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KappaKid83
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We are now almost 48 hours past the time where the trade guild bug happened and the EU server members have not gotten one concrete piece of info or an update from a single Dev. It is not Gina's job to be the only one to post on these forums but it seems like she is the only one to give us a heads up on anything today(while trying to get a passport to get to gamescom all day today mind you). The silence is deafening from everyone, besides Gina, who has a hand in developing this game. You expect to keep rolling in money from the larger of the 2 servers you have but you won't address a problem you created and wouldn't listen to long time GMs stating how this could be an issue. Now you have 100s of millions, if not billions, of gold in the hands of already rich players who can easily manipulate your markets to the point where the casuals you cater to won't be able to afford a thing. The game is turning into a meme and it's sad and the team should be ashamed of the performance they continue to ignore but continue to put out update after update.
Edited by KappaKid83 on August 20, 2019 12:08PM 33
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Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭Yah. I play on EU and it is a serious issue. All the gold lost and no guild traders
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usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Communicate what, exactly?
They clearly don't have a working fix action (else it would have been communicated like they have done countless times in the past), nor do they have a clear understanding of what's wrong (else it would have been communicated like they have done countless times in the past).
There isn't anything to communicate. Gold duplication is the product, not the problem.0331
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Gariele✭✭✭✭✭This coming Sunday is going to be lit.PC/EUWinter Rose Autumn Rose Summer Rose Pacific Rose Midnight RoseRoseESO DiscordRoseESO Website10 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »There's always stable and balanced PvP...
I literally saw so many disconnects tonight in PC-NA Kaalgrontiid it was ridiculous. Whole groups just standing and then getting dragon leaped while disconnecting, it was funny and heart breaking at the same time.5 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭They gonna pack few blades to the con lolBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so do i understand this right that people could get a trader for 10k and basically gotten back the gold that other guilds bid for that trader? So you bid 10k and got back 5 Million or something?
Cant they just take a look at the money flows pre / post bid and revert them?0 -
Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Insert appropriate response
They ...
a) Don't care
b) Don't know how to fix it
c) Are hoping it will just go away
d) Are packing for a holidayEdited by Ryath_Waylander on August 20, 2019 5:37AM9 -
Daedric_NB_187✭✭✭✭✭Ryath_Waylander wrote: »Insert appropriate response
They ...
a) Don't care
b) Don't know how to fix it
c) Are hoping it will just go away
d) Are packing for a holiday
I vote E) All of the above12 -
Brodda✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »so do i understand this right that people could get a trader for 10k and basically gotten back the gold that other guilds bid for that trader? So you bid 10k and got back 5 Million or something?
Cant they just take a look at the money flows pre / post bid and revert them?
It was a problem with multi-bidding system. You bid on multiple trader positions and in theory you get refunded for the positions you didn't get (worked fine for NA). But besides being refunded quadruple amounts (so we are talking billions here, not millions for the largest trade guilds) the initial bid results did not stick. People could walk up to the specific trader and hire him/her for 10k.
Majority of the guilds that got the massive gold influx, already exploited it and bought up everything that is trending with sales. The result is evident, if you look up the dreugh wax for example, on TTC website] (EU server).
So aside from rollback, I really can't see how they could fix this.3 -
Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »
I wonder how many cheerleading groups they hired this time for the conference.Edited by Chicharron on August 20, 2019 5:48AM8 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, just as I wrote about the necro debacle when scale breaker launched.
Exploit as fast as it comes up. And you win. That is the lesson zos wants to teach us. Since nothing is done about these things.8 -
EllieBlue✭✭✭✭Can we please, at the very least, get Guild History back? There are already enough problem for trading guilds and GMs to deal with without the need to add more to the pile. Please.Nirn Traders GM (est 2015)
PC EU
Semi-retired. Playing games for fun. Super casual.5 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »so do i understand this right that people could get a trader for 10k and basically gotten back the gold that other guilds bid for that trader? So you bid 10k and got back 5 Million or something?
Cant they just take a look at the money flows pre / post bid and revert them?
It was a problem with multi-bidding system. You bid on multiple trader positions and in theory you get refunded for the positions you didn't get (worked fine for NA). But besides being refunded quadruple amounts (so we are talking billions here, not millions for the largest trade guilds) the initial bid results did not stick. People could walk up to the specific trader and hire him/her for 10k.
