Gotcha thx. I was figuring that Warden or maybe Necro was gonna be the way to go.

Cool, thx

Ty

Runefang wrote: »

Elemental Succession will be better than Ysgramor albeit much harder to farm. Iceheart is the natural pick of monster helms. Personally I'd pick a Master's Ice Staff though and run Elemental Succession and Winterborne.

Generic Ice Damage Skills:

1. Destructive Reach
2. Blockade
3. Icy Rage
4. Ice Comet

Necromancer Ice Damage Skills:

1. Glacial Colossus
2. Boneyard

Warden Ice Damage Skills:

1. Northern Storm
2. Winter's Revenge

What's the Elemental Succession cool down? Because it states

(5 items) Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you gain 550 Spell Damage for that element for 4 seconds. This effect can occur every 4 seconds per element. You can have multiple different elemental buffs active simultaneously.

So when expires at 4th second is triggered again at the 5th second, or have to wait 4 seconds?
If the latter, then pointless set, Julianos is better.

If not, then I see appliances for Sorcerer & DK builds instead of Siroria, or Spell Strategist.
Albeit not for Templar which damage is over 70% Magic based and not Elemental.

Warden with 5 x Mothers Sorrow, 5 x Winterborn and 2 x iceheart. Fun to play and even competitive dps.

I'd like to get people's hopes up since next patch is the class passive audit focus and CP is being looked at as a whole. I see Warden's "Ice Magic" future a little bit brighter.

Let me explain:

Imo, a big issue with why class passives/skills seem lack luster in comparison to universal dots this patch is because there is very little synergy with built in class passives to warrant differences between classes. Now that skill damage/cost/type has been standardized, class skills have fallen slightly behind for a generic dot meta.

How do you fix this:

CP and passives. Both of which are being looked at as we speak which can't be a coincidence, ZOS has to be aware of the circumstances from the dot changes they made.. CP offers a lot of damage to all types of damage, making class passives like increased Shock damage for Sorc or Increased Frost/Magicka damage for Warden's lack luster in the bigger picture. Passives like +6% Magicka/Frost damage for wardens could be buffed to +12% if CP multipliers were completely replaced with some type of Perk system. The point is, if the passive damage CP offered was removed and placed back in to the classes, we could have stronger synergy with specific damage types.

This gives reasons for classes to actually choose abilities outside their class that compliment the classes inherit theme. Since ZOS is unrelenting in the idea that Frost = Tanking, Warden with their +12-15% Frost damage would remain as the defacto Frost mage. Even ZOS knew Frost/Magicka does less than Shock/Fire etc, by offering it 6% instead of the typical 5%, I'd argue this isn't enough, but the groundwork is there.

Maybe an in class Ice sustain synergy would be nice like DK's Poison/Fire Consumption passive or something like Burning Light for Templars.

Spell Crafting could add more Ice abilities now that standards are set and passives are being looked at.

So yeah a lot of hope, but no clear evidence if that's the direction they're going. Not really playing this patch, just looking forward to future changes and where the combat balance is heading as a whole. BL3 is only a month away so I'll be busy this quater anyway..

Overall though, it's nice to see Mag Warden's get Soul Trap, Entropy and Frost Reach as strong dot's usable to them (+6% Mag/Frost Damage).

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Elemental Succession will be better than Ysgramor albeit much harder to farm. Iceheart is the natural pick of monster helms. Personally I'd pick a Master's Ice Staff though and run Elemental Succession and Winterborne.

Generic Ice Damage Skills:

1. Destructive Reach
2. Blockade
3. Icy Rage
4. Ice Comet

Necromancer Ice Damage Skills:

1. Glacial Colossus
2. Boneyard

Warden Ice Damage Skills:

1. Northern Storm
2. Winter's Revenge

What's the Elemental Succession cool down? Because it states

(5 items) Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you gain 550 Spell Damage for that element for 4 seconds. This effect can occur every 4 seconds per element. You can have multiple different elemental buffs active simultaneously.

So when expires at 4th second is triggered again at the 5th second, or have to wait 4 seconds?
If the latter, then pointless set, Julianos is better.

If not, then I see appliances for Sorcerer & DK builds instead of Siroria, or Spell Strategist.
Albeit not for Templar which damage is over 70% Magic based and not Elemental.

