Soul trap really zos?

DRTE · August 2019

Come on guys that dot is far too overpowered when stacking with other ridiculous dots like degen. I know you were trying to standardize dots but this is out of hand for pvp. My tooltips are 30k dot on both soul trap and degeneration. Just stop with the silly changes you'll make this game so boring by allowing such overtuned skills go live.

olsborg · August 2019

DRTE wrote: »

Come on guys that dot is far too overpowered when stacking with other ridiculous dots like degen. I know you were trying to standardize dots but this is out of hand for pvp. My tooltips are 30k dot on both soul trap and degeneration. Just stop with the silly changes you'll make this game so boring by allowing such overtuned skills go live.

Agree wholeheartedly.

WrathOfInnos · August 2019

Tooltips don’t mean much. The ticks are relatively weak unless stacking several DoTs.

SirAndy · August 2019

Yes, please ask ZOS to nerf a solid PvE AOE into the ground because you can't be bothered to stay out of red or purge.

God i hate the fact that ZOS can't figure out how to keep PvP and PvE separated.

Why can't they "balance" things differently between the two?

OG_Kaveman · August 2019

This is exactly why the Tooltips that state "x amount of damage over x seconds" are terrible compared to "x amount of damage every second for x amount of seconds". Like your "ridiculous" 30k tool tip on would trap. That is 3k a second. 1.5k before player mitigation in pvp. Will end up like 1k at best, 300 DPS at worst in PvP.

The Uninvited · August 2019

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Tooltips don’t mean much. The ticks are relatively weak unless stacking several DoTs.

This.

Idinuse · August 2019

DRTE wrote: »

Come on guys that dot is far too overpowered when stacking with other ridiculous dots like degen. I know you were trying to standardize dots but this is out of hand for pvp. My tooltips are 30k dot on both soul trap and degeneration. Just stop with the silly changes you'll make this game so boring by allowing such overtuned skills go live.

Yes. All Stamina DoTs need to be at least halved. ^^b

tonemd · August 2019

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Tooltips don’t mean much. The ticks are relatively weak unless stacking several DoTs.

More effective in non-CP PVP. EVen woks with stam characters. Have been enjoying on my Stam DK with Maelstrom DW, venomous claw, and rending slash

tonemd · August 2019

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DRTE · August 2019

You guys don't see the point. its an absurd amount of free damage while applying pressure, criting with them makes it even more insane. I'm guessing you guys don't pvp much.

Kagukan · August 2019

DoT's are really only bad for players that can't figure out how to counter. From what I have seen many have adapted already and are doing fine in PvP.

Vlad9425 · August 2019

DRTE wrote: »

You guys don't see the point. its an absurd amount of free damage while applying pressure, criting with them makes it even more insane. I'm guessing you guys don't pvp much.

Probably because they love applying OP ranged DOTs while zerg surfing...

max_only · August 2019

Kagukan wrote: »

DoT's are really only bad for players that can't figure out how to counter. From what I have seen many have adapted already and are doing fine in PvP.

Isn’t the counter purge? Have you seen how much that costs for only 3 debuffs?

Or are you saying the counter is a baby Templar in your back pocket?

Or are you saying the counter is the self cast “expunge” from necro that uses health?

When stam characters are also running soul splitting trap maybe it needs a second glance?

DRTE · August 2019

Kagukan wrote: »

DoT's are really only bad for players that can't figure out how to counter. From what I have seen many have adapted already and are doing fine in PvP.

As zergling ball groups sure they have its called purge and heal. Whats the counter for soultrap or degeneration in small scale solo play? To use an over priced purge only to have those dots reapplied 1 sec later. Come on you're obviously a good player to call others bad so you tell me.

DRTE · August 2019

max_only wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

DoT's are really only bad for players that can't figure out how to counter. From what I have seen many have adapted already and are doing fine in PvP.

Isn’t the counter purge? Have you seen how much that costs for only 3 debuffs?

Or are you saying the counter is a baby Templar in your back pocket?

Or are you saying the counter is the self cast “expunge” from necro that uses health?

When stam characters are also running soul splitting trap maybe it needs a second glance?

I'm glad some get it.

DRTE · August 2019

Also the fact that these skills are 2x more powerful than my class dots should be an indication that they are overtuned.

Lokey0024 · August 2019

max_only wrote: »

Kagukan wrote: »

DoT's are really only bad for players that can't figure out how to counter. From what I have seen many have adapted already and are doing fine in PvP.

Isn’t the counter purge? Have you seen how much that costs for only 3 debuffs?

Or are you saying the counter is a baby Templar in your back pocket?

Or are you saying the counter is the self cast “expunge” from necro that uses health?