Majority of the guilds that got the massive gold influx, already exploited it and bought up everything that is trending with sales. The result is evident, if you look up the dreugh wax for example, on TTC website] (EU server).
So aside from rollback, I really can't see how they could fix this.
Yes some guilds gained gold, but many directly lost gold, and lost sales too. Too much happens on the servers within 2 days and all other progress would be lost if a rollback were done. It may be too late to roll back at this point. The only thing they can really do for sure to resolve the issue is to make sure it doesn't happen again, and compensate those who lost out somehow. One of the players posted the TTC link in these threads, and the prices are still mixed both high and low. My guilds are still selling at normal prices. The market will stabilize itself after the issue has been fixed, and guilds will return to their normal routines imho. Let's see how it goes. Keep hope alive.
Best RegardsEdited by Arrodisia on August 20, 2019 8:15AM3 -
Brodda✭✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »so do i understand this right that people could get a trader for 10k and basically gotten back the gold that other guilds bid for that trader? So you bid 10k and got back 5 Million or something?
Cant they just take a look at the money flows pre / post bid and revert them?
It was a problem with multi-bidding system. You bid on multiple trader positions and in theory you get refunded for the positions you didn't get (worked fine for NA). But besides being refunded quadruple amounts (so we are talking billions here, not millions for the largest trade guilds) the initial bid results did not stick. People could walk up to the specific trader and hire him/her for 10k.
Majority of the guilds that got the massive gold influx, already exploited it and bought up everything that is trending with sales. The result is evident, if you look up the dreugh wax for example, on TTC website] (EU server).
So aside from rollback, I really can't see how they could fix this.
Yes some guilds gained gold, but many directly lost gold, and lost sales too. Too much happens on the servers within 2 days and all other progress would be lost if a rollback were done. It may be too late to roll back at this point. The only thing they can really do for sure to resolve the issue is to make sure it doesn't happen again, and compensate those who lost out somehow. One of the players posted the TTC link in these threads, and the prices are still mixed both high and low. My guilds are still selling at normal prices. The market will stabilize itself after the issue has been fixed, and guilds will return to their normal routines imho. Let's see how it goes. Keep hope alive.
Best Regards
I agree it's a bit late for rollback now. However, I don't think the market will recover anytime soon (without intervention from ZOS that is). The influx of gold was truly massive and that gold is now is circulation (most of it anyway).
The effects might be gradual, but there will be consequences, if no action is taken. I hope I am wrong ...1 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
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PvP [x]
Housing [x]
PvE pending
Fashion pending
Achievements pending
Place your bets ladies and gentlemen, what will ZOS ruin next?This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.12 -
Delpi✭✭✭✭✭This is just unacceptable. EU server, as always, we are the peasants."I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee..."3 -
DragonRacer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The ridiculously pessimistic side of me wonders if this, actually, is their plan to "fix" the dying PC EU servers that cannot handle the strain of all the players.
Just let everything break all to hell to the point that players leave in droves.
Problem solved - less players, less server strain.
/sarcasm
PS5 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 500+). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer136 -
LeglessUK✭✭✭All this talk about how zos was going to communicate more, what a joke, they've just buried their heads in the sand hoping that everyone will forget about it and move along, very disappointing 6 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DragonRacer wrote: »The ridiculously pessimistic side of me wonders if this, actually, is their plan to "fix" the dying PC EU servers that cannot handle the strain of all the players.
Just let everything break all to hell to the point that players leave in droves.
Problem solved - less players, less server strain.
/sarcasm
While obviously unlikely as you indicate I am puzzled. A full business day is more than enough time to at least craft a message of intent on what to expect to resolve this major issue.
I get sometimes silence is safest in a business crisis but not when the issues get this big. Silence now only serves to create a message of indifference and contempt.Edited by Skwor on August 20, 2019 11:27AM3 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »so do i understand this right that people could get a trader for 10k and basically gotten back the gold that other guilds bid for that trader? So you bid 10k and got back 5 Million or something?
Cant they just take a look at the money flows pre / post bid and revert them?
It was a problem with multi-bidding system. You bid on multiple trader positions and in theory you get refunded for the positions you didn't get (worked fine for NA). But besides being refunded quadruple amounts (so we are talking billions here, not millions for the largest trade guilds) the initial bid results did not stick. People could walk up to the specific trader and hire him/her for 10k.