Juli is more consistent but gives less dps overall. Sucession from my testing is better for all kinds of elements. It pairs amazing with force pulse.

I do know how sets work. Asked about the downtime timer of the set.

Julianos sure is great set, but when you are doing a certain amount of damage only, and there are sets buffing that certain damage, then they are better

My Magplar is using War Maiden, for a Mag Templar where all but 2 spells aren't Magic damage, is a boon.
Losing 170 Spell damage, and gaining 400 Magic Damage. A big trade off.

Similarly a Sorcerer who's only doing Shock damage (idk why would do other type of damage), the Elemental Succession if it doesn't have cool down, is a boon to use. Instead of the more complex Siroria.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Elemental Succession will be better than Ysgramor albeit much harder to farm. Iceheart is the natural pick of monster helms. Personally I'd pick a Master's Ice Staff though and run Elemental Succession and Winterborne.

Generic Ice Damage Skills:

1. Destructive Reach
2. Blockade
3. Icy Rage
4. Ice Comet

Necromancer Ice Damage Skills:

1. Glacial Colossus
2. Boneyard

Warden Ice Damage Skills:

1. Northern Storm
2. Winter's Revenge

What's the Elemental Succession cool down? Because it states

(5 items) Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you gain 550 Spell Damage for that element for 4 seconds. This effect can occur every 4 seconds per element. You can have multiple different elemental buffs active simultaneously.

So when expires at 4th second is triggered again at the 5th second, or have to wait 4 seconds?
If the latter, then pointless set, Julianos is better.

If not, then I see appliances for Sorcerer & DK builds instead of Siroria, or Spell Strategist.
Albeit not for Templar which damage is over 70% Magic based and not Elemental.

Juli is more consistent but gives less dps overall. Sucession from my testing is better for all kinds of elements. It pairs amazing with force pulse.

I do know how sets work. Asked about the downtime timer of the set.

Julianos sure is great set, but when you are doing a certain amount of damage only, and there are sets buffing that certain damage, then they are better

My Magplar is using War Maiden, for a Mag Templar where all but 2 spells aren't Magic damage, is a boon.
Losing 170 Spell damage, and gaining 400 Magic Damage. A big trade off.

Similarly a Sorcerer who's only doing Shock damage (idk why would do other type of damage), the Elemental Succession if it doesn't have cool down, is a boon to use. Instead of the more complex Siroria.

Sorry i meant to say Ysgramors. Not julianos. The downtime of the set is 1s. Not very long at all and not really noticible either.

Runefang wrote: »

Elemental Succession will be better than Ysgramor albeit much harder to farm. Iceheart is the natural pick of monster helms. Personally I'd pick a Master's Ice Staff though and run Elemental Succession and Winterborne.

Generic Ice Damage Skills:

1. Destructive Reach
2. Blockade
3. Icy Rage
4. Ice Comet

Necromancer Ice Damage Skills:

1. Glacial Colossus
2. Boneyard

Warden Ice Damage Skills:

1. Northern Storm
2. Winter's Revenge

I'd not run a master's ice staff. As it no longer does a spammable's standard of damage. Elemental weapon or Force Pulse are fantastic options for a frost mage when it comes to spammables. When it comes to the theme argument i like Elemental Weapon better it also gives spell orbs and an even better block. But Force Pulse does some great Cleave damage and is a natural proccer of Elemental Succession.

MashmalloMan wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I'd like to get people's hopes up since next patch is the class passive audit focus and CP is being looked at as a whole. I see Warden's "Ice Magic" future a little bit brighter.

Let me explain:

Imo, a big issue with why class passives/skills seem lack luster in comparison to universal dots this patch is because there is very little synergy with built in class passives to warrant differences between classes. Now that skill damage/cost/type has been standardized, class skills have fallen slightly behind for a generic dot meta.

How do you fix this:

CP and passives. Both of which are being looked at as we speak which can't be a coincidence, ZOS has to be aware of the circumstances from the dot changes they made.. CP offers a lot of damage to all types of damage, making class passives like increased Shock damage for Sorc or Increased Frost/Magicka damage for Warden's lack luster in the bigger picture. Passives like +6% Magicka/Frost damage for wardens could be buffed to +12% if CP multipliers were completely replaced with some type of Perk system. The point is, if the passive damage CP offered was removed and placed back in to the classes, we could have stronger synergy with specific damage types.

