is still doing so well, re-releasing 15 year old content and still knocking it out of the ballpark. While the current state of the company that runs WoW is a completely different animal than it was years back, the devs were about their COMMUNITY back then and players don't forget that. ESO has such a HUGE chance to get just as big if not bigger being a newer MMO, but how Zenimax is choosing to run the game on a constant slippery slope and intentionally or unintentionally NOT interacting with their community is a stark reflection of why there aren't more playing, and that's really upsetting for such an amazing game with such big potential. ESO is "flourishing", but only by ESO standards. It should be able to do so much better now and especially on new content releases than 10-12% that WoW does with content that is 15 years old.

Another reason why these numbers are very important is because Zenimax uses Twitch as it's main medium for viewership and rewards (such as Crate Drops, Mounts, etc). Numbers tell the real story in every area, not just in-game so it is worth mentioning this area is lacking greatly. We all love ESO and it's the #1 reason we are literally begging Zenimax to do right by this amazing game and it's community because we want success, not failure.

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For those who want a more "Apples to Apples" and "fair" viewership metric with another popular MMO, here is FFIV vs ESO on 8/26/19 during peak times and also during non-release or hyped/advertising cycles. While not as drastic in numbers as with WoW, we can still see ESO is still not as good as it should be with ~30% difference in metrics with close to the same amount of followers (~3% difference)

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EDIT: Added FFIV comparison metric
Edited by scorpius2k1 on August 27, 2019 3:57PM
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  • KharnTheUndying
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    That is pathetic
  • chrightt
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    Well lets be real, WoW classic just launched and nostalgia is what the gaming market is selling atm (just look at ragnarok M, Maplestory M, etc.). It really is quite hard to get people to watch RPGs when it is more fun to just play them yourself. WoW's viewership will probably drop in a week or so.
  • Bouldercleave
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    Yawn....
  • shaielzafine
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    That is pathetic

    Which bit is pathetic?

    Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.
  • StormeReigns
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    Meh. I am more amazed that places like Twitch still has games to be viewed versus the exploiting of cleavage tea party nighties groups recently popping up.
  • scorpius2k1
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    SkerKro wrote: »
    Meh. I am more amazed that places like Twitch still has games to be viewed versus the exploiting of cleavage tea party nighties groups recently popping up.

    While true, it's a bit of topic eh? :D Do you not think it's a big deal to see such huge differences in numbers like that? ESO isn't really popularized anywhere else online so where else should players go to watch content if they aren't playing. I would think after 5 years it should be doing so much better by now. Surely Zenimax pays close attention to those metrics too especially when they try to get ESO's Twitch viewership count up in exchange for loot crates as rewards.
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  • scorpius2k1
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    Yawn....
    The same thing can be said about the current state of ESO....
    chrightt wrote: »
    Well lets be real, WoW classic just launched and nostalgia is what the gaming market is selling atm (just look at ragnarok M, Maplestory M, etc.).

    This post is being very real and honest, and I explained it exactly that way. This was a simple launch comparison. Even when the shininess wears off of the WoW classic launch, viewership will still far exceed ESO. Elsweyr is also very much Skyrim nostalgia with the Dragon bit too.
    chrightt wrote: »
    It really is quite hard to get people to watch RPGs when it is more fun to just play them yourself. WoW's viewership will probably drop in a week or so.

    Moot point though if another game can do it but ESO struggles to right? There is no excuse. Again, those numbers matter whether financial, viewership, or actual players in-game. Don't think for a moment that every company doesn't pay very close attention to them. In 2019, community engagement and influencers are a major component of a games success. Why do you think ZOS is always pushing players to watch Twitch streams for Drops? Think about it. Same reason. Numbers matter.
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  • Animal_Mother
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    That is pathetic

    Which bit is pathetic?

    Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.

    It better be buttery smooth. Those graphics are over 15 years old and were designed to run on ancient Intel IGPs.

    I never understood watching a game when you could be playing it.
  • Siohwenoeht
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    I have played elder scrolls games for 20 years. I have never watched a twitch stream of anything.

    Nor a YouTube of anyone playing any game.

