ESO officially coming to Stadia! new fresh servers?

zsban · August 2019

Oh, and the console standard 30FPS does NOT count as "enough FPS"... Before someone brings this up.

Red_Feather · August 2019

Maybe the recent performance timeline was initiated from this. Path of Exile went through performance audits while it was being developed for xbox before an xbox version was publicly revealed.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2019

I don't know if ESO is going to be good on Stadia but Stadia is a great idea if they can get a solid adaption curve, it could end up being the netflix of the gaming industry. I would be happy not to buy another gaming computer again if I could get the same performance anywhere for a few bucks a month, along with the games.

LiquidPony · August 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

you would have to assume that lag would be same or worse but not better or am i wrong? This would probably not be a very attractive proposition for a game that has already performance issues....?

Or is there any scenario where lag could be reduced through stadia?

Also i would have little interest to level 18 characters again to be honest...?

Maybe they try to distribute player load through this and attract new players that arent pre-exposed to the current lag?

Besides, you need to pay stadia besides any cost from the game - so you'd have to potentially pay stadia + eso plus for worse performance?

I only see this interesting for someone new to eso with a very fast internet connection and no hardware... and honestly how relevant is that for most people? Most people that want a high internet speed are usually the type of people that also have a pc or console no?

I do however think that 10 years in the future this will become standard when high speed internet is the standard everywhere and most people will only have screens at home and phones...

Probably depends.

As far as connections go, people have been reporting for quite some time that the primary hiccup in their connection to ZOS is the routing to the Akamai DDoS protection service (which routes all connections to CA or VA before routing to ZOS in TX, or at least did at some point, perhaps there are more locations now).

So if the Stadia route is just user-->Google-->ZOS (bypassing Akamai), the connection could actually be faster, or maybe about the same. Aside from some input lag, of course.

Also, it seems pretty obvious that you would just use the Stadia client to log in to your existing PC/NA (or perhaps also PC/EU) account.

Also, the view of the use-case is rather narrow. It can also be thought of as a supplementary service. Say, I'm on vacation or a business trip and I want to play a game but don't want to drag my gaming PC around with me.

Rave the Histborn · August 2019

Oh amazing, so instead of just consoles knee capping the overall performance of ESO we now have to worry about Stadia's abysmal performance.

nafensoriel · August 2019

PC MMOGs have spent the last two decades trying to centralize servers into mega servers...(including trying to get the consoles to play ball and centralize as well)

Yes. It would be a financially and logically sound strategy for Google to require a new exclusive server for its platform to succeed. /s

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2019

If google could just hollow out and cool a large space at the center of the earth it would be a great place for a mega server.

SpiderCultist · August 2019

the question is: will you need a console controller to play on Stadia?

if so, don't count me in

BigBragg · August 2019

I do hope that Stadia gets it's own servers. I fear that if the service is tied to PC there will be concessions made to make Stadia look better, as well as balance choices that will negatively affect PC players through artificially limiting our game play.

Env_t · August 2019

also Stadia its not just streaming service, cmon guys learn to google

essi2 · August 2019

Env_t wrote: »

this is one question im very excited with - will be there completely new servers where you can start from scratch, or just crossplatform with PC?

https://www.vg247.com/2019/08/19/elder-scrolls-online-mmo-stadia/

Stadia just streams the client, the game servers will be the same.

What servers it can access I don't know, but most likely only the PC-EU and PC-NA server.

Nemesis7884 · August 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

you would have to assume that lag would be same or worse but not better or am i wrong? This would probably not be a very attractive proposition for a game that has already performance issues....?

Or is there any scenario where lag could be reduced through stadia?

Also i would have little interest to level 18 characters again to be honest...?

Maybe they try to distribute player load through this and attract new players that arent pre-exposed to the current lag?

Besides, you need to pay stadia besides any cost from the game - so you'd have to potentially pay stadia + eso plus for worse performance?

I only see this interesting for someone new to eso with a very fast internet connection and no hardware... and honestly how relevant is that for most people? Most people that want a high internet speed are usually the type of people that also have a pc or console no?

I do however think that 10 years in the future this will become standard when high speed internet is the standard everywhere and most people will only have screens at home and phones...

Probably depends.

