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What if vigor was a medium armor skill instead of evasion?
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭doesn't this solve the heavy armor meta in pvp with stam builds ?
No.
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You suggestion makes sense, but then you would infuriate everyone who thinks heavy armor tanks are already OP. As a primary stam player in PVE it would avoid the unnecessary PVP grind to get vigor to begin with
Thing is, it doesn't really matter. You can get both regardless of the build.1 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭doesn't this solve the heavy armor meta in pvp with stam builds ?
At what cost? Precluding PvE tanks from ever slotting Vigor? Not saying all do but it is not an unreasonable thing for some PvE tanks to do.
When do we realize that PvP and PvE don't mix and should be balanced separately? Is not 5 years of failing to balance the two together long enough to realize it is a bad idea?PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo2 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »doesn't this solve the heavy armor meta in pvp with stam builds ?
At what cost? Precluding PvE tanks from ever slotting Vigor? Not saying all do but it is not an unreasonable thing for some PvE tanks to do.
When do we realize that PvP and PvE don't mix and should be balanced separately? Is not 5 years of failing to balance the two together long enough to realize it is a bad idea?
because in pve, tank always got a heal (in trial and dungeon) it's only recently that heals were not needed anymore.
this will prevent heavy armor build from getting a heal (vigor) and push more people to play in medium for this heal (vigor)1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »doesn't this solve the heavy armor meta in pvp with stam builds ?
At what cost? Precluding PvE tanks from ever slotting Vigor? Not saying all do but it is not an unreasonable thing for some PvE tanks to do.
When do we realize that PvP and PvE don't mix and should be balanced separately? Is not 5 years of failing to balance the two together long enough to realize it is a bad idea?
because in pve, tank always got a heal (in trial and dungeon) it's only recently that heals were not needed anymore.
this will prevent heavy armor build from getting a heal (vigor) and push more people to play in medium for this heal (vigor)
But you don't have to wear medium to slot evasion, you just have to level up medium armor to level 22. So if you swapped vigor for evasion, it would be the same thing. [EDIT: Oops, I'm wrong] Just as it is now, you don't have to be in PVP to slot vigor, even though you have to level up a PVP skill to get it.Edited by El_Borracho on August 14, 2019 9:03PM0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »AcadianPaladin wrote: »doesn't this solve the heavy armor meta in pvp with stam builds ?
At what cost? Precluding PvE tanks from ever slotting Vigor? Not saying all do but it is not an unreasonable thing for some PvE tanks to do.
When do we realize that PvP and PvE don't mix and should be balanced separately? Is not 5 years of failing to balance the two together long enough to realize it is a bad idea?
because in pve, tank always got a heal (in trial and dungeon) it's only recently that heals were not needed anymore.
this will prevent heavy armor build from getting a heal (vigor) and push more people to play in medium for this heal (vigor)
But you don't have to wear medium to slot evasion, you just have to level up medium armor to level 22. So if you swapped vigor for evasion, it would be the same thing. Just as it is now, you don't have to be in PVP to slot vigor, even though you have to level up a PVP skill to get it.
I could've sworn you needed 5 pieces of medium to slot evasion. Did they change that?Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »AcadianPaladin wrote: »doesn't this solve the heavy armor meta in pvp with stam builds ?
At what cost? Precluding PvE tanks from ever slotting Vigor? Not saying all do but it is not an unreasonable thing for some PvE tanks to do.
When do we realize that PvP and PvE don't mix and should be balanced separately? Is not 5 years of failing to balance the two together long enough to realize it is a bad idea?
because in pve, tank always got a heal (in trial and dungeon) it's only recently that heals were not needed anymore.
this will prevent heavy armor build from getting a heal (vigor) and push more people to play in medium for this heal (vigor)
But you don't have to wear medium to slot evasion, you just have to level up medium armor to level 22. So if you swapped vigor for evasion, it would be the same thing. Just as it is now, you don't have to be in PVP to slot vigor, even though you have to level up a PVP skill to get it.
I could've sworn you needed 5 pieces of medium to slot evasion. Did they change that?
Ahh, you're right. Forgot about that. My bad0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »Plot twist! What if it was a resto staff skill?
Even moe better0 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As I said, this would be a PvE restriction when no one in PvE cares or needs to restrict a tank from slotting Vigor if the tank wants to. My tank sometimes does indeed slot vigor when running pugs - and has saved many lives doing so. Restricting PvE for the sake of PvP. . . again. Though I'm PvE only, I'm not trying to pick on or blame PvPers; my point is that the two simply do not mix, have never mixed. At 5 years and counting, how long will it take ZOS to realize that trying balance PvE and PvP together not only doesn't work but it drives an unneeded wedge of animosity between the two communities.
If the PvP community wants no Vigor with heavy armor and ZOS can arrange it without the restriction applying to PvE , that would be just fine.
Edited by AcadianPaladin on August 14, 2019 11:05PMPC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
Vermethys✭✭✭✭Believe me, the "heavy armor meta" is mostly just Nords in Medium Armor with maxed resistances running Lingering Health potions.Edited by Vermethys on August 14, 2019 11:07PMPC EU CP1400+
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Or just buff medium armor.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.4 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So then what heal would stamina players use, if they opt for heavy armour? If you were to swap Vigor and Evasion around, you're making the choice between medium or heavy for the player, because Vigor is the only practical heal available to at least 4/6 of the stamina classes in the game. The choice shouldn't be made for players, there should always be a choice to be made between light/medium or heavy, damage/sustain or mitigation.3 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭Taking vigor from heavy isn’t balanced because it would just kill the playstyle. People forget that medium provides much better stamina sustain and damage passives than heavy and you can still hit the resistance cap if you build for it.Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭This suggestion wouldn't change medium at all. It would just punish heavy.
If medium is under performing, find ways to improve medium. Nerfing heavy and light isn't the answer.3 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭MA + vigor is weaker than HA + vigor. This change would kill stamclasses' builds.0
