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How are we dealing with the overnight billionaires? PC-EU
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Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable.
Nope. Billions were stashed, massive amounts of valuable mats were emptied from stores with that duplicate gold. The exploiters will just wait a bit and then make massively even more gold by driving the prices up.
And no, economy is not fine. As a player i have to spend hours to find items i need from stores, often failing. Before this fiasco it was done in few minutes. Economy is far from fine and all the people i know hate this situation.
Duplicate gold exploiters will wait, and make even more gold if ZOS allows them and if some people defend their behaviour and act all "this is fine..".
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Jaensn✭✭✭I think it would be best to allow negative account ballances and then take the gold back that people got unintentionally. If some guild masters end up with a ballance of -300.000.000 (or whatever) gold because they bought houses, gold mats and what not, then it's their problem to deal with. Might need to sell the gold mats cheaper then or start over with a new account.
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daemondamian✭✭✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable.
Nope. Billions were stashed, massive amounts of valuable mats were emptied from stores with that duplicate gold. The exploiters will just wait a bit and then make massively even more gold by driving the prices up.
And no, economy is not fine. As a player i have to spend hours to find items i need from stores, often failing. Before this fiasco it was done in few minutes. Economy is far from fine and all the people i know hate this situation.
Duplicate gold exploiters will wait, and make even more gold if ZOS allows them and if some people defend their behaviour and act all "this is fine..".
You might save time in trying to find exactly what you need for a cheaper price by using:
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search
I often use it if I can't be bothered going from trader to trader and/or want something specifically that I don't want to spend endless hours farming for or don't have the gems to transmute into the preferred trait.
It works both on my pc and on my samsung android phone.3 -
Billdor✭✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »I am yet to see anything official on the matter? since I dont find it fair that most of us who work like slaves to get rich and actually play the game on another level especially when it comes to trading...and then due to this broken system a bunch of nobodies just turn out to be billionaires and since nobody says anything they will keep doing it thus destroying the market with forced inflation worse than it was just done right now? not to mention this is a direct spit in the face to everyone else who is a fair player who always report bugs and doesnt exploit? @ZOS_GinaBruno
This is extreme hyperbole, you don't have to work at all to make gold in this game and overnight billionaires is a massive pathetic example of hyperbole.1 -
Thorvarg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I checked the various (illegal) Goldseller sites. The price for 1 million gold is currently at about 15, - Euro. This means that the largest repayments, with complete sale, bring the appropriate guild leaders 15000, - Euro to 45000, - Euro. Do you think they are worried about possible / imminent sanctions by ZOS?4 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Is it only me, or the global trading house that many people asked for, would be a better trading system than the current one ?
Oh the irony...
No. It would be even worse. Ya it would remove bidding but it would be like every other game then and make it stupid easy to corner rare items4 -
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Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭daemondamian wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable.
Nope. Billions were stashed, massive amounts of valuable mats were emptied from stores with that duplicate gold. The exploiters will just wait a bit and then make massively even more gold by driving the prices up.
And no, economy is not fine. As a player i have to spend hours to find items i need from stores, often failing. Before this fiasco it was done in few minutes. Economy is far from fine and all the people i know hate this situation.
Duplicate gold exploiters will wait, and make even more gold if ZOS allows them and if some people defend their behaviour and act all "this is fine..".
You might save time in trying to find exactly what you need for a cheaper price by using:
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search
I often use it if I can't be bothered going from trader to trader and/or want something specifically that I don't want to spend endless hours farming for or don't have the gems to transmute into the preferred trait.
It works both on my pc and on my samsung android phone.
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Been using that for a long time. Not a solution to the problem that affects the whole market.2 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable.
Nope. Billions were stashed, massive amounts of valuable mats were emptied from stores with that duplicate gold. The exploiters will just wait a bit and then make massively even more gold by driving the prices up.
And no, economy is not fine. As a player i have to spend hours to find items i need from stores, often failing. Before this fiasco it was done in few minutes. Economy is far from fine and all the people i know hate this situation.
Duplicate gold exploiters will wait, and make even more gold if ZOS allows them and if some people defend their behaviour and act all "this is fine..".
