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Do Sword-Singer bows exist?
SydneyGrey
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I couldn't find one anywhere, and then found an old thread somewhere that said they were taken out of the game. Whut.
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kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They should not drop at this time, as they cannot benefit at all from the 5th piece set bonus. It's possible someone has unbound old pieces in inventory but there aren't likely to be many.Edited by kringled_1 on August 20, 2019 3:31PM0 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
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But they would still benefit from the max stamina, weapon damage and weapon critical that the set also provides.kringled_1 wrote: »They should not drop at this time, as they cannot benefit at all from the 5th piece set bonus. It's possible someone has unbound old pieces in inventory but there aren't likely to be many.
It would be nice if you could use a bow on your back bar just like with any other stamina set.
Edited by SydneyGrey on August 20, 2019 4:18PM0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
But they would still benefit from the max stamina, weapon damage and weapon critical that the set also provides.kringled_1 wrote: »They should not drop at this time, as they cannot benefit at all from the 5th piece set bonus. It's possible someone has unbound old pieces in inventory but there aren't likely to be many.
It would be nice if you could use a bow on your back bar just like with any other stamina set.
You can just run any random bow that has a 2-piece Weapon Critical bonus and get the exact same stats since the 5-piece bonus of Sword-Singer is useless on your bow bar.
Or you could run something that has a different bonus if you prefer it (like an Agility bow).5 -
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✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
But they would still benefit from the max stamina, weapon damage and weapon critical that the set also provides.kringled_1 wrote: »They should not drop at this time, as they cannot benefit at all from the 5th piece set bonus. It's possible someone has unbound old pieces in inventory but there aren't likely to be many.
It would be nice if you could use a bow on your back bar just like with any other stamina set.
You get two of those without the bow.
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rabidmyers✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »What would be the point of running a Sword-Singer bow?
to get the weapon crit bonus on the backbar ; )at a place nobody knows0 -
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✭✭rabidrufus64 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »What would be the point of running a Sword-Singer bow?
to get the weapon crit bonus on the backbar ; )
Just use a bow with Weapon Crit as it's 2pc0 -
zsban✭✭✭✭Craft yourself a Hundings Rage bow and you'll get the same 4th piece bonus.
Actually, you might be better off replacing Sword-Singer entirely with Hunding's Rage in your case:
Hunding's Rage:
2 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
3 Items: Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
4 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
5 Items: Adds 299 Weapon Damage
Sword-Singer:
2 Items: Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
3 Items: Adds 129 Weapon Damage
4 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
5 Items: Adds 450 Weapon Damage to your Two Handed abilities.
You would get the same 1096 max stamina, twice the weapon crit (2x833 instead of 833) and you would get more weapon damage (299 instead of 129).
The only drawback would be that on your front bar you'd have more crit instead of 129 weapon damage. Depending on your build and rotation, might not be a big issue. (The extra crit from sword singer would only be marginally useful if you spend enough time on your back bar anyway, and if you would spend say 50% of your time there, the 299 weapon damage would be on average 148 more, still sounds better than Sword-Singer to me.)Edited by zsban on August 20, 2019 4:53PM2 -
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✭✭I run Sword Singer on my 2H character, but the weapons are Hunding's. SS is two body items, and jewels. I didn't even consider using an SS sword.0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭rabidrufus64 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »What would be the point of running a Sword-Singer bow?
to get the weapon crit bonus on the backbar ; )
... which you can get from literally any set that has a 2-piece Weapon Critical bonus.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My point was if you were using a Sword-Singer 2H weapon on your front bar 90% of the time, but just wanted a bow for the back bar just to use occasionally, you could still get more of a bonus than if you just used some random bow on the back bar, which would then only count as a 2-item bonus and not a 4-item bonus (as I would also be using three pieces of Sword-Singer jewelry). In other words, you'd still get the bonuses as if you had four pieces of the set, even though the bonus that's specifically for 2H weapons couldn't be used for the bow.
What I mean is, here are the stats for Sword-Singer:
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 450 Weapon Damage to your Two Handed abilities.
So the bow would be able to use the first three bonuses. If it existed.
Hope that made sense.
But, I understand what you are all saying.
Anyway, I guess I'll just get rid of my Sword-Singer weapons, since they seem to be useless unless you want a 2H on both bars.