This gives reasons for classes to actually choose abilities outside their class that compliment the classes inherit theme. Since ZOS is unrelenting in the idea that Frost = Tanking, Warden with their +12-15% Frost damage would remain as the defacto Frost mage. Even ZOS knew Frost/Magicka does less than Shock/Fire etc, by offering it 6% instead of the typical 5%, I'd argue this isn't enough, but the groundwork is there.

Maybe an in class Ice sustain synergy would be nice like DK's Poison/Fire Consumption passive or something like Burning Light for Templars.

Spell Crafting could add more Ice abilities now that standards are set and passives are being looked at.

So yeah a lot of hope, but no clear evidence if that's the direction is where they're going. Not really playing this patch, just looking forward to future changes and where the combat balance is heading as a whole. BL3 is only a month away so I'll be busy this quater anyway..

Overall though, it's nice to see Mag Warden's get Soul Trap, Entropy and Frost Reach as strong dot's usable to them (+6% Mag/Frost Damage).

Okay so i think that cp and passive balancing may help us quite a bit but a major problem is our lack of frost dps skills and dps skills in general on our class. We've got 4 damage skills and most are basic raw damage. An ice sustain passive isn't needed on warden at all in my opinion. Our sustain is fantastic and thats just another copy of dk's passive. However. Targeting chilled on warden is the right idea. By giving wardens a unique damage related bonus against chilled enemies, it will make our element feel more unique and fun and put emphasis on our frost mage theme ensuring that we are a defacto frost mage. But we still lack that 1 defining frost dps skill such as a proc skill. I'm of the mind that ZOS needs to finish the class they started. But I'd still absolutely take Spell Crafting.

Of course, just spit balling really, my point is those passives introduce interesting ways to play with your classes theme and damage type, be it fire, poison, etc. They are well designed and I would appreciate seeing more passives like them, instead of like -6% cost reduction for Sorcs, etc.

Imagine a Frostbite passive which introduces a 4s dot anytime you proc chilled akin to the Flame Burning Status effect. That would be beautiful to see on the class and make it feel unique.

With passives that Synergized in this way, Spell Crafting could introduce more Ice abilities that no other class would use, it would be a small bandaid fix, but I'd prefer it over nothing if they are unwilling to update any other class skills to frost.

They could update a Fetcher morph to do Frost damage with execute damage attached, that would kill 2 birds with 1 stone and they did mention in one of the pts patch notes that they were reviewing this ability for next udpate, I'll see if I can find it.

This is what I remember reading:

"Growing Swarm’s target cap removal is causing issues with performance when used in tandem with specific combinations of sets and passives. The target cap will be reinstated in a future PTS as a stop gap until the morph undergoes some design changes for a future update. "

So not exactly what I was hoping for, still, a new morph other than aoe damage would be nice.

MashmalloMan wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I'd like to get people's hopes up since next patch is the class passive audit focus and CP is being looked at as a whole. I see Warden's "Ice Magic" future a little bit brighter.

Let me explain:

Imo, a big issue with why class passives/skills seem lack luster in comparison to universal dots this patch is because there is very little synergy with built in class passives to warrant differences between classes. Now that skill damage/cost/type has been standardized, class skills have fallen slightly behind for a generic dot meta.

How do you fix this:

CP and passives. Both of which are being looked at as we speak which can't be a coincidence, ZOS has to be aware of the circumstances from the dot changes they made.. CP offers a lot of damage to all types of damage, making class passives like increased Shock damage for Sorc or Increased Frost/Magicka damage for Warden's lack luster in the bigger picture. Passives like +6% Magicka/Frost damage for wardens could be buffed to +12% if CP multipliers were completely replaced with some type of Perk system. The point is, if the passive damage CP offered was removed and placed back in to the classes, we could have stronger synergy with specific damage types.

This gives reasons for classes to actually choose abilities outside their class that compliment the classes inherit theme. Since ZOS is unrelenting in the idea that Frost = Tanking, Warden with their +12-15% Frost damage would remain as the defacto Frost mage. Even ZOS knew Frost/Magicka does less than Shock/Fire etc, by offering it 6% instead of the typical 5%, I'd argue this isn't enough, but the groundwork is there.

Maybe an in class Ice sustain synergy would be nice like DK's Poison/Fire Consumption passive or something like Burning Light for Templars.