That is always the case. Every week the guilds buy up items to inflate them. That is nothing new. The economy is stable. Most prices are both low and high like always. You were too slow to get a deal, which happens all the time too. I, surely, found and bought tempers,along with Rosins, Dreugh wax, Kutas, chromium plates,........... in Windhelm, Stormhaven, and Eldenroot all nice and cheap just like they always are. The sky isn't falling and ZOS already said they're going to track and delete the gold anyway. So please, stop wasting our time with exaggerations.
Try to enjoy actually playing the game. Cheers and best regards.Edited by Arrodisia on August 21, 2019 12:10PM1 -
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✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Is it only me, or the global trading house that many people asked for, would be a better trading system than the current one ?
Oh the irony...
No. It would be even worse. Ya it would remove bidding but it would be like every other game then and make it stupid easy to corner rare items
So stupid easy in fact that despite asking, whenever this spurious argument comes up, for just one piece of evidence it has actually happened (rather than claimed to have happened) no one - in over 5 years - has been able to do so.
When EVERY PLAYER has equal access to market as both a Seller and a Buyer the probability of anyone being able to "corner the market" is exponentially reduced.
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✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »That is always the case. Every week the guilds buy up items to inflate them. That is nothing new. The economy is stable.
Someone needs a primer on economic stability it seems.
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psypanda✭✭✭playing since beta i know that they wont do anything.
maybe (and thats a big maybe) players who havent touched the gold yet will get it removed as it never happened.
i can tell you though that the majority already laundered the gold by buying all kinds of items from different guild stores.
there is NOTHING that ZOS will do.
if you only knew how many dupes/exploits/whatever the game has already seen (nothing special here, any kinda mmo has those) and how they got handled you come to the same conclusion as me
after all those years i'm sitting here wondering how many white knights will show up this time to defend the complete and utter incompetence of ZOSEdited by psypanda on August 21, 2019 12:27PMPresident of the official Lucina Civello Fanclub4 -
daemondamian✭✭✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »daemondamian wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable.
Nope. Billions were stashed, massive amounts of valuable mats were emptied from stores with that duplicate gold. The exploiters will just wait a bit and then make massively even more gold by driving the prices up.
And no, economy is not fine. As a player i have to spend hours to find items i need from stores, often failing. Before this fiasco it was done in few minutes. Economy is far from fine and all the people i know hate this situation.
Duplicate gold exploiters will wait, and make even more gold if ZOS allows them and if some people defend their behaviour and act all "this is fine..".
You might save time in trying to find exactly what you need for a cheaper price by using:
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search
I often use it if I can't be bothered going from trader to trader and/or want something specifically that I don't want to spend endless hours farming for or don't have the gems to transmute into the preferred trait.
It works both on my pc and on my samsung android phone.
orly.jpg
Been using that for a long time. Not a solution to the problem that affects the whole market.
Never said it was a solution to any suggested problem that affects the whole market - merely that it was a tool that might help you save time and to get what you're looking for.
If you're using that tool then you would be less likely to be spending hours to find items from stores, unless they had already been sold and/or were something exceedingly rare or difficult to get in the first place.
I use it and I don't spend hours trying to find items I need unless they had already been sold and/or were something exceedingly rare or difficult to get in the first place.
Yes I repeated myself, just to make the point that either you're not using it properly or the items you wanted had already been sold and/or were something exceedingly rare or difficult to get in the first place.Edited by daemondamian on August 21, 2019 12:41PM1 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »That is always the case. Every week the guilds buy up items to inflate them. That is nothing new. The economy is stable.
Someone needs a primer on economic stability it seems.
All The Best
You seem to have misunderstood. Maybe if you read, and quoted the entire comment, instead of pieces of it, you might get it. The economy is stable because prices of most items are still low, which I did state. You're welcome.
Best regardsEdited by Arrodisia on August 21, 2019 12:50PM0 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭daemondamian wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »daemondamian wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable.
Nope. Billions were stashed, massive amounts of valuable mats were emptied from stores with that duplicate gold. The exploiters will just wait a bit and then make massively even more gold by driving the prices up.
