Ice Mage

FR0STDEE

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

FR0STDEE wrote: »

even competitive dps.

Wouldn't go that far haha.

"Competitive" is a score running thing.

Yeah I mean competitive as in score running and it works well.

tsaescishoeshiner

Spinner's is also something I would consider, since you have so much damage potential coming from Winterborn that Ysgramor's won't help with. As long as you're under like 11-12k penetration, you won't overpenetrate in dungeons (could redistribute CP out of penetration and into Frost/DoT's, direct damage, light attacks etc).

I think Necropotence actually adds more (or the same amount) to Frost damage spells than Ysgramor's, but also buffs shalks

I'm also considering running force pulse since it's our only spammable to proc Winterborn with ice damage (and will proc Frost enchants well) - haven't tried it yet! I've also found Nerien'eth works great with force pulse since it deals 3 direct damage instances (helps Iceheart for the same reason). Nerien'eth also benefits from Warden passives, and is super fun with Winterborn because ice crystals and lich crystals just keep popping up on people lol

ESO_Nightingale

FR0STDEE wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

FR0STDEE wrote: »

even competitive dps.

Wouldn't go that far haha.

"Competitive" is a score running thing.

Yeah I mean competitive as in score running and it works well.

No. it would not be acceptable in score running. not in the least. it would work well enough in vet dungeons, as most things do.

ESO_Nightingale

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Spinner's is also something I would consider, since you have so much damage potential coming from Winterborn that Ysgramor's won't help with. As long as you're under like 11-12k penetration, you won't overpenetrate in dungeons (could redistribute CP out of penetration and into Frost/DoT's, direct damage, light attacks etc).

I think Necropotence actually adds more (or the same amount) to Frost damage spells than Ysgramor's, but also buffs shalks

I'm also considering running force pulse since it's our only spammable to proc Winterborn with ice damage (and will proc Frost enchants well) - haven't tried it yet! I've also found Nerien'eth works great with force pulse since it deals 3 direct damage instances (helps Iceheart for the same reason). Nerien'eth also benefits from Warden passives, and is super fun with Winterborn because ice crystals and lich crystals just keep popping up on people lol

you can use Elemental Weapon with your ice staff. it just adds magic damage to your frost damage light attack and will proc winterborn just fine. Nerin'eth may work decently on a frostden but i don't know if i'd use it still. radius is quite small. which is off-put by our snaring and immobilisation, and it's also not really frost related.

daemondamian

Emmagoldman wrote: »

You could go winterborn

And icy conjuror back bar
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Icy+Conjuror+Set

Need to put ele drain to proc

Front bar
Brp destro
https://eso-sets.com/set/perfect-wild-impulse

Gives you 2 others dots

I was thinking of trying out icy conjurer with winterborn on my new alt char I'm leveling up atm (Jötunniel Frost-Heart) but I'm not sure if the damage and penetration would compensate for the loss of damage a set like julianos or mothers sorrow would give instead overall?

The other possible set I thought of using with winterborn is ice furnace which would give some crit and spell damage but apparently it doesn't proc off Ice Heart's damage, Wall of Elements, Ice Comet, Impaling Shards, or Arctic Blast only heavy and light attacks from a frost staff?

Plus it causes fire damage not frost and is a heavy set so you'd have to farm jewelry and staves.

Would a set increasing magic damage also increase frost damage or not?

Currently wearing mother's sorrow and farming war maiden while leveling up.

ESO_Nightingale

daemondamian wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

You could go winterborn

And icy conjuror back bar
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Icy+Conjuror+Set

Need to put ele drain to proc

Front bar
Brp destro
https://eso-sets.com/set/perfect-wild-impulse

Gives you 2 others dots

I was thinking of trying out icy conjurer with winterborn on my new alt char I'm leveling up atm (Jötunniel Frost-Heart) but I'm not sure if the damage and penetration would compensate for the loss of damage a set like julianos or mothers sorrow would give instead overall?

The other possible set I thought of using with winterborn is ice furnace which would give some crit and spell damage but apparently it doesn't proc off Ice Heart's damage, Wall of Elements, Ice Comet, Impaling Shards, or Arctic Blast only heavy and light attacks from a frost staff?

Plus it causes fire damage not frost and is a heavy set so you'd have to farm jewelry and staves.

Would a set increasing magic damage also increase frost damage or not?