    I played WoW from burning crusade through pandaria and have no interest in WoW classic. To me re-releasing old outdated content just shows just how badly Activision is running Blizzard and how much they are hemorrhaging players.

    Zos has made their own mistakes with ESO for sure, and I make no excuses for them, but for me there is no comparison, ESO is the better game atm.
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  • NotaDaedraWorshipper
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    That is pathetic

    Which bit is pathetic?

    Also I'm watching these classic WoW streams and amazed at how buttery smooth the performance is. It's a very old game and ESO is prettier but it doesn't crash to login screen or send people into infinite loading screens or have obvious bugs as people are leveling to 60. I'm tempted to try WoW since a good number of my ESO friends jumped on the WoW hype train today.

    Funny. My partner is playing it next to me. Or trying to, since it's lagging like hell, crashes and other familiar words. No smooth like butter there.

    But then, it's nostalgia mania so it's thousands of people needing their itch scratched.
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  • scorpius2k1
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    I have played elder scrolls games for 20 years. I have never watched a twitch stream of anything.

    Nor a YouTube of anyone playing any game.

    I played WoW from burning crusade through pandaria and have no interest in WoW classic. To me re-releasing old outdated content just shows just how badly Activision is running Blizzard and how much they are hemorrhaging players.

    Zos has made their own mistakes with ESO for sure, and I make no excuses for them, but for me there is no comparison, ESO is the better game atm.

    I hear you and agree completely! I started my Elder Scrolls experience with Morrowind. Twitch, YouTube, etc is just part of the bigger picture here I am trying to make a point of. Viewership is one of many areas that is very important to gaming companies. Even if you have never watched gaming content online, it is still a huge part of that ecosystem today because it brings in and engages new and existing players alike. Every reason you stated is the truth, but it's also EXACTLY why numbers shouldn't be what they are when it comes to ESO vs WOW (or any MMO) because ESO *IS* the better game. The question begs an answer to why the company is allowing ESO to exist in such a bad state right now 5+ years on (in many areas), the numbers we see are just the icing on the cake. It's worrisome regarding the future of ESO for me personally, I am pretty anxious to see how things pan out over the next year.
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  • jainiadral
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    Maybe ESO players are more interested in playing the game rather than watching it.

    Just from the clips I've seen postd on the forums, ESO seems eminently unwatchable. Heck, half the time, the vids feel incomprehensible and I've been playing for a year.
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    There will be a nostalgia fueled circle-jerk for a while until people remember that WoW classic is literally out-dated gameplay that they have already played.
    The hype for it will die down in a few months or so.
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  • chess1ukb16_ESO
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    ESO is a much better game in many respects but the performance troubles at the moment are making me play less than I otherwise would.
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    wow classic doesnt even have animation cancelling........
  • scorpius2k1
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    ESO is a much better game in many respects but the performance troubles at the moment are making me play less than I otherwise would.

    Same here my friend. I really hope Q4 2019 and 2020 updates really start to bring this game back where it deserves to be.
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  • TheBonesXXX
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    MMOs are dying.
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    WoW is one of the most popular video games in history. Of course a re-release is going to draw a massive crowd.
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    jainiadral wrote: »
    Maybe ESO players are more interested in playing the game rather than watching it.

    Just from the clips I've seen postd on the forums, ESO seems eminently unwatchable. Heck, half the time, the vids feel incomprehensible and I've been playing for a year.

    I don't understand why anyone would watch someone else play an RPG.

    The only streamers I (very rarely) watch are pros in FPS games and MOBAs, and that's strictly to glean strategies and get a sense of the current meta.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 27, 2019 8:51AM
  • jainiadral
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    jainiadral wrote: »
    Maybe ESO players are more interested in playing the game rather than watching it.

    Just from the clips I've seen postd on the forums, ESO seems eminently unwatchable. Heck, half the time, the vids feel incomprehensible and I've been playing for a year.

    I don't understand why anyone would watch someone else play an RPG.

    The only streamers I watch are pros in FPS games and MOBAs, and that's strictly to glean strategies and get a sense of the current meta.

    I used to watch old school Let's Plays every once in a while for choices I'd never make in single-player games I was on the cusp of getting sick of. Been watching a few SWTOR Vulkk vids as new drips of content have been released to see if I might want to resub for a month. I'll sometimes watch streams of games I might be interested in to see how they play. Or if I'm stuck...