And no, economy is not fine. As a player i have to spend hours to find items i need from stores, often failing. Before this fiasco it was done in few minutes. Economy is far from fine and all the people i know hate this situation.
Duplicate gold exploiters will wait, and make even more gold if ZOS allows them and if some people defend their behaviour and act all "this is fine..".
You might save time in trying to find exactly what you need for a cheaper price by using:
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search
I often use it if I can't be bothered going from trader to trader and/or want something specifically that I don't want to spend endless hours farming for or don't have the gems to transmute into the preferred trait.
It works both on my pc and on my samsung android phone.
orly.jpg
Been using that for a long time. Not a solution to the problem that affects the whole market.
Never said it was a solution to any suggested problem that affects the whole market - merely that it was a tool that might help you save time and to get what you're looking for.
If you're using that tool then you would be less likely to be spending hours to find items from stores, unless they had already been sold and/or were something exceedingly rare or difficult to get in the first place.
I use it and I don't spend hours trying to find items I need unless they had already been sold and/or were something exceedingly rare or difficult to get in the first place.
Yes I repeated myself, just to make the point that either you're not using it properly or the items you wanted had already been sold and/or were something exceedingly rare or difficult to get in the first place.
This exactly. Those are usual occurrences. Blaming it on the small bit of gold that is getting deleted anyway is ridiculous. If anyone bought anything overpriced, they chose to do so, since alternatives were and are still on the market.Edited by Arrodisia on August 21, 2019 12:46PM0 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Is it only me, or the global trading house that many people asked for, would be a better trading system than the current one ?
Oh the irony...
No. It would be even worse. Ya it would remove bidding but it would be like every other game then and make it stupid easy to corner rare items
So stupid easy in fact that despite asking, whenever this spurious argument comes up, for just one piece of evidence it has actually happened (rather than claimed to have happened) no one - in over 5 years - has been able to do so.
When EVERY PLAYER has equal access to market as both a Seller and a Buyer the probability of anyone being able to "corner the market" is exponentially reduced.
All The Best
I will not do your job for you. In fact evidence for this has been presented by several posters using other games global trading systems.
Also it is a well known real life economic concept, so easily manipulated that most functioning governments have regulations specifically written to prevent such monopolization.
May I suggest you take your own advice and review an economic primer.
I will add argument by assertion fails to make your point. Just calling something spurious does not make it so. It does demonstrate your williness to be spurious though in you arguements given the use of your logical fallacy.Edited by Skwor on August 21, 2019 1:20PM5 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?
I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 21, 2019 1:10PM3 -
psypanda✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?
I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).
and here we have our white knight. been waiting for you buddy President of the official Lucina Civello Fanclub9 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?
I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).
and here we have our white knight. been waiting for you buddy
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It wasn't their fault, it was ZoS's.
If ZoS want to claw the gold back, they can try, but they have probably left it too late in most cases, as people have been buying things...
Obviously, ZoS need to make sure it can't happen again.2 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I feel poeple should not be punished exept by removing the gold but only if its still there because it will be he to track lundered gold . Will it be removed from the bank of the guy who happened to sell 10 alloy to a billionaire? Will he get back his alloy in that case? Will the just take the alloy from the billionaire? What if they were used? See more problem for nothing
They should not be punished for it more than that because there was no way to know than bidding on a trader would refund billion on reset a few days later and could not be exploited under the knowlege of the result1 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nafensoriel wrote: »ZOS does nothing = Cash grab! ZOS DOESNT CARE!
ZOS Selectively rolls back gains to what they should have been = CASH GRAB! ZOS DOESNT CARE!
ZOS orders pizza and beer = Cash Grab! ZOS DOESNT CARE!
No matter what they do the forums will paint them like they are all demons from the third layer of hell.
But they are its not liek zos hides the fact they're greedy as hell and don't care about the product unless its losing money4 -
RexyCat✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?
I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).
Who is Kai? Do you have links to that ZoS post?
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All I can think is 'why am I not a billionaire?'
You have to speculate to accumulate.
If you do, in the end someone may mess up, like they have here, and you may get lucky.
Neither am I, by the way.