As far as connections go, people have been reporting for quite some time that the primary hiccup in their connection to ZOS is the routing to the Akamai DDoS protection service (which routes all connections to CA or VA before routing to ZOS in TX, or at least did at some point, perhaps there are more locations now).

So if the Stadia route is just user-->Google-->ZOS (bypassing Akamai), the connection could actually be faster, or maybe about the same. Aside from some input lag, of course.

Also, it seems pretty obvious that you would just use the Stadia client to log in to your existing PC/NA (or perhaps also PC/EU) account.

Also, the view of the use-case is rather narrow. It can also be thought of as a supplementary service. Say, I'm on vacation or a business trip and I want to play a game but don't want to drag my gaming PC around with me.

i can see that...but with regards to the cost the question is if you would want to have it just as a side option

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2019

I think there is a good chance it will be a new stadia specific server, part of the whole stadia appeal is that everyone is playing with the same kit, no bots, no hacks, no mods and since the clients are trusted the servers can have fewer hops. having pc players on the server would mean un-trusted clients.

zaria · August 2019

zsban wrote: »

Oh, and the console standard 30FPS does NOT count as "enough FPS"... Before someone brings this up.

LOL
Perhaps standing still in an small room if you have fiber to an google data center.

You will share the server with other players, yes they are powerful you get an part who is far weaker than an bis level gaming pc, also even if you took one of the Stadia server and used as your gaming pc it would be worse than bis as server cpu runs on lower frequency but more cores and they has to do tricks with the gpu.
In short if you have an decent PC stadia is not for you, if you have an DUL craptop from back then eso launched then perhaps if fiber close to google.

LiquidPony · August 2019

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I think there is a good chance it will be a new stadia specific server, part of the whole stadia appeal is that everyone is playing with the same kit, no bots, no hacks, no mods and since the clients are trusted the servers can have fewer hops. having pc players on the server would mean un-trusted clients.

You wouldn't be using an "un-trusted client", you would simply use the Stadia client to log in to your existing account.

zaria · August 2019

BigBragg wrote: »

I do hope that Stadia gets it's own servers. I fear that if the service is tied to PC there will be concessions made to make Stadia look better, as well as balance choices that will negatively affect PC players through artificially limiting our game play.

Stadia already looks like it will flop so little intensive.
Again if you have an gaming rig Stadia is not for you. If you have an craptop and run on minimum setting while getting crashes and DC while questing then perhaps.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I think there is a good chance it will be a new stadia specific server, part of the whole stadia appeal is that everyone is playing with the same kit, no bots, no hacks, no mods and since the clients are trusted the servers can have fewer hops. having pc players on the server would mean un-trusted clients.

You wouldn't be using an "un-trusted client", you would simply use the Stadia client to log in to your existing account.

I wouldn't be surprised if they duplicated current PC accounts as a one-off like they did with consoles, to a stadia mega-server, but it would defeat one of the core concepts of stadia if the server was cross platform. I'd imagine that's what you must mean. I doubt stadia's eso "mega-server" would be a "fresh-start" server.

majulook · August 2019

If dedicated servers for Stadia then it maybe OK.

If it is just a middleman to a an existing companies game servers, I would expect issues.

CaffeinatedMayhem · August 2019

I wish Stadia would be it's own servers, but no, we will have Stadia people in PC. There is already someone in one of my guilds who plays on a streaming service. He asks for a PC on every.single.thing he picks up, because no addons. "Is there a way I can X? I don't have addons." Tell him to use TTC website? "I'm on my phone."

I do not look forward to more people complaining about lag and the need for addons. Stadia will just make lag worse, and get used to people demanding PCs even more than now. Telling them to get their own MM/TTC/ATT won't work "I stream I can't have addons."

Berserkerkitten wrote: »

I think the most likely scenario is that Stadia users will simply connect to the existing PC servers. I doubt Stadia will attract so many new ESO players that setting up a whole new megaserver for them is really worthwhile.

LiquidPony · August 2019

thatlaurachick wrote: »

I wish Stadia would be it's own servers, but no, we will have Stadia people in PC. There is already someone in one of my guilds who plays on a streaming service. He asks for a PC on every.single.thing he picks up, because no addons. "Is there a way I can X? I don't have addons." Tell him to use TTC website? "I'm on my phone."

