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I am being serious. I am sick of playing with the cheating, trolling, foul languaged, offensive low life scumbags of the internet, and I know they are too cheap to pony up $ 100 / mo. for a sub to this, so I am hoping Zenimax takes my proposal seriously.

Despite all the whining pre-release, game companies are drastically underestimating the potential for a high cost, high quality service game.

I think you mis-understand. I don't want them to eliminate the cheap version of the game.

I just want them to make an option for those of us with day jobs that are willing to pay a premium to play with real gamers, who appreciate a quality RPG MMO experience.

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I think you mis-understand. I don't want them to eliminate the riff-raff, poor, whiny, I have to be able to game off my parent's allowance crowd.

I just want them to make an option for those of us with day jobs that are willing to pay a premium to play with real gamers, who appreciate a quality RPG MMO experience.

They could make a free to play server for all the poor people and cheaters, and a high cost sub server for those of us willing to pay for a good gaming experience.

Maybe they can release a single player patch for you exclusively for $1000

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I think you mis-understand. I don't want them to eliminate the riff-raff, poor, whiny, I have to be able to game off my parent's allowance crowd.

I just want them to make an option for those of us with day jobs that are willing to pay a premium to play with real gamers, who appreciate a quality RPG MMO experience.

They could make a free to play server for all the poor people and cheaters, and a high cost sub server for those of us willing to pay for a good gaming experience.

There would still be bots, cheaters, and trolls there. Why? Because even the best of the best don't have the stomach for doing things the legal way. Somehow, some way, gold sellers will find a method to reel in cash from those players - perhaps even more so because they will be motivated to appeal to a "rich" crowd who will pay more per stack of pixels.

Just to clarify, I see what you're saying and I'm just as frustrated by all the hacks and spam.

Maybe the cheaters would still come. I don't know. I find there is no reason for me to cheat because I don't need to. I have oodles of play time. I am a 40+ semi-retired, lifetime gamer.

When my wife and I vacation, I pay for First Class Air, 5 star hotels and we have a blast. I pay a premium for our lower bowl season hockey tickets, and I pay a premium for great seats whenever we go to a concert or event.

I pay a premium for the luxury car I drive, the groceries I buy and the Internet subscription I use. I am middle class.

I am a demographic that most companies have learned to market to, however gaming companies have not. They seem stuck on this idea that the only way to success is through subscription by the great unwashed masses... there are alternatives to that approach.

Imagine a server with 1/5th the population but the same revenue. Think outside the box.

I mean no offense to those who have not yet made their way to financial freedom, but those of us that have are prepared to pay for a better experience.

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I mean no offense to those who have not yet made their way to financial freedom, but those of us that have are prepared to pay for a better experience.

You may have meant no offense, but I'm sure that your words will indeed offend. Personally, my luxury is gaming. I am a 25+ full-time student with school tuition to pay and two full-time jobs to work. I hope it wasn't people like myself that you were referring to as "unwashed masses". Just because I can't afford to fly business class or afford better seat at events doesn't make me less worthy of having a great experience on a server and in a game that I pay for.

To put it bluntly, what you are suggesting is that the devs and moderators make a "utopia" for those who can pay through the nose and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves. I guess your money smells better than mine so they might just take the bait.

I mean no offense to those who have achieved a higher degree of financial freedom, of course

I'd much rather a server for people who make an effort for what they get. That in itself would rid us of gold sellers, and people who think money and pointless material things makes them better than others. Who do you think keep these gold sellers in business.

Phyrdrin wrote: »

otomodachi wrote: »

Xanadu megashard.

Are you stalking me, Sir?

All the other posts, I'm just "Eh, agree, disagree, agree, disagree, don't know what this guy is saying...".

Jadeviper1974 wrote: »

Yea, I don't care if the game came with a monthly date with a supermodel, no way anyone will pay that much for an mmo.

I'm not as well-set as the OP, making hourly wage but I beat the pants of minimum wage at least. I'd pay maybe $100 dollars a month for private server hosting rights. Sold.

Phyrdrin wrote: »

To put it bluntly, what you are suggesting is that the devs and moderators make a "utopia" for those who can pay through the nose and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves. I guess your money smells better than mine so they might just take the bait.

Sir, I was a student as well. When I was a student I did not buy premium things but they existed. I had a beater car, a rented apartment, and I gamed in between the two part time jobs I held to make ends meet.

I didn't get angry at the people who lived in better houses, had better jobs, or could afford other luxuries in life which I could not. I am sure you don't either. Sounds like you objected to my choice of language "the great unwashed" which is akin to "joe sixpack". It's just marketing terminology I use when referring to the masses of low income bracket people.

There are 85 people in the world who's combined wealth exceeds 85% of the rest of the world's population. They get access to a lot of cool experiences I don't. I'm not asking anyone to take those things away from them just because I can't afford it.

I am also not in any way suggesting that they remove the inexpensive experience (currently the 15/sub that many think is already to hard for them to afford).

I am merely suggesting that a second, alternative experience be created, for those that can afford to pay a little more. This does not mean abandoning you and your peers. It means finally learning to service me and mine.

Consider that there are people who recently paid $100 US just to Beta Test EQ Landmark, and look at the fact that the "Empire Edition" outsold the standard edition by 5 to 1 for Elder Scrolls online. People are paying upwards of $150 US for hard copy editions, for their souvenir books and statues. Gamers pay up to $2000 US for a unique, quality 3D version of Settlers of Katan. They pay thousands to fly to gaming conventions.

Look at Star Citizen where Chris Roberts has raised over 40 million bucks selling virtual star ships for a game that does not exist. Some of those ship packages cost more than $10,000 US

The middle income market is vast and a good chunk of it has money it will spend if it feels it is getting value. That market is not being serviced well by the gaming industry and I think it should change. Star Citizen understands what that market will pay before the game is even released. I think it would be great if a fantasy RPG MMO did the same.

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I mean no offense to those who have not yet made their way to financial freedom, but those of us that have are prepared to pay for a better experience.

LOL, Well I couldn't afford that and I do have financial freedom, at least as much as I am going to get. See I chose to become a Nurse and to dedicate my life to helping people. Come to find our that being one of the folks that cares for the sick, injured, dying, and newly born, for some reason doesn't pay that well. So how about instead of a $100/month fee, we instead base it on your income! Lets see what you think of your "financial freedom" then.

Jadeviper1974 wrote: »

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I mean no offense to those who have not yet made their way to financial freedom, but those of us that have are prepared to pay for a better experience.

LOL, Well I couldn't afford that and I do have financial freedom, at least as much as I am going to get. See I chose to become a Nurse and to dedicate my life to helping people. Come to find our that being one of the folks that cares for the sick, injured, dying, and newly born, for some reason doesn't pay that well. So how about instead of a $100/month fee, we instead base it on your income! Lets see what you think of your "financial freedom" then.

I agree with you but @Jadeviper1974‌ but also we should not pursue this thread because it's just gonna lead to high tempers and honestly is mildly off-topic, it's just gonna turn into income disparity arguments.

Well, heck - maybe if they had a premium server, the bots and gold sellers would leave us "riff-raff" alone and go spam those. Win?

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I would not pay 100 bucks for this, because:

1. I can't afford it.
2. You didn't list anything we shouldn't already be getting for $15/month.

I actually completely agree with you, but they are so far not willing to deliver that so I thought maybe extra revenue might encourage them.

I mean they are making like 50 Million / month and they don't pay chat moderators who could easily and instantly ban gold spammers, and be in game with tools to easily find and ban invisible, speed hacking, ***.