Spell Crafting could add more Ice abilities now that standards are set and passives are being looked at.

So yeah a lot of hope, but no clear evidence if that's the direction is where they're going. Not really playing this patch, just looking forward to future changes and where the combat balance is heading as a whole. BL3 is only a month away so I'll be busy this quater anyway..

Overall though, it's nice to see Mag Warden's get Soul Trap, Entropy and Frost Reach as strong dot's usable to them (+6% Mag/Frost Damage).

Okay so i think that cp and passive balancing may help us quite a bit but a major problem is our lack of frost dps skills and dps skills in general on our class. We've got 4 damage skills and most are basic raw damage. An ice sustain passive isn't needed on warden at all in my opinion. Our sustain is fantastic and thats just another copy of dk's passive. However. Targeting chilled on warden is the right idea. By giving wardens a unique damage related bonus against chilled enemies, it will make our element feel more unique and fun and put emphasis on our frost mage theme ensuring that we are a defacto frost mage. But we still lack that 1 defining frost dps skill such as a proc skill. I'm of the mind that ZOS needs to finish the class they started. But I'd still absolutely take Spell Crafting.

Of course, just spit balling really, my point is those passives introduce interesting ways to play with your classes theme and damage type, be it fire, poison, etc. They are well designed and I would appreciate seeing more passives like them, instead of like -6% cost reduction for Sorcs, etc.

Imagine a Frostbite passive which introduces a 4s dot anytime you proc chilled akin to the Flame Burning Status effect. That would be beautiful to see on the class and make it feel unique.

With passives that Synergized in this way, Spell Crafting could introduce more Ice abilities that no other class would use, it would be a small bandaid fix, but I'd prefer it over nothing if they are unwilling to update any other class skills to frost.

They could update a Fletcher morph to Frost Flies with execute damage, that would kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

I think that you can't exactly kill two birds with that frozen rock. You'll kill one with a fix for warden's desire of a smaller execute not reliant on a bear, but you also have bugs which may be really bizzarre to some people who want to build a frost mage. So it may significantly injure the other bird. Not killing it but leaving a satisfactory result.

A frost damage passive similar to templar's would be interesting but i wouldn't want to rob them of uniqueness.

When it comes to warden's passives there are some really bad ones in winter's embrace. Icy aura is near useless and frozen armor isn't strong enough. Glacial presence is the perfect passive to give a new effect boosting magden's damage against chilled enemies. I've spoken to Gilliam about this and he wasn't against the general idea. Maybe we will see something relating to it. Hopefully. Icy aura needs to be redone though.

One thing i hate in warden's passives are that a lot of them require specific class skills to be slotted. I think they really need to stop that. Since next patch is reportedly the passive related patch, i can predict that warden might recieve some needed changes. But I'd only ever see it effecting healers and tanks positively while reducing our dps again. I think they will change piercing cold to boost the spell damage of frost and magic damage instead of a % boost. But they'll do it in a way that makes it slightly weaker since they think that dps warden is overpowered.

Btw I’m also looking theme with this, like snow and ice everywhere.

jazsper77 wrote: »

Btw I’m also looking theme with this, like snow and ice everywhere.

Running our ideas should work well for you then.

For casual content without a healer, this settup is very fun. You can swap ice fortress for polar wind if you want a frosty looking heal.

Fb: Elemental Weapon, Frost Reach, Inner Light/Degeneration/Frost Pulsar, Deep Fissure, Bird of Prey, Northern Storm

Bb: Winter's Revenge, Unstable wall of Frost, Crystallized Slab/Shimmering Shield, Ice Fortress/Polar Wind, Blue Betty, Ice Comet/Icy Rage.

ccfeeling wrote: »

Elemental Succession
(5 items) Whenever you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you gain 550 Spell Damage for that element for 4 seconds. This effect can occur every 4 seconds per element. You can have multiple different elemental buffs active simultaneously.

Ysgramor's Birthright
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Frost Damage abilities.

ZOS buffed ES with this patch , it's really fun set for specific elemental build , ES uptime can be 100% with the right skill loadout

Fire
Elemental Succession + BSW

Ice
Elemental Succession + Ysgramor's Birthright

Shock
Ysgramor's Birthright + Netch's Touch

Could do that. But could also use better sets than ysgramors.