Toxic Behaviour in ESO

Mettaricana · August 2019

SaltySudd wrote: »

A step in the right direction would be bringing back GMs in-game. Zone chat can be an absolute cesspool of racism, sexism, etc, and having GMs around could potentially help to deter that behavior.

God yes dumbest thing they ever did was get rid of them

MyKillv2.0 · August 2019

Edaphon wrote: »

At least 90% of the 'toxic behaviour' isn't toxic at all. It's just people being overly sensitive.

98.743 perfect of all statics made up are completely false.

Coopersnow · August 2019

t baggin is sexual abuse... What?
You gotta be joking

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Maybe try not getting offended by anonymous people on the internet. That works pretty well for me.

Edaphon wrote: »

At least 90% of the 'toxic behaviour' isn't toxic at all. It's just people being overly sensitive.

^^ Glad to know some people still support racism, harassment and the like in gaming culture, instead of actually doing something about it

because they don't agree with you or don't get offended by strangers on the Internet

Never said any of that but hey: Practice what you preach 🤷🏻‍♀️

Coopersnow · August 2019

Is using flame lash also sexual abuse? I mean you literally whip someone.
Petition to remove flame lash from the game started. Dk also have chains to chain people in and a whip. Dk inspired from slavemasters??????????????????? Remove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theignson · August 2019

You have to realize that PvP is a selected population enriched in sociopaths, trolls, and hormone-crazed teenagers. It isn't really a mentally healthy environment. After all the overall goal is to slaughter people however possible, no holds barred, no morals.

Some of these teenagers, the prepubescent ones, probably don't even understand what T bagging represents. They also don't grasp how a female player might react to it. After all, most of them don't know anything about women-- they are 12-15-- they spend all their time at the computer--- never had a date, never had a relationship with anyone but their computer!

Given all that still most (75%? 85%?) PvP players aren't twisted or warped. Lots, most, of players who I've killed and who have killed me many times don't T bag me or send hate tells.

Derbforgaill · August 2019

For everyone getting offended because I said tea-bagging represents sexual abuse. It does. Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life. And just like tea-bagging can be performed in real life to sexually abuse someone to demonstrate power or humiliate someone, so it can be done in online games.

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

Woeler · August 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Maybe try not getting offended by anonymous people on the internet. That works pretty well for me.

Edaphon wrote: »

At least 90% of the 'toxic behaviour' isn't toxic at all. It's just people being overly sensitive.

^^ Glad to know some people still support racism, harassment and the like in gaming culture, instead of actually doing something about it

Nice Godwin you've got there.

Derbforgaill wrote: »

For everyone getting offended because I said tea-bagging represents sexual abuse. It does. Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life. And just like tea-bagging can be performed in real life to sexually abuse someone to demonstrate power or humiliate someone, so it can be done in online games.

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

It's as not real as killing someone in pvp is the same as killing someone IRL.

Edaphon · August 2019

Theignson wrote: »

You have to realize that PvP is a selected population enriched in sociopaths, trolls, and hormone-crazed teenagers. It isn't really a mentally healthy environment. After all the overall goal is to slaughter people however possible, no holds barred, no morals.

Some of these teenagers, the prepubescent ones, probably don't even understand what T bagging represents. They also don't grasp how a female player might react to it. After all, most of them don't know anything about women-- they are 12-15-- they spend all their time at the computer--- never had a date, never had a relationship with anyone but their computer!

Given all that still most (75%? 85%?) PvP players aren't twisted or warped. Lots, most, of players who I've killed and who have killed me many times don't T bag me or send hate tells.

What a toxic thing to say.

Derbforgaill · August 2019

Theignson wrote: »

You have to realize that PvP is a selected population enriched in sociopaths, trolls, and hormone-crazed teenagers. It isn't really a mentally healthy environment. After all the overall goal is to slaughter people however possible, no holds barred, no morals.

Some of these teenagers, the prepubescent ones, probably don't even understand what T bagging represents. They also don't grasp how a female player might react to it. After all, most of them don't know anything about women-- they are 12-15-- they spend all their time at the computer--- never had a date, never had a relationship with anyone but their computer!

Given all that still most (75%? 85%?) PvP players aren't twisted or warped. Lots, most, of players who I've killed and who have killed me many times don't T bag me or send hate tells.

I definitely believe that some people that do this do not understand the real-life implications of it. But we should still do something about it (and hate whispers, rages in chat etc) or it will never change.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

Oh and @ the person who called me “racist” at least I’m not sitting back pretending to ignore the actual issue, or claim “oH iTs JuSt tHe InTeRnEt, tHeYrE jUsT bEiNg sNoWfLaKeS durr hurr”

Coopersnow · August 2019

Theignson wrote: »

You have to realize that PvP is a selected population enriched in sociopaths, trolls, and hormone-crazed teenagers. It isn't really a mentally healthy environment. After all the overall goal is to slaughter people however possible, no holds barred, no morals.

