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give limited craftbag to everyone, say 20 of each item and remain unlimited for eso+. it's time.
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YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.
AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free.
Since you say it doesn't affect you at all, why don't you let non-subscribers worry about their own problems (or lack thereof). Stay in your lane.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.
AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free.
I didn't miss that statement.
But it begs the question: since you're a subscriber, why do you even care?
Who are you trying to get this for or are you hoping to eventually get increased as a free thing so you can cancel your subscription?
Has to be a personal reason because otherwise why would you care?
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✭✭✭✭The Craft Bag is their paid solution to the problem they made and continue worsening with each addition of style mats/materials/etc.
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✭✭✭I don't see how anyone would unsub over people getting a free version that only holds 20 of each item. That isn't something that would really help a crafter like the plus version does. It would however allow new players to see how convenient the craft bag can be. Especially not knowing what to do with the odd materials they come across while learning when bag space is at an all time low.
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Satanas✭✭✭No, if you want the craft bag (and all the other benefits that come with ESO+) pay for it like everyone else.
You do realise that ESO+ pays for the games upkeep right?
I love this kind of messages.
It is not because some of the players are not stupids that they become parasites.
The price of the subscription is completely overvalued.
You know that by buying the dlcs you also contribute to the game and even there they make a comfortable margin!
The worst part is you know that you are taking eso + just for the inventory ... A little too expensive don't you think ?1 -
Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.
AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free.
I didn't miss that statement.
But it begs the question: since you're a subscriber, why do you even care?
Who are you trying to get this for or are you hoping to eventually get increased as a free thing so you can cancel your subscription?
Has to be a personal reason because otherwise why would you care?
Well, that bugs you huh? Too bad.0 -
No, if you want the craft bag (and all the other benefits that come with ESO+) pay for it like everyone else.
You do realise that ESO+ pays for the games upkeep right?
I love this kind of messages.
It is not because some of the players are not stupids that they become parasites.
The price of the subscription is completely overvalued.
You know that by buying the dlcs you also contribute to the game and even there they make a comfortable margin!
The worst part is you know that you are taking eso + just for the inventory ... A little too expensive don't you think ?
This one disagree. The Extra Bank space, Craft Bag, Double Furnishings all the DLC and 10% extra XP make this well worth the money! The monthly allotment of crowns make it a bargain!Edited by JusticeForJilarga on August 22, 2019 2:19AMLeader Of The Children Of Razum Dar Guild (Khajiit Guild) on All 6 MegaServers
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Satanas✭✭✭This one disagree. The Extra Bank space, Craft Bag, Double Furnishings all the DLC and 10% extra XP make this well worth the money! The monthly allotment of crowns make it a bargain!
You only see what you want to see.
The craft bag wasn't included in the original subscription. It's the same case with space in house.
When you have all dlcs include, crowns are virtually useless.
What can you buy ? Cosmetics and useless other things wich are most expensive that a dlc ? You don't see where is the trap ?
Are you not chocking by a npc merchant at 5000 crowns versus a big dlc like orsinium at 3000 crowns ?
The craft bag has been added in order to incite players to buy eso+.
So, you have to consider that the true product of Zenimax are dlcs. And, contrary to what you say it's not a bargain.
If you calculate how much is the cost of dlcs in a year you will fall from your chair.
I don't have to precise that eso is a buy to play and not a subscription mmo since 2015. Eso+ is just a parallele way to play eso but spending more money.
It's supposed to be a bonus, not THE BEST VERSION TO PLAY.Edited by Satanas on August 22, 2019 9:41AM0 -
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✭✭This one disagree. The Extra Bank space, Craft Bag, Double Furnishings all the DLC and 10% extra XP make this well worth the money! The monthly allotment of crowns make it a bargain!
You only see what you want to see.
The craft bag wasn't included in the original subscription. It's the same case with space in house.
When you have all dlcs include, crowns are virtually useless.
What can you buy ? Cosmetics and useless other things wich are most expensive that a dlc ? You don't see where is the trap ?
Are you not chocking by a npc merchant at 5000 crowns versus a big dlc like orsinium at 3000 crowns ?
The craft bag has been added in order to incite players to buy eso+.
So, you have to consider that the true product of Zenimax are dlcs. And, contrary to what you say it's not a bargain.