Currently wearing mother's sorrow and farming war maiden while leveling up.

okay, so i'd not recommend Icy Conjuror, Ice Furnace, Frozen Watcher or Ysgramor's Birthright(this one hasn't been tested yet but reports are it's not as good as elemental succession. it's also not as good as sorrow or false god which buffs shalks and degeneration if you're using them)

Reasons why:

Conjuror: it's a nice DoT but has a long cooldown and it only hits 1 target. this is bad because in a boss fight there may be many trash mobs that will be getting chilled. it means you cannot guarantee your ice wraith will be going at the intended target. it may be wasted on a small trash mob meaning you have to wait for several seconds for it to occur again.

Ice Furnace: it's damage is pitifully bad and only normally procs off of light attacks. don't use it.

Frozen Watcher: doesn't do enough damage, requires block and gives max stam. but it looks sweet af.

your best bet for fun is to combine iceheart and winterborn with a good damage set like sorrow(most dps on our parses), false god(best sustain and second best dps) or necropotence.

Banana

Ice heart. My favourite by a mile for solo

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

jazsper77 wrote: »

Good afternoon! Looking to see what class would be best currently for a Ice/Frost mage theme build.

I have the sets I want to use
5xYsgramor
5x Winterborne
Not sure on monster set

Strictly for Overland/PVE and normal trials.
*NOT FOR VET CONTENT- so please hold the it won’t stuff.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/449521/viable-pve-dps-ice-build

Have a look here, search for the post from @JazzyNapkin
40K dps with Siroria as of last December. Tbh I do not see any issue why not do same damage today with some tweaking, and the Champion system max stat changes, and I will do something like that this week myself and try it with the Elemental Succession set.

ESO_Nightingale

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

Good afternoon! Looking to see what class would be best currently for a Ice/Frost mage theme build.

I have the sets I want to use
5xYsgramor
5x Winterborne
Not sure on monster set

Strictly for Overland/PVE and normal trials.
*NOT FOR VET CONTENT- so please hold the it won’t stuff.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/449521/viable-pve-dps-ice-build

Have a look here, search for the post from @JazzyNapkin
40K dps with Siroria as of last December. Tbh I do not see any issue why not do same damage today with some tweaking, and the Champion system max stat changes, and I will do something like that this week myself and try it with the Elemental Succession set.

@JazzyNapkin is who I've been getting my information from. he has been posting parses on the frost discord and in my discord pms recently. i'll link the one of perfected false god, iceheart and sorrow on an altmer.


this is the one where he used Winterborn over Sorrow and Unstable wall of elements over elemental blockade.



The reason why the bottom one contains unstable wall and winterborn is to give more impact to the class in combat. It's one thing to have a bunch of frost skills. It's another to have them feel really impactful. This is why i believe unstable wall is a bit better than blockade on this build. because that explosion is quite fun although it does a bit less dps. Frost Warden is an RP class after all, and while we can try and get max dps out of it, it's also important to realise that we aren't even close in dps to other high dps settups so it's important to have fun with it.

daemondamian

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

You could go winterborn

And icy conjuror back bar
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Icy+Conjuror+Set

Need to put ele drain to proc

Front bar
Brp destro
https://eso-sets.com/set/perfect-wild-impulse

Gives you 2 others dots

I was thinking of trying out icy conjurer with winterborn on my new alt char I'm leveling up atm (Jötunniel Frost-Heart) but I'm not sure if the damage and penetration would compensate for the loss of damage a set like julianos or mothers sorrow would give instead overall?

The other possible set I thought of using with winterborn is ice furnace which would give some crit and spell damage but apparently it doesn't proc off Ice Heart's damage, Wall of Elements, Ice Comet, Impaling Shards, or Arctic Blast only heavy and light attacks from a frost staff?

Plus it causes fire damage not frost and is a heavy set so you'd have to farm jewelry and staves.

Would a set increasing magic damage also increase frost damage or not?

Currently wearing mother's sorrow and farming war maiden while leveling up.

okay, so i'd not recommend Icy Conjuror, Ice Furnace, Frozen Watcher or Ysgramor's Birthright(this one hasn't been tested yet but reports are it's not as good as elemental succession. it's also not as good as sorrow or false god which buffs shalks and degeneration if you're using them)

Reasons why:

Conjuror: it's a nice DoT but has a long cooldown and it only hits 1 target. this is bad because in a boss fight there may be many trash mobs that will be getting chilled. it means you cannot guarantee your ice wraith will be going at the intended target. it may be wasted on a small trash mob meaning you have to wait for several seconds for it to occur again.

Ice Furnace: it's damage is pitifully bad and only normally procs off of light attacks. don't use it.

