Discontinue PvP indefinitely "please"

Rave the Histborn · August 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

#FACTS ABOUT PVP

1. Smallest part of ESO daily pop

2. Lowest number of ESO * sub

3. Lowest number of whales

4. Reason for the terrible combat balance

5. Toxicity in game

6. Etc etc etc

PvP players must understand 1 thing it’s the CASUALS ,RP and HOUSING crowd that puts the $$$$& in ZOS bank acct.

If they got rid of PvP all together the game would actually flourish just with the Servers,combat balance and less toxic in the game.

Just facts

Can i get a link for these facts?

1. Servers can barely handle what populations there is at prime time. You've clearly have never PVP'd or you'd have seen the 150+ queues on weekends.

2. X

3. I see a lot of well dressed PVPers with some Apex mounts. Maybe PC NA is the only place.

4. I don't like the "combat balance" but the reason for that is your #3. Notice all the meta skill lines now are from guild lines that you can now buy with real $$$. They want that sweet whale $$$ as PVP of course has the "lowest number of whales" as if it were a bad thing.

5. Have you played this game for more than 5 minutes? Cyro is toxic on all the factions, but is it less toxic then Stonefalls /Auridon/Glenumbra zone chats? Is being competitive in PVP worse than what happens in those chats?

You gotta realize a lot of PVP players need a lot of gear from PVE. You think it's just a small population that lives and dies in Cyro and it's not.

"If they got rid of PvP all together the game would actually flourish just with the Servers,combat balance and less toxic in the game.

Not all the "toxic" PVP players would leave ESO though, they'd just be in PVE and they would make it more toxic. Do you even think these points through? What would you do if PVP was gone and they still did nerfs like they did in Scalebreaker to shake up PVE from becoming stale? Who are you going to blame then?

CaffeinatedMayhem · August 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

K, so how about next time someone complains about poor performance in trials, I’ll call on ZOS to just delete PVE because I don’t run trials myself and would rather not read their “whining”? How will that make you feel?

#1 - you might want to take up the "remove PvP" with OP of this thread... and #2 - ok, do a quick forum count of threads complaining about trial performance vs PvP "lag fest" "unbalanced" and let me know the difference will you please?

It's not that the game is perfect, or that both types of gameplay can't exist, it's that one particular group spams the forums constantly over things that affect PvE TOO... but we don't form coordinated spam attacks. Or gripe so much aoubt every little change.

Maybe just maybe, PvP isn't the angels you think they are? Maybe, just maybe, you could realize that to make PvP happy, PvE has lost. Sure, PvP has changed over the years, but the devs have never, ever, removed PvP functionality *to please PvE*. Don't get me started on all the times PvE has lot *specifically to please PvP*.

Rave the Histborn · August 2019

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Maybe just learn to play at an average level? Bgs won't be fun because you'd realize it's not just pvp toxicity and has a lot to do with you, same in Cyro. You should have 0 problems with the pve parts of Cyrodiil, they're PVE aside from Crops, Vaalas, and Bruma, and there's way more PVE in Cyro then the daily repeatable. Have fun though as the problems from PVP are leaking into PVE.

Why? Let me put it this way: Please name even 1 thing PvP world has *lost* to give something to PvE? Let's same some time, the answer is NOTHING. Now, if you really want, I'll list all the things the PvE part of the game has had taken away from us because PvP whined about it. It's a very very long list, and most of it makes PvE tanking much more difficult. Which is why your queue times for dungeons are so long.

Also, you seem unaware that the dailies are camped by gankers, and that's what I'd like to do for AP, not get my ass handed to me by cheater.

It must be nice to live in the part of the game that ZOS treats gently and fixes all bugs with top priority. I'm really sick of PvP griping that they're so "ignored" - simply because content is released for PvE *also.*

PVP players have lost more then PVE ever will. Every time there is a new patch something new is glitched, broken, or unbalanced and it takes forever to get fixed. ZOS has never treated PVP "gently" and there's bugs in there I've been dealing with for 4 years that never get fixed. Let me hit you with reality, PVE makes more money and is the part that gets catered to. If you think otherwise you are delusional.

I would also like to address " most of it makes PvE tanking much more difficult. Which is why your queue times for dungeons are so long."

No, the queue times are because less people find healing/tanking less appealing then being a damage dealer and the lack of that leads to longer queue times along with the LFG being broken and ZOS acknowledging it needing a fix and working on it. I'm sorry you lost your tank runes and you might actually have to learn how to play the game you paid for. God forbid your block costs are now 95% now and not 100% and ZOS doesn't want you to coast through all of the PVE content put out.