Some of these teenagers, the prepubescent ones, probably don't even understand what T bagging represents. They also don't grasp how a female player might react to it. After all, most of them don't know anything about women-- they are 12-15-- they spend all their time at the computer--- never had a date, never had a relationship with anyone but their computer!

Given all that still most (75%? 85%?) PvP players aren't twisted or warped. Lots, most, of players who I've killed and who have killed me many times don't T bag me or send hate tells.

This is the dumbest comment i have ever read in my life.
First of all you are generalizing people and youth and making fun of them so your toxic lets get that out of the way.
Second this is so stupid im amazed, dont understand what t baggin represents??????? Squating with a non existent virtual game character on another virtual non existent character in a virutal non existent world. Curb your *** man.
Not anyones problem you get ofended when someone caughs near you

Derbforgaill · August 2019

Woeler wrote: »

Derbforgaill wrote: »

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

It's as not real as killing someone in pvp is the same as killing someone IRL.

You seem to have missed this part:

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life.

Specifically, the word represent.

It seems however that trying to engage in a discussion on how to prevent/avoid toxic behaviour in games has brought mostly toxic comments...

Woeler · August 2019

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Specifically, the word represent.

You seemed to have missed your own:

Derbforgaill wrote: »

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

t bagging makes me remember this line from an old show:
“Oh sorry officer I was just helping her up”
“Helping her up with your _ _ _ _?”

React · August 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Maybe try not getting offended by anonymous people on the internet. That works pretty well for me.

Edaphon wrote: »

At least 90% of the 'toxic behaviour' isn't toxic at all. It's just people being overly sensitive.

^^ Glad to know some people still support racism, harassment and the like in gaming culture, instead of actually doing something about it

Lmfao, "your opinion opinion differs from mine so you support racism". Talk about playing the victim.

I'm one of the most well known players on my server, and I play solo in pvp 90% of the time. I get singled out by "small scale groups", zergs, ball groups, etc. They chase me down constantly, teabag when they xv1 me, send me hate mail when they die, etc. If I die in a 1v1, it'll get posted to all the clubs and the clip itself will have 1k+ views within a day or two. I GUARANTEE I get more hate mail than anyone you know.

It doesn't phase me because ultimately if you let anonymous people on the internet affect your mood in real life, you're overly sensitive and you need to re-evaluate how you go about playing the game. This game's pvp breeds an inherently toxic playerbase, and that's something you should learn to accept and move on from. No one is gonna get banned for tea bagging you or sending you anything outside of racist or discrimantory hate mals.

Rave the Histborn · August 2019

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Derbforgaill wrote: »

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

It's as not real as killing someone in pvp is the same as killing someone IRL.

You seem to have missed this part:

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life.

Specifically, the word represent.

It seems however that trying to engage in a discussion on how to prevent/avoid toxic behaviour in games has brought mostly toxic comments...

Because you're not talking about toxic behavior, you're talking about censoring the player base so you can play how you want. This never ends well and it just gets used against people that ask for it. There are no real life implications for a video game, you're out of your mind if you think there are.

Cpt_Teemo · August 2019

Wolfpaw wrote: »

GW1 handled cheaters the best, a god was summoned that publicly one-shot killed your toon.

I would remove that vid tbh, has bad words in it

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Derbforgaill wrote: »

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

It's as not real as killing someone in pvp is the same as killing someone IRL.

You seem to have missed this part:

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life.

Specifically, the word represent.

It seems however that trying to engage in a discussion on how to prevent/avoid toxic behaviour in games has brought mostly toxic comments...

Because you're not talking about toxic behavior, you're talking about censoring the player base so you can play how you want. This never ends well and it just gets used against people that ask for it. There are no real life implications for a video game, you're out of your mind if you think there are.

Sorry to say, but ZoS actually can censor the player base. Wanna know why?
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

geonsocal · August 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Welcome to the real world, where people are scum bags.

what I love most about the forums: good chance someone else will write exactly what you're thinking

not all people are scum bags, but yeah, gather a community and normally you'll get a small percentage of people who just don't play well with others...

really, the overwhelming majority of folks are cool...it's just the few that can't fit in make such a noise it seems they're everywhere...

a lot of folks' experience (like the OP) can also be strongly influenced with how they themselves interact with others...

if you're looking for what's worse in people - there's no question you'll find it...a lot of it...

truly, sometimes ignorance is bliss...