I do not look forward to more people complaining about lag and the need for addons. Stadia will just make lag worse, and get used to people demanding PCs even more than now. Telling them to get their own MM/TTC/ATT won't work "I stream I can't have addons."

Berserkerkitten wrote: »

I think the most likely scenario is that Stadia users will simply connect to the existing PC servers. I doubt Stadia will attract so many new ESO players that setting up a whole new megaserver for them is really worthwhile.

GeForce Now supports addon-enabled games (WoW for instance) and uses the Twitch Addon manager.

Certainly possible.

CaffeinatedMayhem · August 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

I wish Stadia would be it's own servers, but no, we will have Stadia people in PC. There is already someone in one of my guilds who plays on a streaming service. He asks for a PC on every.single.thing he picks up, because no addons. "Is there a way I can X? I don't have addons." Tell him to use TTC website? "I'm on my phone."

I do not look forward to more people complaining about lag and the need for addons. Stadia will just make lag worse, and get used to people demanding PCs even more than now. Telling them to get their own MM/TTC/ATT won't work "I stream I can't have addons."

Berserkerkitten wrote: »

I think the most likely scenario is that Stadia users will simply connect to the existing PC servers. I doubt Stadia will attract so many new ESO players that setting up a whole new megaserver for them is really worthwhile.

GeForce Now supports addon-enabled games (WoW for instance) and uses the Twitch Addon manager.

Certainly possible.

I'll send the guy to you, he's annoying af.

Env_t · August 2019

you dont understand guys
Stadia CANT just STREAM ESO, because ESO right now its a server side part, and client side parts

so Stadia must install client side part on their own servers

Bergzorn · August 2019

Maybe ZOS should use Stadia for the server side part of the game.

OrdoHermetica · August 2019

andreasv wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Why new servers? You guys know that stadia is just a streaming service right?
Stadia is just the middleman between your pc and the game.
The thing is, over stadia, your pc specs don't matter that much. Since you play on a computer located at Google.
It is NO SEPERATE PLATFORM.

Just a remote connection. You control another computer. So you can essentially play games on max graphics etc on a slow pc.

This is not even new. Nvidia been doing this for over a year with GeForce Now.
You can actually get free beta access to it. And if you have ESO over steam, you can play it over geforce now. Give it a try. That is what you can expect from stadia aswell.

That's what I thought as well. Until I saw that Destiny 2 players on Stadia will only be able to play with other Stadia users at launch, which sounds like separate servers to me.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-17-destiny-2-google-stadia-players-can-only-play-with-other-stadia-players-at-launch

In that same article, they said there's no technological barrier to cross-play, so I suspect it's a matter of authentication/account management differences than anything. Also, even if ESO uses different servers for Stadia, it's still ESO that's running and managing the servers. Why would they be any different quality-wise from the current servers? After all, ESO on console has just as many problems as ESO on PC when it comes to latency issues.

Env_t · August 2019

Bergzorn wrote: »

Maybe ZOS should use Stadia for the server side part of the game.

will see performance first

richo262 · August 2019

Only good thing to come out of Stadia is a potential Linux version.

Billdor · August 2019

Env_t wrote: »

you dont understand guys
Stadia CANT just STREAM ESO, because ESO right now its a server side part, and client side parts

so Stadia must install client side part on their own servers

IT Professional here.

Stadia is a cloud gaming streaming service. They install the client (which you use on your own PC) and stream the gameplay to you.

Servers are irelevant since it will be using the PC Platform.

Uryel · August 2019

Never heard of Stadia before. Don't think I'll ever hear of it ever again either.

Thorvarg · August 2019

Uryel wrote: »

Never heard of Stadia before. Don't think I'll ever hear of it ever again either.

It's from Google, so you will hear a lot of Stadia.

Uryel · August 2019

Thorvarg wrote: »

Uryel wrote: »

Never heard of Stadia before. Don't think I'll ever hear of it ever again either.

It's from Google, so you will hear a lot of Stadia.

Fair enough, I'll hear of it. I just don't expect it to set a trend and become a major thing. Kinda like their "Google+" thing that died of by itself. I might be wrong, of course.