Majority of the guilds that got the massive gold influx, already exploited it and bought up everything that is trending with sales. The result is evident, if you look up the dreugh wax for example, on TTC website] (EU server).
So aside from rollback, I really can't see how they could fix this.
All of the wax being listed at 7700+ is outrageous, what in the actual hell.1 -
Kosbert✭✭It's funny, before every maintenance I ask "What excuse will Gina Bruno send out today again?" But now, we are even above the apology, we are in the denial phase.2
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✭DragonRacer wrote: »The ridiculously pessimistic side of me wonders if this, actually, is their plan to "fix" the dying PC EU servers that cannot handle the strain of all the players.
Just let everything break all to hell to the point that players leave in droves.
Problem solved - less players, less server strain.
/sarcasm
I doubt it. I'm just a casual PvE player and, to be honest, if I hadn't read it here, I wouldn't have known anything was wrong at all by just playing the game. I did notice a couple of trade spots don't actually have much for sale, but then I went looking specifically. It hasn't stopped me doing daily writs, daily quests, hunting dragons, doing dolmens, delves and dungeons and generally enjoying myself.
I would think most causal PvE players who don't read this forum would have much the same experience.
Not that any of that means it doesn't need fixing, it does, obviously.4 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭DragonRacer wrote: »The ridiculously pessimistic side of me wonders if this, actually, is their plan to "fix" the dying PC EU servers that cannot handle the strain of all the players.
Just let everything break all to hell to the point that players leave in droves.
Problem solved - less players, less server strain.
/sarcasm
I doubt it. I'm just a casual PvE player and, to be honest, if I hadn't read it here, I wouldn't have known anything was wrong at all by just playing the game. I did notice a couple of trade spots don't actually have much for sale, but then I went looking specifically. It hasn't stopped me doing daily writs, daily quests, hunting dragons, doing dolmens, delves and dungeons and generally enjoying myself.
I would think most causal PvE players who don't read this forum would have much the same experience.
Not that any of that means it doesn't need fixing, it does, obviously.
I think this may be the mindset going into this. Now I get that most MMOs have 75-80% casuals and 20-25% grinders with like 2-5% of that percentage of grinders being content creators, but if you only always catered to casual players I believe your game would die. The more you peeve off the people who spend hours and hours in game and create the content that gets seen on youtube, twitch, mixer, etc., the less content is out there and the less your game is seen overall. To be quite honest if I didn't follow the forums or actually go out and follow the social media accounts i don't feel like i would see any marketing for this game, it just seems non-existent compared to other franchises.1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »The ridiculously pessimistic side of me wonders if this, actually, is their plan to "fix" the dying PC EU servers that cannot handle the strain of all the players.
Just let everything break all to hell to the point that players leave in droves.
Problem solved - less players, less server strain.
/sarcasm
I doubt it. I'm just a casual PvE player and, to be honest, if I hadn't read it here, I wouldn't have known anything was wrong at all by just playing the game. I did notice a couple of trade spots don't actually have much for sale, but then I went looking specifically. It hasn't stopped me doing daily writs, daily quests, hunting dragons, doing dolmens, delves and dungeons and generally enjoying myself.
I would think most causal PvE players who don't read this forum would have much the same experience.
Not that any of that means it doesn't need fixing, it does, obviously.
I think this may be the mindset going into this. Now I get that most MMOs have 75-80% casuals and 20-25% grinders with like 2-5% of that percentage of grinders being content creators, but if you only always catered to casual players I believe your game would die. The more you peeve off the people who spend hours and hours in game and create the content that gets seen on youtube, twitch, mixer, etc., the less content is out there and the less your game is seen overall. To be quite honest if I didn't follow the forums or actually go out and follow the social media accounts i don't feel like i would see any marketing for this game, it just seems non-existent compared to other franchises.
The problem is casuals are not the revenue generator for an mmo. Usually that falls onto to fanbois, hardcore gamers and content creators.
The very group being alienated.
Hell I am not an EUpc player and I am outraged over this. Basically NA is a bad day away from a major gameplay shattering event given the recent issues on EU.
Honestly it gives me pause as to wether or not another more reliable developer's game might be a better investment to avoid this kind of confusion in my life.
There are several long term mmos out there that have not had these kind of issues or even have but also have a track record of fixing it right.
EQ1 and 2 are examples of one.Edited by Skwor on August 20, 2019 12:05PM3