Also "dailies are camped by gankers, and that's what I'd like to do for AP, not get my ass handed to me by cheater."

This brings me back to my original point. Get to at least an average level of play, there's more ways to make AP, and as a PVE player that also enjoys PVP, gankers aren't cheating and they aren't as prevalent as you make them out to be.

This reply... this is why this entire thread exists. Because PvP sees themselves as tortured children... forgetting that bugs and glitches affect PvE too. Forgetting that we have bugs around since launch, and they're still there too. Thinking that we get things fixed faster (we don't).

Ok PvP kiddies - keep thinking you're tortured. You lost what? I'm not sure what PvE took from you to make you so mad, or how ZOS didn't cater to your whims enough, or you're mad that PvE exists... ooooook. Sure.

Maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_RichLambert could sometime address PvP and tell them that yes, they are most important and PvE will just nod our heads because we realized this year 1.

How do I think I'm a tortured child? I never said there aren't bugs in PVE, I know there are. You said that ZOS caters to PVP and fixes them all, which is a flat out lie. We do get fixes in PVE much faster though, but you don't actually PVP so you don't know that.

What did you lose in PVE though? What are you unable to adapt to that makes you so mad at PVP players? The rest of the base seems to have no problems with the block glyphs, the stamina regen. There's tons of ways around it.

"or you're mad that PvE exists... ooooook. Sure."

I guarantee I've cleared more vet trials you ever will, I split my time between PVE and PVP though so I actually understand both sides.

DId you just tag 2 GMs XD are you that mad and petty that you need to do that? I mean I guess it makes sense, coming from a person that can't even queue for the 7 day campaign to clear PVE stuff in Cyrodiil.

BigBragg · August 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

#FACTS ABOUT PVP

1. Smallest part of ESO daily pop

2. Lowest number of ESO * sub

3. Lowest number of whales

4. Reason for the terrible combat balance

5. Toxicity in game

6. Etc etc etc

PvP players must understand 1 thing it’s the CASUALS ,RP and HOUSING crowd that puts the $$$$& in ZOS bank acct.

If they got rid of PvP all together the game would actually flourish just with the Servers,combat balance and less toxic in the game.

Just facts

Got some sources for these claims? Typing #FACTS doesn't actually make it so.

geonsocal · August 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

#FACTS ABOUT PVP

1. Smallest part of ESO daily pop

2. Lowest number of ESO * sub

3. Lowest number of whales

4. Reason for the terrible combat balance

5. Toxicity in game

6. Etc etc etc

PvP players must understand 1 thing it’s the CASUALS ,RP and HOUSING crowd that puts the $$$$& in ZOS bank acct.

If they got rid of PvP all together the game would actually flourish just with the Servers,combat balance and less toxic in the game.

Just facts

Aurielle · August 2019

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

K, so how about next time someone complains about poor performance in trials, I’ll call on ZOS to just delete PVE because I don’t run trials myself and would rather not read their “whining”? How will that make you feel?

#1 - you might want to take up the "remove PvP" with OP of this thread... and #2 - ok, do a quick forum count of threads complaining about trial performance vs PvP "lag fest" "unbalanced" and let me know the difference will you please?

It's not that the game is perfect, or that both types of gameplay can't exist, it's that one particular group spams the forums constantly over things that affect PvE TOO... but we don't form coordinated spam attacks. Or gripe so much aoubt every little change.

Maybe just maybe, PvP isn't the angels you think they are? Maybe, just maybe, you could realize that to make PvP happy, PvE has lost. Sure, PvP has changed over the years, but the devs have never, ever, removed PvP functionality *to please PvE*. Don't get me started on all the times PvE has lot *specifically to please PvP*.

Instead of turning this into a petty “us vs them”/“PVPer vs PVEer” argument, your anger should be directed at ZOS. It is NOT OUR FAULT that ZOS does not balance PVE and PVP separately. That is ZOS’s problem. If you’re unhappy with it, don’t attack us — direct your displeasure towards the responsible party, aka the devs who designed the game this way.

Arca94 · August 2019

phwaap wrote: »

According to the PvPers here:
The performance is so terrible it's unplayable.

Even when the performance is "ok", the combat is laughable compared to all those other games out there.

They are all withholding support via ESO+ until you "FIX IT!!!!111" anyhow.