The only reason I wanted a Sword-Singer bow in the first place is because I wanted to pair it with a farmed dungeon set that I have, and I was only able to find one weapon for that dungeon set, so I couldn't use it for the weapon slots. Guess I just need to farm the dungeon some more.
(Edited for clarity, since apparently I'm typing like a drunken monkey right now.)Edited by SydneyGrey on August 20, 2019 5:31PM0 -
r3turn2s3nd3r✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »you could still get more of a bonus than if you just used some random bow on the back bar, which would then only count as a 2-item bonus and not a 4-item bonus (as I would also be using three pieces of Sword-Singer jewelry). In other words, you'd still get the bonuses as if you had four pieces of the set, even though the bonus that's specifically for 2H weapons couldn't be used for the bow.
No, you wouldn't get anymore bonuses, that's what everyone is pointing out:
Front Bar while using Sword Singer:
Sword-Singer:
2 Items: Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
3 Items: Adds 129 Weapon Damage
4 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
5 Items: Adds 450 Weapon Damage to your Two Handed abilities.
Back Bar while using Sword Singer (assuming you had bow):
2 Items: Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
3 Items: Adds 129 Weapon Damage
4 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
5 Items: Not in effect while on back bar, so this doesn't exist
Front Bar while using Sword Singer:
Sword-Singer:
2 Items: Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
3 Items: Adds 129 Weapon Damage
4 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
5 Items: Adds 450 Weapon Damage to your Two Handed abilities.
Back Bar while using Sword Singer Jewelry and Hundings Bow:
2 Items: Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
3 Items: Adds 129 Weapon Damage
2 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical (Hunding Bow)
It would be exactly the same.2 -
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✭LiquidPony wrote: »What would be the point of running a Sword-Singer bow?
Not that it's a very good reason, but it would buff your Rally ticks while on the bow bar, no? A 2 piece 4% healing taken / received or Agility bow may be stronger for this purpose however, not sure.Edited by Urzigurumash on August 20, 2019 5:33PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
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You are correct. Perhaps I just wasn't seeing it quite clearly. Thanks.r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »It would be exactly the same.
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✭✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »My point was if you were using a Sword-Singer 2H weapon on your front bar 90% of the time, but just wanted a bow for the back bar just to use occasionally, you could still get more of a bonus than if you just used some random bow on the back bar, which would then only count as a 2-item bonus and not a 4-item bonus (as I would also be using three pieces of Sword-Singer jewelry). In other words, you'd still get the bonuses as if you had four pieces of the set, even though the bonus that's specifically for 2H weapons couldn't be used for the bow.
What I mean is, here are the stats for Sword-Singer:
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 450 Weapon Damage to your Two Handed abilities.
So the bow would be able to use the first three bonuses. If it existed.
Hope that made sense.
But, I understand what you are all saying.
Anyway, I guess I'll just get rid of my Sword-Singer weapons, since they seem to be useless unless you want a 2H on both bars.
The only reason I wanted a Sword-Singer bow in the first place is because I wanted to pair it with a farmed dungeon set that I have, and I was only able to find one weapon for that dungeon set, so I couldn't use it for the weapon slots. Guess I just need to farm the dungeon some more.
(Edited for clarity, since apparently I'm typing like a drunken monkey right now.)
But, as others have explained, having the bow on the back bar is irrelevant.
The important part is the 4th and 5th bonus, as the 2-3 are always "on" since they are on your jewelry:
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 450 Weapon Damage to your Two Handed abilities.
On your front bar, your two hander, you gain the 4th and 5th piece bonus, alongside the 2 and 3.
On you back bar, the bow, if you had a SS bow, you gain the 4th and 5th bonus, alongside the 2 and 3. BUT, the 5th piece bonus is useless for that bar because you can't use any two hander skills on it and bow/class skills don't take the buff.
So you are only benefiting from the 4th piece bonus on your back bar. Which, as others have pointed out, can be accomplished by slotting a Hunding's Rage bow back bar:
Hunding's Rage:
2 Items: Adds 833 Weapon Critical
So, for a bar setup, you would have 3 jewelry SS, a two hand SS sword front bar, and a Hunding's rage bow back bar. On your back bar, you still benefit from the 2-3 bonus from the SS jewelry, but now you gain the "4th piece" bonus from sword singer from your 2 piece bonus of Hundings Rage.0 -
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✭So you are only benefiting from the 4th piece bonus on your back bar.