Fortunately, as long as I can buy most of the plans/furnishings I want to decorate with, I don't care.
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Gariele✭✭✭✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »We still have no proof the numbers are that high. Only one area is the most expensive, and there are only 7 traders on it if I recall. They aren't daft. They wouldn't use the same bid for a lower tier area. It just isn't logical, especially since no one knew what the outcome would be. Even with x4 it doesn't come to a billion. Plus, many guilds lost money because of no refunds, and many had no trader at all. If anything, the guilds need to be compensated for the inconveniences and loses this caused, which wasn't their fault. Besides, it's more than likely too late for a rollback away. Plus, an event was running. Anyone doing vet maelstrom for weapons, new motifs, or even vet anything, or farming skins,...... in the game would lose everything they did. That would impact people who didn't even partake in trading. Take a guess of how players will react to that.
The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable. So, the more likely solution is a patch. So this never happens again. Well, if it's patched correctly. Keep hope alive.
Have fun in the game. Cheers all
It didn’t help some were bragging in guild chats/Discord of the absurd amount that they said they got. It really fueled the fire. That’s where this is coming from.PC/EUWinter Rose Autumn Rose Summer Rose Pacific Rose Midnight RoseRoseESO DiscordRoseESO Website1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
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Let us not forget the EULA specifically warns users against exploiting a bug knowingly. I would say getting millions back in gold you never had is an obvious bug and spending said gold would be knowingly exploiting it.11 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »We still have no proof the numbers are that high. Only one area is the most expensive, and there are only 7 traders on it if I recall. They aren't daft. They wouldn't use the same bid for a lower tier area. It just isn't logical, especially since no one knew what the outcome would be. Even with x4 it doesn't come to a billion. Plus, many guilds lost money because of no refunds, and many had no trader at all. If anything, the guilds need to be compensated for the inconveniences and loses this caused, which wasn't their fault. Besides, it's more than likely too late for a rollback away. Plus, an event was running. Anyone doing vet maelstrom for weapons, new motifs, or even vet anything, or farming skins,...... in the game would lose everything they did. That would impact people who didn't even partake in trading. Take a guess of how players will react to that.
The server economy is just fine. Prices and supplies are pretty much stable. So, the more likely solution is a patch. So this never happens again. Well, if it's patched correctly. Keep hope alive.
Have fun in the game. Cheers all
It didn’t help some were bragging in guild chats/Discord of the absurd amount that they said they got. It really fueled the fire. That’s where this is coming from.
It didn't help, if that was what occurred. Besides, it didn't matter if they bragged or not. By that, I mean bragging isn't really proof of anything. people here are accusing GM's of all kinds of stuff in these threads that never even happened. The extra gold is going to be tracked and removed anyway. So the point is now moot. ZOS already stated it. Most Gm's here say they didn't use it and some never got their gold refunded. I'm more interested in how the devs will stop the trade swap from being a problem again. CheersEdited by Arrodisia on August 21, 2019 1:40PM0 -
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Well, yeah, that is true.
But, we still come back to them getting the gold being ZoS's fault.
So, if the gold can't be clawed back from certain people, do you think they should be banned for spending it, because they knew they shouldn't have been given it?
It's an interesting dilemma.
You're ZoS, you're God of the game, you control everything, you mess up and others benefit and take advantage of it.
Do you: a) Ban them and face the wrath of people saying it is wrong (as you were to blame, originally), or do you: b) Leave it and face the wrath of people saying it's unfair there are now new, exploiting billionaires, when there shouldn't be?
This is why you need truly independent people assessing everything.
Not that that really happens in the real world, most of the time, either.
They pretend it does, but they all know each other...0 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS (Kai) said they'd track the extra gold and delete it.
What more do you want ... ?
I'm quite ashamed by the eager witch hunting the community is showing right now. This is appalling. (And no, I'm not one of those new billionaires).
Who is Kai? Do you have links to that ZoS post?
//RexyCat
He works for ZOS and the link is one of the other many related threads, since some players seem to not know how to discuss the same topic together in one nice neat thread.Edited by Arrodisia on August 21, 2019 1:45PM0