Frozen Watcher: doesn't do enough damage, requires block and gives max stam. but it looks sweet af.

your best bet for fun is to combine iceheart and winterborn with a good damage set like sorrow(most dps on our parses), false god(best sustain and second best dps) or necropotence.

I suspected as much, thank you for your feedback.

The_Lex

@ESO_Nightingale

The discord link in you sig has expired. Can you provide a new one?

UrbanMonk

Im Not Sure about winterborn. Definitely it looks good on paper but in my tastings, the AoE damage circle of 3 meter is too small. But yeah for the ice mage apparently this is the best option if combined with Elemental succession/ Mother sorrow/ Ysgramor.

burty61

The_Lex wrote: »

@ESO_Nightingale

The discord link in you sig has expired. Can you provide a new one?

Didn't work for me either. Would be quite interested to see all the frosty discussion as I'm trying to do myself an Ice Warden :-)

jazsper77

Love all the info

ESO_Nightingale

The_Lex wrote: »

@ESO_Nightingale

The discord link in you sig has expired. Can you provide a new one?

thanks for letting me know i'll get one right away.

ESO_Nightingale

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Im Not Sure about winterborn. Definitely it looks good on paper but in my tastings, the AoE damage circle of 3 meter is too small. But yeah for the ice mage apparently this is the best option if combined with Elemental succession/ Mother sorrow/ Ysgramor.

it works better than you'd think. 3m is a big enough radius for how much it procs. it can shred groups that are immobilised in your wall.

kylewwefan

When you say score running viability; Ice staves Magic is totally good enough for Maelstrom Score runs, as I’ve done them many times. I actually prefer running ice staves on a few toons. Also they’re plenty good enough for VDSA and probably VBRP too. FFS, all you need is a complete for a trial score run outside of Craglorns to get on the board.

For overland and any normal content, run whatever you want. Seriously. Have fun.

I’m sure you well know vet stuff drastically ramps up the curve.

Every single themed set will leave you wanting something better. Eventually. Sorry.

The warden has ice damage passives and maybe 2 skills that do ice damage. The rest are magic damage or physical morphs. Frost damage enchants get a good little bump on them.

I mean to say you probably could use any class you want, just throw on ice staves for your frost Mage.

Necromancer has the best of all worlds with elemental builds. Meaning it’s skills do Fire, Lightning and frost damages.

I wouldn’t even worry about not taking some Destro Staff passives. Just don’t heavy attack unless you want to.

ESO_Nightingale

kylewwefan wrote: »

When you say score running viability; Ice staves Magic is totally good enough for Maelstrom Score runs, as I’ve done them many times. I actually prefer running ice staves on a few toons. Also they’re plenty good enough for VDSA and probably VBRP too. FFS, all you need is a complete for a trial score run outside of Craglorns to get on the board.

For overland and any normal content, run whatever you want. Seriously. Have fun.

I’m sure you well know vet stuff drastically ramps up the curve.

Every single themed set will leave you wanting something better. Eventually. Sorry.

The warden has ice damage passives and maybe 2 skills that do ice damage. The rest are magic damage or physical morphs. Frost damage enchants get a good little bump on them.

I mean to say you probably could use any class you want, just throw on ice staves for your frost Mage.

Necromancer has the best of all worlds with elemental builds. Meaning it’s skills do Fire, Lightning and frost damages.

I wouldn’t even worry about not taking some Destro Staff passives. Just don’t heavy attack unless you want to.

What i mean by score running is veteran trial score running. Appologies if i did not make that clear. Groups don't want you if you run frost staves as a DPS. All other content works just fine. As pve balance only ever matters in the highest end of content.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

Good afternoon! Looking to see what class would be best currently for a Ice/Frost mage theme build.

I have the sets I want to use
5xYsgramor
5x Winterborne
Not sure on monster set

Strictly for Overland/PVE and normal trials.
*NOT FOR VET CONTENT- so please hold the it won’t stuff.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/449521/viable-pve-dps-ice-build

Have a look here, search for the post from @JazzyNapkin
40K dps with Siroria as of last December. Tbh I do not see any issue why not do same damage today with some tweaking, and the Champion system max stat changes, and I will do something like that this week myself and try it with the Elemental Succession set.

@JazzyNapkin is who I've been getting my information from. he has been posting parses on the frost discord and in my discord pms recently. i'll link the one of perfected false god, iceheart and sorrow on an altmer.


this is the one where he used Winterborn over Sorrow and Unstable wall of elements over elemental blockade.