Berserkerkitten · August 2019

Wow. Out of all the MMOs I've played over the years, ESO has one of the friendliest, nicest communities out there. Yes, there are a few black sheep here and there, because that's the case in every online community, but I had amazing zerg groups in Cyrodiil full of awesome people, I meet some really fun people in daily dungeon PUGs ... sure, many of them straight-up suck at ESO, but at least they're nice. Flying off the handle over some moron teabagging in pvp. 90 percent of the people who do that didn't even score the kill and it's the only interaction they get from enemy players in between load screens, mass-zerging and respawning. I remember when people did stuff like that in games like Halo, before everyone was offended by everything. Damn, I'm old.

Kadoin · August 2019

Woeler wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Maybe try not getting offended by anonymous people on the internet. That works pretty well for me.

Edaphon wrote: »

At least 90% of the 'toxic behaviour' isn't toxic at all. It's just people being overly sensitive.

^^ Glad to know some people still support racism, harassment and the like in gaming culture, instead of actually doing something about it

Nice Godwin you've got there.

Derbforgaill wrote: »

For everyone getting offended because I said tea-bagging represents sexual abuse. It does. Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life. And just like tea-bagging can be performed in real life to sexually abuse someone to demonstrate power or humiliate someone, so it can be done in online games.

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

It's as not real as killing someone in pvp is the same as killing someone IRL.

Oi, when I die in PvP I feel it IRL all the time!

Rave the Histborn · August 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Derbforgaill wrote: »

The fact that it is a very common thing in MMOs does not make it any less real or true.

It's as not real as killing someone in pvp is the same as killing someone IRL.

You seem to have missed this part:

Derbforgaill wrote: »

Maybe it's time for you to realize what the things that you are doing online represent things performed in real-life.

Specifically, the word represent.

It seems however that trying to engage in a discussion on how to prevent/avoid toxic behaviour in games has brought mostly toxic comments...

Because you're not talking about toxic behavior, you're talking about censoring the player base so you can play how you want. This never ends well and it just gets used against people that ask for it. There are no real life implications for a video game, you're out of your mind if you think there are.

Sorry to say, but ZoS actually can censor the player base. Wanna know why?
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

That's not how that works. ZOS can censor the platform, but you have no right to call for censorship of other people. It doesn't grow the game, it kills it and you can already see in game how it would be poorly it would be implemented. It would be up to algorithims that censor words that aren't profanity (already happens ingame with the profanity filter) and bots that would band more people for nothing than would actually target "trolls" who would just adapt to the new language restrictions. You're not going to stop people from trolling. Look at Overwatch, they will ban you for wrong speak on twitter or other platforms, they have heavy moderated chat and it is still full of trolls that by pass the chat filters regularly. It didn't help the game, it killed of the more hardcore playerbase and all that is left are trolls and people that complain about every skin release not being what they want. The game be comes the backseat every single time.

Isaura · August 2019

If I feel offended by a player's behavior, I just put him on the ignore list. I only report players with an obvious rule-breaker behavior, like spamming insults in zone chat or botting. T-bagging for example is something I am keen to put people on ignore list for, but reporting? No. Being an idiot is not forbidden. If you start answering people when they report someone, if you ban players to create a safe space for others, then it will never ends and the game will soon be empty. Because everyone has a natural behavior that will somewhat hurt someone else one day. I'm a woman and yes I think that t-bagging looks abusive, but will I report someone for it? No. Because I bet in their minds it's just "ahaha lol t-bag". So, just put them on the ignore list and go on with your day

SocialAssassin · August 2019

Derbforgaill wrote: »

I think anyone that has played ESO for long enough has experienced toxic behaviour: from tea-bagging to slurs on chat. (I would include bots in that category, but that's a different talk.)

So far, I have obtained very negative experiences from reporting toxic behaviours from ZOS. No feedback, no follow-through... I get the reason they provide to not informing about the results of complaints (aka: maintain the privacy of the other player(s)) but there have been actual cases where ZOS should have gotten back to me and didn't. For example, I recorded cheating in a BG (a video), but you can't upload it to a complaint in-game. So I just mentioned that I had recorded everything and that I'd be happy to send the video via whatever format they needed. Of course, I never got a response aside from the usual "we received your complaint".

Listening to an episode of the Psychology of Video Games Podcast on this very issue and how some game companies of online games deal with it was rather enraging to see what other companies do when compared to ZOS. A full team dedicated to investigating toxic behaviour, coming up with new ways of regulating this behaviour and creating a more friendly environment...

How do you think toxic behaviour could be dealt with in ESO?