If you calculate how much is the cost of dlcs in a year you will fall from your chair.
I don't have to precise that eso is a buy to play and not a subscription mmo since 2015. Eso+ is just a parallele way to play eso but spending more money.
It's supposed to be a bonus, not THE BEST VERSION TO PLAY.
More like craft bag was added to eso plus to keep us subscribe as did this not happenwhen zos moved over to this chapter format2 -
Satanas✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
More like craft bag was added to eso plus to keep us subscribe as did this not happenwhen zos moved over to this chapter format
And ?Edited by Satanas on August 22, 2019 10:31AM0 -
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✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
More like craft bag was added to eso plus to keep us subscribe as did this not happenwhen zos moved over to this chapter format
And ?
Just saying that it wasn't just the answer that you put1 -
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✭✭Darkenarlol wrote: »another beggar thread
don't waste your and our time
go sub allready
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Satanas✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »
More like craft bag was added to eso plus to keep us subscribe as did this not happenwhen zos moved over to this chapter format
And ?
Just saying that it wasn't just the answer that you put
I can write a line that is irrelevant in the context too, you know ?
Zenimax does not sell pastrami soooo :
"Nooooo you're wrong 'cause I have the truth !!!"
Your message is an opinion, not a fact. It's an interpretation. It's not a problem if you have an argumentation behind it. It's not the case.
You put a sentence on this discussion and we don't know where you go with it. Futhermore, because you are thinking that you are right on one little point wich is at 200 000 light years of my central arguments, you think that I'm wrong and you are right ?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
Which would totally matter if zeni were a charity. But since they are a for-profit corporation beholden to their board, whose primary interest is profitability, it would be a really dumb business decision to reduce the primary reason that most people subscribe.
They do offer free eso+ weekends a few times a year which lets non subscribers fill their crafting bag for free. With a little planning you can keep using those mats until the next free trial, and keep your inventory clear.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
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✭Yea let's take away one if the main reason ppl sub, that will help secure funds to pay the devs to work on eso.IGN: Ki'rah
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✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
Clearly your deranged or got out of the bed the wrong side this morning
I'm used to angry fanboys, enjoy yourself but before that, remember that I did not insult you and you never really answered my arguments.
P.S. : unfortunately for you, despite the modification of your message, the original is in my quote ...
No you didn't insult but instead were confrontation instead with your replies and by what I can see it's not just my posts it's with others to , my guess because they dont pair with your beliefs, p.s: you stated that ! The craft bag has been added in order to incite players to buy eso+.
Is that fact !!! Or you just guessing that .
And the only thing I commented on was the above statement that it was probably a combination of both your statement and what I posted that the craft bag probably was a perk to keep some of the eso plus players but you seem to take that conversation and drag that off in god knows what direction, my guess is your used to getting you're way in life
You can reply to this but as I've ignored you I dont really care0 -
This one disagree. The Extra Bank space, Craft Bag, Double Furnishings all the DLC and 10% extra XP make this well worth the money! The monthly allotment of crowns make it a bargain!
You only see what you want to see.
The craft bag wasn't included in the original subscription. It's the same case with space in house.
When you have all dlcs include, crowns are virtually useless.
What can you buy ? Cosmetics and useless other things wich are most expensive that a dlc ? You don't see where is the trap ?
Are you not chocking by a npc merchant at 5000 crowns versus a big dlc like orsinium at 3000 crowns ?
The craft bag has been added in order to incite players to buy eso+.
So, you have to consider that the true product of Zenimax are dlcs. And, contrary to what you say it's not a bargain.
If you calculate how much is the cost of dlcs in a year you will fall from your chair.
I don't have to precise that eso is a buy to play and not a subscription mmo since 2015. Eso+ is just a parallele way to play eso but spending more money.
It's supposed to be a bonus, not THE BEST VERSION TO PLAY.
Just because the Craft bag and Extra Furnishing wasn't in the original subscription, doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist in the new subscription. Elder Scrolls Online is a game that evolves over time. The craft bag is more of a premium then a necessity.
If you have no need for crowns then this one doesn't know what to tell you. This one would ask if you even looked in the crown store but JusticeForJilarga is guessing you don't want anything they offer. If someone wants to buy a merchant for 5K crowns then they should be able to. If they feel like the ability to summon it anywhere is worth is This one feels like they should be able to buy it. You don't need the Summonable merchant to sell stuff regular merchants are still around.