When stam characters are also running soul splitting trap maybe it needs a second glance?

Isn't it based on your Max stat, physical or spell, as to why Stam classes use it?

max_only · August 2019

They lowered ground aoes like caltrops and endless hail and increase single target aoes like entropy and soul trap.

It’s not black or white, it’s not all or nothing. 0-100. Bring some things up and move some things down. Make it so there is a strategic choice not an obvious choice.

A strategic choice would be “oh I need a ground aoe, a single aoe, a spammable and a heal at minimum, let me choose the stamina skills/morphs for stam character and the Magicka skills/morphs for mag characters.” That takes some thought.

Right now, “everyone use soul splitting trap regardless of build, stats, armor, anything” takes no thought at all.

Edit grammar

Heatnix90 · August 2019

SirAndy wrote: »

Yes, please ask ZOS to nerf a solid PvE AOE into the ground because you can't be bothered to stay out of red or purge.

God i hate the fact that ZOS can't figure out how to keep PvP and PvE separated.

Why can't they "balance" things differently between the two?

Tell me again how easy it is to purge a full debuff bar of DoTs as any stamina class short of Templar and Necromancer, especially ones that are instant with zero travel time.

Or better yet, tell me where the skill is in literally pressing 3-4 buttons and walking/cloaking away while the damage does the work for you.

StormeReigns · August 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

where the skill is in literally pressing 3-4 buttons and walking/cloaking away while the damage does the work for you.

So, ultimately this is a nerf Sorc and NB thread.

DRTE · August 2019

SkerKro wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

where the skill is in literally pressing 3-4 buttons and walking/cloaking away while the damage does the work for you.

So, ultimately this is a nerf Sorc and NB thread.

On what planet is this a nurf sorc or nb thread rofl. This is tone down the overtuned skill thread. If you need soul trap and or degen to play sorc or nb you need to just quit the game now.

StormeReigns · August 2019

DRTE wrote: »

SkerKro wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

where the skill is in literally pressing 3-4 buttons and walking/cloaking away while the damage does the work for you.

So, ultimately this is a nerf Sorc and NB thread.

On what planet is this a nurf sorc or nb thread rofl. This is tone down the overtuned skill thread. If you need soul trap and or degen to play sorc or nb you need to just quit the game now.

Or, hear me out, I know it might be hard for many of you, but give it a chance first before knee-jerking, use your counters and L2P.

Banana · August 2019

Ruin Pve and pvp seperatly please.

Sanctum74 · August 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Yes, please ask ZOS to nerf a solid PvE AOE into the ground because you can't be bothered to stay out of red or purge.

God i hate the fact that ZOS can't figure out how to keep PvP and PvE separated.

Why can't they "balance" things differently between the two?

Tell me again how easy it is to purge a full debuff bar of DoTs as any stamina class short of Templar and Necromancer, especially ones that are instant with zero travel time.

Or better yet, tell me where the skill is in literally pressing 3-4 buttons and walking/cloaking away while the damage does the work for you.

I've just learned to ignore people that say purge. They either play in a "small" group of 24 or have absolutely no idea about the amount of status effects, defuffs, and dots a person can have on them at one time.

Spamming an expensive skill 2-4 times hoping it purges the effect you want just to get reapplied again is not very effective.

Don't worry next patch they will probably nerf dots by 50% and then rebuff aoe's by 50%. There is no rhyme or reason just random changes for no reason.

DRTE · August 2019

Banana wrote: »

Ruin Pve and pvp seperatly please.

Really if you need this to pve properly you just shouldn't be playing. What a joke of an answer.

ArchMikem · August 2019

Did PvPers suddenly forget about their purges? Just because theres a new combo you cant outheal doesnt mean its unfair.

ccfeeling · August 2019

I thought ZOS just modified the whole game base on PVP feedback ?

DRTE · August 2019

Gebus people defending this s#@t are you guys joking or actually serious. Really are against solo players and small scale players. what purge you expect us to use as said before an over priced skill to purge only to find those same dots straight back on. If thats the case i want a dot immunity for 5s after purge cast.

SirAndy · August 2019

DRTE wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Ruin Pve and pvp seperatly please.

Really if you need this to pve properly you just shouldn't be playing. What a joke of an answer.

And what exactly do you know about the state of PvE?

DRTE · August 2019

A lot more than you if you're defending a skill that for 5 years was never used and people never complained about. Now that its overtuned oh its needed for pve and the "you darn pvp players ruining my stuff get over it." Its not balanced in any sense of the word. That goes for pvp and pve.

StormeReigns · August 2019

DRTE wrote: »

i want

it's not all about you.