What I see is the squeaky flippin wheel effect:
The forums are filled with their organized yet inactionable rants.

You've slowly degraded UX everywhere with classes based on their incessant whining in feedback threads.

Parts of the economy held hostage to this useless activity.

An entire zone and battlegrounds waiting to be repurposed.

This **** just isn't part of TES, online or off.

So, the obvious answer is to just get rid of it. It's a win-win.

Reading this as a PvP player:

Move along, fellow PvPers nothing to see here!

Jeremy · August 2019

phwaap wrote: »

According to the PvPers here:
The performance is so terrible it's unplayable.

Even when the performance is "ok", the combat is laughable compared to all those other games out there.

They are all withholding support via ESO+ until you "FIX IT!!!!111" anyhow.

What I see is the squeaky flippin wheel effect:
The forums are filled with their organized yet inactionable rants.

You've slowly degraded UX everywhere with classes based on their incessant whining in feedback threads.

Parts of the economy held hostage to this useless activity.

An entire zone and battlegrounds waiting to be repurposed.

This **** just isn't part of TES, online or off.

So, the obvious answer is to just get rid of it. It's a win-win.

lol

I have to admit, you make a compelling argument. I often wonder why I PvP on this game myself, since it's often so stupid with Cyrodil in particular. So there is definitely a masochistic element involved.

I think the key is to treat the PvP on this game like a silly diversion. Just something to mix it up with. Because if you take it too seriously it can be hazardous to your health. This endless quest to make it "balanced" is also quite absurd considering 99% of this game's PvP revolves around which side gangs up on the other side more effectively - which is about as imbalanced as you can possibly get. So if PvPers on this game truly do care so much about "balance" they sure do have a strange way of showing it. Because I frequently have entire armies chasing me down like a pack of wild blood-crazed animals. Yeah, that's real balanced let me tell you...

Vlad9425 · August 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

#FACTS ABOUT PVP

1. Smallest part of ESO daily pop

2. Lowest number of ESO * sub

3. Lowest number of whales

4. Reason for the terrible combat balance

5. Toxicity in game

6. Etc etc etc

PvP players must understand 1 thing it’s the CASUALS ,RP and HOUSING crowd that puts the $$$$& in ZOS bank acct.

If they got rid of PvP all together the game would actually flourish just with the Servers,combat balance and less toxic in the game.

Just facts

These aren't "facts" these are biased claims you are making. This game would not "flourish" if PVP got removed because that would be a significant percentage of the playerbase gone and this game isn't a true Elder Scrolls experience which can solely rely on just PVE content.

Banana · August 2019

A great idea

TBois · August 2019

There are extremists on both sides, as we can see in this thread. I enjoy playing both PvE and PvP. So I hope they don't delete either.

brandonv516 · August 2019

Yes please shut down PvP so I can leave this game for good.

If not, I fear I may be here until the servers shut down.

shaielzafine · August 2019

You guys are assuming that PvPers only PvP. I was a hardcore PvP player and I had 28+ houses, including multiple crown store only ones, not buyable with gold. I also did hm trials and got all my skins including vCR without having to pay for a carry. I did progression on nights when I wasn't on PvP. And I know most PvPers actually do end up pveing, not just for gear but also for story quest time. PvPers have a lot to complain about and it's warranted, and what I've noticed over time is these bugs I've seen in PvP such as sprint bug, stuck in combat, loading screens and rendering issues, crashing when porting - these all started happening in pve as well. Just casually going into big towns I would see the same issues that used to be in Cyrodiil only. Bugs during trials where I can't even cast abilities because skill bars don't work but there's not a zerg around because it's a trial. Everyone is affected and ZOS' response is what? Fixes in 2020? After they already said they're fixing it in April? And before that they said similar things too

a1i3nz · August 2019

Oh god it’s a Care Bear rallying thread

Elder Scrolls ONLINE so they should fix online or take the WHOLE game offline entirely

geonsocal · August 2019

a1i3nz wrote: »

Oh god it’s a Care Bear rallying thread

Elder Scrolls ONLINE so they should fix online or take the WHOLE game offline entirely

you know someone at zenimax is thinking to themselves: thank god they're attacking each other instead of us

ZOS_RogerJ · August 2019

Greetings! We've closed this thread as it violated our community rules around baiting. While we completely understand everyone has their own opinions, thoughts, feelings and even frustrations, we want the forums to be a civil and constructive platform for the game and it's community as a whole.