This one hates to disappoint you but Zenimax is a company that exists to make money. If they can do something to make the Subscription more worth signing up for they will do it. The Craft bag adds another reason to get the subscription along with all the other ones.
It's only a bargain if you are doing it for the other benefits along with the DLC. If you are doing it just for the DLC then you should probably just buy it straight up. Also if you don't think it's worth the money then why are you buying it?
This one disagrees, the crafting bag is just a convenience item. Lots of people have already posted that they have made systems in place so they don't need the Crafting Bag. So you can play the game without the Craft bag. You just need to put some effort into it.Leader Of The Children Of Razum Dar Guild (Khajiit Guild) on All 6 MegaServers
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Satanas✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
No you didn't insult but instead were confrontation instead with your replies and by what I can see it's not just my posts it's with others to , my guess because they dont pair with your beliefs, p.s: you stated that ! The craft bag has been added in order to incite players to buy eso+.
Is that fact !!! Or you just guessing that .
And the only thing I commented on was the above statement that it was probably a combination of both your statement and what I posted that the craft bag probably was a perk to keep some of the eso plus players but you seem to take that conversation and drag that off in god knows what direction, my guess is your used to getting you're way in life
You can reply to this but as I've ignored you I dont really care
Oh, so much drama...
If you look at my first message, you will see that I don't really care about this discussion. I just criticized players here who think that eso+ is the only way to support the game, that eso works thanks to them and that players who do not subscribe are like parasites.
So when you come without any argumentation to tell :
"More like craft bag was added to eso plus to keep us subscribe as did this not happen when zos moved over to this chapter format "
It is irrelevant. And I don't know what is your opinion !Edited by Satanas on August 22, 2019 1:36PM1 -
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✭Stop hoarding mats you don't need. I personally have only had ESO+ for 2 months during my 6 years (ish) playtime of eso. It's not that hard
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psycoprophet✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!Lmao uve met people right? Giving people that dont sub a qol type thing that people who sub get as part of their sub would cause a uproar among the subbers. U would think people would care little and rather more qol things be available to more people but people care little for others playing experience or their situations lol. That would devalue their precious sub in their eyes which is sad and a trivial thing to care about. Look at the post about people making necro's who didnt buy the dlcs. I didn't make one as I wasn't aware of the issue and missed the window but had I bought the dlc for necro it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it became available free as I'd be glad for the peeps that can have it free. I bought thieves guild and some other dlc's if it became available I'd be glad for the players and certainly wouldn't threat quit playing or for a refund lmao people are in a sad state to care about such things concerning a video game. So intitaled cuz they pay 14/month for 50% functional game lol good for u guys
Edited by psycoprophet on August 22, 2019 1:06PM1 -
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✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
No you didn't insult but instead were confrontation instead with your replies and by what I can see it's not just my posts it's with others to , my guess because they dont pair with your beliefs, p.s: you stated that ! The craft bag has been added in order to incite players to buy eso+.
Is that fact !!! Or you just guessing that .
And the only thing I commented on was the above statement that it was probably a combination of both your statement and what I posted that the craft bag probably was a perk to keep some of the eso plus players but you seem to take that conversation and drag that off in god knows what direction, my guess is your used to getting you're way in life
You can reply to this but as I've ignored you I dont really care
Oh, so much drama...
If you look at my first message, you will see that I don't really care about this discussion. I just criticized players here who think that eso+ is the only way to support the game, that eso works thanks to them and that players who do not subscribe are like parasites.
So when you come without any argumentation to tell :
"More like craft bag was added to eso plus to keep us subscribe as did this not happenwhen zos moved over to this chapter format "
It is irrelevant. And I don't know what is your opinion !
So now you openly admit that you're criticising people , oh well if that's where you get your enjoyment good for you0 -
psycoprophet✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!They cant have that for free, I paid for that inventory bag space whaaaaaaaaaa I want a refund! Seriously lol1
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Satanas✭✭✭JusticeForJilarga wrote: »Just because the Craft bag and Extra Furnishing wasn't in the original subscription, doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist in the new subscription. Elder Scrolls Online is a game that evolves over time. The craft bag is more of a premium then a necessity.