Like I said, it would buff Rally ticks on your bow bar, and you wouldn't lose anything compared to running a Hunding's bow. Surely an Arena bow would be preferable, of course, but it would be something not completely useless in the meantime.
Edit: Not sure if Rally even gives healing ticks anymore in Scalebreaker, but what I've said is true for Console live anyhow.
Edited by Urzigurumash on August 20, 2019 5:47PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »So you are only benefiting from the 4th piece bonus on your back bar.
Like I said, it would buff Rally ticks on your bow bar, and you wouldn't lose anything compared to running a Hunding's bow. Surely an Arena bow would be preferable, of course, but it would be something not completely useless in the meantime.
Except, Rally no longer provides a heal over time. So it won't do anything.0 -
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✭Except, Rally no longer provides a heal over time. So it won't do anything.
Yeah I just edited. I thought Rally had retained the HoT. Pity
Reading the new tool tip, I guess if the final second of Rally happened while you were on your bowbar, a Sword Singer bow would buff that? That's an awfully narrow purpose obviously
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✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Except, Rally no longer provides a heal over time. So it won't do anything.
Yeah I just edited. I thought Rally had retained the HoT. Pity
Reading the new tool tip, I guess if the final second of Rally happened while you were on your bowbar, a Sword Singer bow would buff that? That's an awfully narrow purpose obviously
Yeah, to be fair, I wouldn't even run the Hunding's bow in the OP's situation. The extra line of crit on the back bar isn't going to matter too much. I'd run a bow that provides a healing bonus or a line of resources. Maybe max mag for an extra cloak on the back bar. Or stam recovery. Since the majority of your damage is going to be front bar on a sword singer build, having the extra resources to buff up or evade on the back bar is far more beneficial that maintaining the crit chance.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You will not get benefit from the 5-piece bonus, so your real comparison is 4 piece bonus of Sword Singer versus 2-piece bonus of any other set.
If you ran an Agility Bow on backbar, you would get 1451 max stamina from 2 piece bonus. That is probably better than the 833 weapon crit from 4 piece bonus of a hypothetical Sword-Singer bow. The standard 1096 max stamina set bonus is generally considered weaker than the standard weapon crit set bonus, but 1451 max stamina might be best flat stat bonus you can get from 2-pieces. Don't forget that Master/VMA Bows are 2-piece sets, as well. No stat bonus to compare, but the buffs to Poison Arrow and Volley are both very good and persist when you are on 2H bar.0 -
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✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »You will not get benefit from the 5-piece bonus, so your real comparison is 4 piece bonus of Sword Singer versus 2-piece bonus of any other set.
If you ran an Agility Bow on backbar, you would get 1451 max stamina from 2 piece bonus. That is probably better than the 833 weapon crit from 4 piece bonus of a hypothetical Sword-Singer bow. The standard 1096 max stamina set bonus is generally considered weaker than the standard weapon crit set bonus, but 1451 max stamina might be best flat stat bonus you can get from 2-pieces. Don't forget that Master/VMA Bows are 2-piece sets, as well. No stat bonus to compare, but the buffs to Poison Arrow and Volley are both very good and persist when you are on 2H bar.
Good call. Or scrap the whole Sword Singers thing and run Leviathan, which has a bow
(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 1924 Weapon Critical
EDIT: Missing a bow on a set isn't the end of the world. Advancing Yokeda doesn't have a bow and its still one of the top performing sets. Just find a bow that will go with what you are trying to accomplish. A VO bow is a solid option. I'm guessing you are a Stam DK. Check out a build called the "Claw of the Mad God." You could probably adapt it to your 2H model. It also gives some utility to the Asylum Bow. Some utility. Its not a VMA or Master's Bow.Edited by El_Borracho on August 20, 2019 6:44PM0 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »What would be the point of running a Sword-Singer bow?
To get the 4th set bonus when swapping bars maybe to save some gold or avoid farming dungeons, the problem is everyone would decon the bow as they wouldn't sell in a guild stores so you'd probably just have to pick another guild slot as the flex piece,0