The reason why the bottom one contains unstable wall and winterborn is to give more impact to the class in combat. It's one thing to have a bunch of frost skills. It's another to have them feel really impactful. This is why i believe unstable wall is a bit better than blockade on this build. because that explosion is quite fun although it does a bit less dps. Frost Warden is an RP class after all, and while we can try and get max dps out of it, it's also important to realise that we aren't even close in dps to other high dps settups so it's important to have fun with it.

Awesome. And thanks for updating the discord link

exeeter702

A theory crafting thread about a build only intended for overland content and normal pve, cool.

Seriosuly though, make a magicka warden, equip a frost staff, use winters embrace skills and wear literally any standard magicka set. You can use almost anything and still sleep through the content in question.

If this is about RPing, then yes winterborn and icehearts would make a nice thematic and theatric fit for an "ice mage".

BloodMagicLord

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

jazsper77

Thx again everyone

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

Doing 40K dps for the significant majority is fine to very good. Only if you are in a guild chasing leaderboards, where forcing all Stamina characters to be Orcs or for Magicka been Elves you will face discrimination.

ESO_Nightingale

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

Doing 40K dps for the significant majority is fine to very good. Only if you are in a guild chasing leaderboards, where forcing all Stamina characters to be Orcs or for Magicka been Elves you will face discrimination.

It doesn't come close to the fire staff however.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

Doing 40K dps for the significant majority is fine to very good. Only if you are in a guild chasing leaderboards, where forcing all Stamina characters to be Orcs or for Magicka been Elves you will face discrimination.

It doesn't come close to the fire staff however.

And point been? Your opinion is subjective here.

Frost does good damage, clears content, and the player who wants to play frost damage dealer is happy for what he/she plays. Is a game after all and not work.

Is not like its 5000-8000 dps, then yes even myself would argue isn't feasible. But 40K on the normal vet dummy is fine.

ESO_Nightingale

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

Doing 40K dps for the significant majority is fine to very good. Only if you are in a guild chasing leaderboards, where forcing all Stamina characters to be Orcs or for Magicka been Elves you will face discrimination.

It doesn't come close to the fire staff however.

And point been? Your opinion is subjective here.

Frost does good damage, clears content, and the player who wants to play frost damage dealer is happy for what he/she plays. Is a game after all and not work.

Is not like its 5000-8000 dps, then yes even myself would argue isn't feasible. But 40K on the normal vet dummy is fine.

While it is fine for normal content, i argue that the higher end players should have viable alternatives for a magicka dps weapon. If frost were to focus on critical for example, that may make the dps higher on certain classes than on fire staff. 40k on a normal vet dummy is fine, but i argue that balance, such as this only matters in score pushing(trials) and in pvp content. In which, the frost staff currently does not enough damage. You can argue that it's a "tanking" weapon and all that, but it should have it's focus swapped to critical damage if we are to recieve an actual tanking staff with effort put into it.

You don't have to agree with me whatsoever but how i personally feel is that it's not in a great state and would need work to put it in a good place.

The_Lex

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

Doing 40K dps for the significant majority is fine to very good. Only if you are in a guild chasing leaderboards, where forcing all Stamina characters to be Orcs or for Magicka been Elves you will face discrimination.

It doesn't come close to the fire staff however.

And point been? Your opinion is subjective here.

Frost does good damage, clears content, and the player who wants to play frost damage dealer is happy for what he/she plays. Is a game after all and not work.

Is not like its 5000-8000 dps, then yes even myself would argue isn't feasible. But 40K on the normal vet dummy is fine.

with effort put into it.

would need work to put it in a good place.

This is why it's unlikely to ever happen.

ESO_Nightingale

The_Lex wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

BloodMagicLord wrote: »

Man I really wish they would make ice staves viable for endgame dps. It's dumb that they're doing all of this cross class balancing to equalise everything but at the same time there's such a glaring difference between weapon types because of the passives associated with them. Plz redesign this ZOS.

Doing 40K dps for the significant majority is fine to very good. Only if you are in a guild chasing leaderboards, where forcing all Stamina characters to be Orcs or for Magicka been Elves you will face discrimination.

It doesn't come close to the fire staff however.

And point been? Your opinion is subjective here.

Frost does good damage, clears content, and the player who wants to play frost damage dealer is happy for what he/she plays. Is a game after all and not work.

Is not like its 5000-8000 dps, then yes even myself would argue isn't feasible. But 40K on the normal vet dummy is fine.

with effort put into it.

would need work to put it in a good place.

This is why it's unlikely to ever happen.

It's unlikely. But it will never happen if we don't try.