BomblePants wrote: »

I’m on console so I can’t physically test this for myself.... but can’t you just use (actual) ‘purge’ from alliance skill line if that is the case?

Good luck with that on stam.

Hmmm... Warden? Heal it? You literally have tree dedicated to it and skill with no cost that removes 1 negative effect (just Magicka). DKs, well Magicka ones shouldn't complain they have a lot of heals options to. MagSorcs? Combine shield with new rapid regen, maybe it's time to stop shieldstack? Stam sorc. Critical surge, vigor, dark deal, rally, quite few options Stam DKs? I'll guess you die :P

Wing wrote: »

some (templar, necromancer) having amazing purges and suffer not.
some (nightblade) simply suppress, and laugh in the dark.

and others (sorc, dk, warden) simply die at its hands.

AKA, brutal damage that destroys some classes while leaving others completely unaffected is not cool.

'lo and behold, friends ! This post refers to PvP only stuff, ignoring the other 98% of the game, and says "this new update is baaaad !".

This is a rare sight indeed. Usually, it's us PvE folk who have to complain about that sort of things. I'm impressed.

Mayrael wrote: »

Hmmm... Warden? Heal it? You literally have tree dedicated to it and skill with no cost that removes 1 negative effect (just Magicka). DKs, well Magicka ones shouldn't complain they have a lot of heals options to. MagSorcs? Combine shield with new rapid regen, maybe it's time to stop shieldstack? Stam sorc. Critical surge, vigor, dark deal, rally, quite few options Stam DKs? I'll guess you die :P

Didn't know Vigor and Rally where StamSorc exclusive and couldn't be used by a class with more healing buffs ;-)
And I truely doubt we will see much shieldstacking after ZOS inapproriately touched them on all parameters. You know, cost increase, resource scaling, magicka return. Not to start with bar space issues. that arise from having to slot Crit over Power Surge + a source of major sorcery + rapid regen etc.

But I'm curious how that all will play out. Maybe it's just hot fuzz, maybe it's not. Time will tell.

kargen27 wrote: »

If the classes were equal it would be boring. Imagine playing scissor scissor scissor instead of rock paper scissor.

you mean EVERYONE wearing the same armour running the same skills? abit like the sheep that follow certain "youtube class reps" do?

The usual contradictions: "I want uniqueness features in every class but I come here and complain that every class should be similar to each other..."

makes me laugh all the calls for the pet nerf because of LOS abuse yet they have to hug a rock in PvP to fight, all i fair in love and war cant whinge about something you do yourself

PvE's HAVE to pvp for certain skills like barrier,war horn, vigor and purge that are locked behind the PvP wall.

edited mis-read post sorry

Thanks guys, didn’t realise purge was nerfed too.... I’m used to them changing up stuff but this update is making me nervous....

MajBludd wrote: »

@Uryel go outside and take a break. If you get that upset over a game you need a break. Nerfs were made due to pve and pvp in the past.

20 years playing online, 20 years having to bear with little f***s who complain all the time when THEIR favourite skill / class / build is nerfed while calling for everything else to be nerfed so they can win easily, damn right I need a break. A break from stupid, self-centered people. Unfortunately they are everywhere. Also, sorry if you felt personnaly attacked, my "you" was more "the general PvP crowd who keeps whining all the time and calls for nerfs" than "you specifically".

MajBludd wrote: »

Power creep is an issue in pve. An npc can't complain about it but people can surely brag how they smashed the newest trial with 4 dps. That tells the dev's their content is too easy due to power creep.

Devs also tell us they fixed the servers, that racial balance was made to open more opportunities, and I didn't belive one word of that either.

I'll give you that, though, power creep CAN be an issue. But only because of some poor design choices. If it is possible in the first place to reach such incredibly high DPS, then it's a poor design choice. Compare with resists. You CAN get 50k resists easily. I know I used to have well over 40k with my nord sorc tank, and that's without the werewolf transformation, so I was well over 50k resists in beast form. Which is pointless as the cap is around 33K. So why isn't there something equivalent for damage ? THAT would solve the power creep instantly, some form of soft-cap on the maximum damage output. People would then focus on HOW they reach that cap, and I mean that as what manner they play, which playstyle they chose... Rather than trying to go as high as athey can. That wouldn't only solve the issue, that also would be alot more fun.

And while I'm on the poor design choices and resists, if there is a cap on resists, why isn't that apparent in the game itself ? Take Fallen Earth, for all its flaws, it has several resist stats with an actual percentage displayed that amounts to the damage reduction you get out of it. You can instantly spot when increasing that stat give so much diminishing return that a zillion more resist points wouldn't give you a whole percent of damage mitigation. Why isn't there anything like that in ESO ? You have big numbers and have no idea, no mean to know what they exactly do.

As for smashing a new trial with only high damage characters, it's not so much a power creep issue, again, it's a design issue. IF a mechanic can be bypassed by simply applying stupidly high brute force, it was poorly concieved. However, IF a mechanic is so locked that you can't have any freedom in approaching it, it's poorly concieved too, so there is a difficult balance to be found there.

MajBludd wrote: »

Why not try and think of a solution to ops problem instead of throwing a tantrum?

Been there, done that. I've been suggesting changes that were never echoed (as many people have done, they can't listen to everyone), I've suggested adjustments, different mechanics, even a full rebuild from scratch of the whole "damage is tied to your main ressource pool and that's a bad idea" thing. Devs have every right to ignore that, of course. But telling me I haven't done my research is not right. I do understand that you had no way to know I had done my research, though, so no problem with that. So many people, so little time to read them all

MajBludd wrote: »

Edit "you just want to win', you say? No I want a fun fight win or lose and I've never called for anything to be nerfed. Have you?

Maybe you do, and then, my hat to you, good sir. But most PvP whiners express themselves in ways that show their need for +win buffs way to obviously. I have never, ever, in 20 years of MMO, called for anything to be nerfed. Except maybe whining, if that could be nerfed I'd be mighty glad.

I have, however, advocated for reversing some lore-breaking changes, and will continue to do so. Bosmers should still be stealthy, Argonians should still resist poison, for instance. Does "nerf that nerf" count as calling for nerfing ?


Now, as for OP's "issue"... It's not an issue. As I've mentionned in some other thread, there are tools to counter DoTs available for everyone. The problem is that "I want my DPS as high as possible and kill everything instantly" crowd can't be arsed using them because it cramps their self-percieved awsomeness. My take on any fight ? If you live longer than your enemy, you win. So all my characters always have had some form of self-survival tool. For instance, the last update brought a pretty nice healing shot in the bow line. It's not high damage, but it's spammable, heals decently, and any healer (or solo player for that matter) worth their salt will tell you that you can survive a DoT with properly timed burst healing.

If people were actually thinking their builds instead of copying them from the web, they might be able to adapt, but until some build guru bestows them with a new holy grail, we're going to see people complain they can't survive. And then, we'll see them use builds that those who don't give a flying *** about pre-made builds had roughly figured from day 1, just in a more refined form. I can't fathom why evolution gave us brains if people chose not to use them. Again, sorry for my general tone, but have little patience for people who willingly refuse to think, and we are f'ing surrounded.


[Edited to remove Sheogorath's influence on my spelling and self-censoring of curses since for some reason the forum didn't mask them itself]

Guys have to learn to adjust builds. Can't be about damage 100% of the time, you have to defend, heal etc. On my stamina players I am just going to try using combo of shuffle, a defensive set and the alliance war purge... should be fine.

Nerf dots they are unhealthy