I am completely agree with that. And that's the paradoxe. A lot of players subscribe only for it. It's not logic to pay eso+ just for a bonus.If you have no need for crowns then this one doesn't know what to tell you. This one would ask if you even looked in the crown store but JusticeForJilarga is guessing you don't want anything they offer. If someone wants to buy a merchant for 5K crowns then they should be able to. If they feel like the ability to summon it anywhere is worth is This one feels like they should be able to buy it. You don't need the Summonable merchant to sell stuff regular merchants are still around.
You are right, I don't need it. Nobody need it if we think a little...
But, the craft bag is typically a feature which is usually added in games (in the base game).This one hates to disappoint you but Zenimax is a company that exists to make money. If they can do something to make the Subscription more worth signing up for they will do it. The Craft bag adds another reason to get the subscription along with all the other ones.
That is the important point. We have to be agree on one thing. The interests of Zenimax and those of players are not the same. So I ask you : Are you a player or a Zenimax employee ?
I am a player, I pay on this game and I want it to be better. I don't care if the share of Zenimax is not growing.It's only a bargain if you are doing it for the other benefits along with the DLC. If you are doing it just for the DLC then you should probably just buy it straight up. Also if you don't think it's worth the money then why are you buying it?
We are agree BUT I insist on the fact that the price is overvalued. In a company, when you sell subscriptions and add something to it without change the price, it's because the thing you added has no value.
The only thing which cost really something to Zenimax it is the production of dlcs.This one disagrees, the crafting bag is just a convenience item. Lots of people have already posted that they have made systems in place so they don't need the Crafting Bag. So you can play the game without the Craft bag. You just need to put some effort into it.
This fact is not true for new players. And even if 50% of players have made a "system" it's not normal according to me to have to brain a game.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.
AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free.
I didn't miss that statement.
But it begs the question: since you're a subscriber, why do you even care?
Who are you trying to get this for or are you hoping to eventually get increased as a free thing so you can cancel your subscription?
Has to be a personal reason because otherwise why would you care?
Well, that bugs you huh? Too bad.
Nope not bugged in the slightest.
I find it amusing that you're so bugged about something you already pay for not being given as a charity to everyone.
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✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »The biggest problem with crown store & ESO+ is basically a limited option and lack of choice.
The first think I would like to say is - I get it. Game has to make money. But what if some players out there simply buy all chapters and DLCs that come out ? They also support the game. They dont have ESO+ , although they support the game, their gameplay experience is worse. Should this even be a thing ??
This makes no sense. It is rife with choice with the most important choice being you do not have to buy any of it.
It is an amazing choice that you can save a huge heap of money and just buy the DLCs outright which allows one to save cash over the cost of a sub or you can sub and get extra perks. Further, if taking the choice of buying the DLCs outright you can pick and choose which ones you want or buy them all.
It seems to be an oxymoron to suggest this design is limited and offers a lack of choice. Much greater choice than one will find in most games of similar quality.
BTW, do the math for how much buying all the DLCs at full price in a year costs vs subscribing. You will see the difference is pretty stark and why Zos offers the perks they do for ESO+ and that your argument falls apart as a result. Then take into account if someone is patient they can get most of the zone DLCs at a reduce price since Zos tends to slash them during anniversary events.Edited by idk on August 22, 2019 1:45PM1 -
psycoprophet✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!Zen knew the lack of inventory space would be a huge annoyance to players hence the decision to bloat bag space upgrade price aswell as with having the inventory space perk included with the sub forcing people to buy overpriced bag space or sub to avoid the inventory annoyance purposely designed into the core game. Problem is most long time mmo players are left overs from when the genre was actually popular. Most of us are now middle aged or older and have full time jobs and family's and are now casuals. So we either get ripped off buying bag space or pay for a sub that we know we won't have the free time to get close to our money's worth out of it just to avoid a purposely designed annoyance. Most games provide sufficient inventory slots from the get go and upgrades aren't locked behind over priced means to acquire. I totally understand sub payers getting bonus stuff etc but not something so fundamental to the core gameplay as inventory space. Yes buying dlc's make sense over subbing due to the fact ur paying for the extra content when u kno it fits within ur life/playtime at the time as I can purchase it when u kno u have the time to actually play it. Anyway forcing a sub by implementing a purposeful annoyance regarding inventory space into the base game shows where zen as developers priorities lies.2
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