    Other than that, I agree with you :D I have zero interest in Twitch personalities.
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    Guild Wars 2 had a really high peak yesterday. Over 20k I believe.

    I was watching the highest number wow stream and it was so boring. The streamer didn't look very excited either. It has to just be a trick of numbers.
    Edited by Red_Feather on August 27, 2019 1:14AM
  • JusticeForJilarga
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    This one thinks it's foolish to compare these two games. They both look and play completely differently to each other. Plus World Of Warcraft is PC only. You can talk to this one about ESO needing to "Do Better" once World Of Warcraft has bothered to do a console release. Besides you can't really compare any game from viewings on a streaming service.
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  • x48rph
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    *sigh* another thread comparing eso to wow....

    I'm not to happy with eso lately for various reasons but that being said it's not that hard to understand, eso was simply announcing an expansion, while that's great, it certainly wasn't enough to get me to actually watch it on twitch.

    Wow Classic on the other hand is releasing a classic version of a game that's almost 3 times the age of eso. It's not really a stretch to figure it would generate many more viewers

    Really in my opinion, your comparing apples to oranges.

    If you were comparing the numbers from a normal WoW expansion to ESO expansion announcement, then maybe it would have some merit
  • dcam86b14_ESO
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    What's WoW?
  • Bouldercleave
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    I'll bet if they re-re-re-release the original Mario Brothers, there would be a TON of nostalgic activity for it as well.


  • YaYaPineapple
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    No one here cares about WOW other than you OP.
  • scorpius2k1
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    x48rph wrote: »
    *sigh* another thread comparing eso to wow....

    I'm not to happy with eso lately for various reasons but that being said it's not that hard to understand, eso was simply announcing an expansion, while that's great, it certainly wasn't enough to get me to actually watch it on twitch.

    Wow Classic on the other hand is releasing a classic version of a game that's almost 3 times the age of eso. It's not really a stretch to figure it would generate many more viewers

    Really in my opinion, your comparing apples to oranges.

    If you were comparing the numbers from a normal WoW expansion to ESO expansion announcement, then maybe it would have some merit

    I respect your opinion, and hopefully you can see my points I am trying to make. I think WoW is an excellent comparison because it is one of ESO's biggest competitors (aside from FFIV). If it helps, prior to any announcement of WoW Classic (or expac) of either game, WoW has vastly more viewership on any given day, so hopefully that is more Apples to Apples. I'm on ESO's side here and want it to succeed just as much if not more than WoW or any other MMO has. ;)
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  • scorpius2k1
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    No one here cares about WOW other than you OP.

    Actually, I don't even play WoW...haven't since about 2008. In fact, I detest it anymore. ESO is my game. My post was simply to imply a logic here, try to see it.
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    x48rph wrote: »
    *sigh* another thread comparing eso to wow....

    I'm not to happy with eso lately for various reasons but that being said it's not that hard to understand, eso was simply announcing an expansion, while that's great, it certainly wasn't enough to get me to actually watch it on twitch.

    Wow Classic on the other hand is releasing a classic version of a game that's almost 3 times the age of eso. It's not really a stretch to figure it would generate many more viewers

    Really in my opinion, your comparing apples to oranges.

    If you were comparing the numbers from a normal WoW expansion to ESO expansion announcement, then maybe it would have some merit

    I respect your opinion, and hopefully you can see my points I am trying to make. I think WoW is an excellent comparison because it is one of ESO's biggest competitors (aside from FFIV). If it helps, prior to any announcement of WoW Classic (or expac) of either game, WoW has vastly more viewership on any given day, so hopefully that is more Apples to Apples. I'm on ESO's side here and want it to succeed just as much if not more than WoW or any other MMO has. ;)

    Sure it has more viewership - it's like watching Saturday morning cartoons. All you need is a bowl of Froot Loops and you are set!
  • scorpius2k1
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    Sure it has more viewership - it's like watching Saturday morning cartoons. All you need is a bowl of Froot Loops and you are set!

    Haha! That cracked me up, this one misses Saturday morning cartoons! :D:D
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