Game companies want this toxicity in this game to be completely honest. I read this article years ago. And it stated if your game doesn't go "toxic" your basically doing something wrong. But toxicity means people are playing the game. And that's all game companies really care about at the end of the day. Because if they got rid of the toxic players? There would be barely anyone let to play their game. To toxic players is a necessity.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-27-toxic-players-are-necessary-says-orcs-must-die-dev

dan-o92 · August 2019

If you get T-Bagged than you deserved it. Wether it be your build is ultra cheesy (WW spamming heals, or you just love wasting people’s time by running around trees and rocks / streaking away) you deserve it! It’s not toxic or sexual. It’s just showing dominance. You obviously did something for you to be bagged.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

Fortnite community is still better than this cesspool of a thread when it comes to doing something about toxicity, literally. Haven’t seen one article about the eso community trying to stop it, in fact it seems like the majority on the forums are glad to let it continue.

Rave the Histborn · August 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Fortnite community is still better than this cesspool of a thread when it comes to doing something about toxicity, literally. Haven’t seen one article about the eso community trying to stop it, in fact it seems like the majority on the forums are glad to let it continue.

I think a lot of us are adults with more important thing to do than worry about what people say in an online video game.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · August 2019

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Fortnite community is still better than this cesspool of a thread when it comes to doing something about toxicity, literally. Haven’t seen one article about the eso community trying to stop it, in fact it seems like the majority on the forums are glad to let it continue.

I think a lot of us are adults with more important thing to do than worry about what people say in an online video game.

Uh huh and whoopdido I’m an adult too.

It’s not that special.

SirMewser · August 2019

Derbforgaill wrote: »

I think anyone that has played ESO for long enough has experienced toxic behaviour: from tea-bagging to slurs on chat. (I would include bots in that category, but that's a different talk.)

So far, I have obtained very negative experiences from reporting toxic behaviours from ZOS. No feedback, no follow-through... I get the reason they provide to not informing about the results of complaints (aka: maintain the privacy of the other player(s)) but there have been actual cases where ZOS should have gotten back to me and didn't. For example, I recorded cheating in a BG (a video), but you can't upload it to a complaint in-game. So I just mentioned that I had recorded everything and that I'd be happy to send the video via whatever format they needed. Of course, I never got a response aside from the usual "we received your complaint".

Listening to an episode of the Psychology of Video Games Podcast on this very issue and how some game companies of online games deal with it was rather enraging to see what other companies do when compared to ZOS. A full team dedicated to investigating toxic behaviour, coming up with new ways of regulating this behaviour and creating a more friendly environment...

How do you think toxic behaviour could be dealt with in ESO?

I made a post just a month ago about this, it has gotten worse.

Yesterday I was told to "not hurt myself", implying that I was or should be suicidal for whatever reason for silly reasons (talking about how I didn't like the patch with others). The main point of my post was the amount of KYS or "Kill Yourself" comments I've gotten over the past few months compared to the years I've played. I didn't even know what KYS stood for!

T bagging has become a daily thing in BGS.
I guess people need to feel gratification, just whish it wasn't delusion of gradure or poor sport, they need to get checked is what it tells me.

People forgotten how (well, don't care) to talk, usually people were always friendly with a hello and GG or tyfg. It's always pleasant to see someone talk to another about something funny or things like "oh, I sworn I picked ____ dungeon specifically, I guess I don't mind this." and their buddy agreed to continue (I've have experienced their bug before) but it's nice to see communication, not cussing or toxicity because they didn't get their way. This leads to another point...

New players and booting, it's been awful trying to get new players engaged in pve, especially when they just hit level 50, they might want to do their first vet dungeon, crafted gear, all set, but they get booted because they don't have; 20k+ dps, better gear, much cp, or know the new mechanics.

Play the way you want is another one, people in normal gungeons expect fast runs, sure... Another thing is how we play; bow and bow is "not optimal and weak", pets are "free damage", cloak is "cheap", shields are "OP", class without execute is "incapable of dps", non templar/warden healers are "poor healers", tank is a sorc "that's why he died", I'm sure we all heard a few of these ones. So much for being an Elder Scrolls game I guess.

A lot of what I said roots down to balance and meta but it doesn't have to be patched to make good people. It's the bad people that needs to be managed on top of any other sort of change within this game.

ZoS simply doesn't care.
I told them about the people telling others to inflict harm on themselves, telling me to set them to ignore, but that doesn't stop them from saying nasty *** like that, especially when it wasn't relating to me.

In Canada it's an indictable offence under 14 years imprisonment taken from counseling and aiding suicide 241(1)(b) to tell someone to kill themself and they act on it. It's not about having thin skin, it's about the wrong moment at the wrong time to the wrong people... A moral. There is a place for people that do wrong for a reason. Perhaps in the perpetrator's country that law doesn't exist, but that wouldn't surprise me if that's how they behave. This is North America.