The drop rate of style pages in normal Maelstrom is too low for the time required.

PizzaCat82 · August 2019

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

I don't play on Crapsole... Not my problem if you loading time are ***... 30 seconds and under a round IS fast I know... Just because you can't doesn't mean others can't...

And for your Hyperbole I stated 20 min.. YOU cut that to "15-20 minutes" So everything you state from here on out is just biased hyperbole...

L2P

This comment is absolute gold. I'm still waiting for that video.

MrGhosty · August 2019

so if a decent run on vMA is 40 minutes and guarantees a drop, but for an average player it takes an hour to complete a normal couldn't they just adjust the drop rate to reflect the time difference and the experienced players would still be churning out profit over the newcomer?

weapon styles have more RP/personal style choice implications than anything "achievement based" which is why I wouldn't compare earning the mount in sunspire to be equivalent. A mount is a big deal, it's shiny and flashy and people notice it. I couldn't tell you that last weapon I saw was on another player. What I can say is that the weapon skin I choose to use matters to me personally as I like to design my whole toon. Mounts, Skins, and titles are rewards, but style pages kinda feel like participation trophies as they mark people out to themselves/others as having "been there" for that particular event.

It kinda feels like there are already enough barriers to entry for a lot of really cool stuff (which i'm cool with, that content is hard and you have to put a lot of effort in to get the cool skins and mounts etc) That it wouldn't hurt to throw a bone to newcomers and returning players and increase the drop rate a bit, or at least implement bad luck protection and increase the odds with each completion until a page drops, then reset back to normal.

I don't think anyone here has argued they deserve the same level of reward that vet players enjoy, just that it would be more enjoyable for us plebs if we had a better shot at some neat timed exclusives.

tmbrinks · August 2019

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

Grandma wrote: »

that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.

I've made $195k selling 3 style pages already... Guess I'm an idiot... lol

Yeah they're staying very strong at 50-100k each.. the people out there see the drop rate for ma and they don't even bother so the ones farming VMA every 40 minutes are racking up the $$$$.

So... the players who have put in the time and effort to get good at the game, and to get good gear in the game, have an advantage at being able to get guaranteed drops and make some gold back in this game?

Thank god, it's about time. ZoS has killed many of the other gold-making opportunities for end-game players in the last years.

Is this satire? There's tons of endgame only farming opportunities.

Please name them. Pretty much everything endgame is BOP.

Used to be end-game raiders could sell their gear from trials, then ZoS took that away.

Used to able to earn motifs from dungeons/trials for a time. Now ZoS releases then in the crown store immediately. (Honor Guard being a notable exception recently)

It costs hundreds of thousands in gold (if not millions) in gear upgrades, potions, food, glyphs, respecs, cp swaps, etc to be able to adequately compete in the end-game.

LiquidPony · August 2019

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

nMA takes literally, 20min on a lvl 25 character. It's some of the easiest content in the game. The drop rate should be .1%.

9 stages
1 - 4 rounds.
2 - 4 rounds
3 - 4 rounds
4 - 4 rounds
5 - 5 rounds
6 - 5 rounds
7 - 5 rounds
8 - 5 rounds
9 - 6 rounds

20 minutes to do 42 rounds means you are averaging 30 seconds a round.

Which is *** because the loading screens between stages is 30 seconds and the wait between rounds is usually 10 seconds.

But I could be wrong. Show me a video of a console player doing normal NA in 15-20 minutes, I'll wait.

Do a lot of people record videos of *normal* Maelstrom speedruns? lol

But anyway the fastest console vMA clears aren't far behind the fastest PC clears, somewhere around 25-26 minutes. And the loading screens on these runs aren't anywhere near 30 seconds ... more like 10.

https://youtu.be/c1SxSN47Nfw

So yeah, ~25 minutes for a vMA run easily translates to nMA in 20 minutes or less, regardless of platform.

PizzaCat82 · August 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

nMA takes literally, 20min on a lvl 25 character. It's some of the easiest content in the game. The drop rate should be .1%.

9 stages
1 - 4 rounds.
2 - 4 rounds
3 - 4 rounds
4 - 4 rounds
5 - 5 rounds
6 - 5 rounds
7 - 5 rounds
8 - 5 rounds
9 - 6 rounds

20 minutes to do 42 rounds means you are averaging 30 seconds a round.

Which is *** because the loading screens between stages is 30 seconds and the wait between rounds is usually 10 seconds.

But I could be wrong. Show me a video of a console player doing normal NA in 15-20 minutes, I'll wait.

Do a lot of people record videos of *normal* Maelstrom speedruns? lol

But anyway the fastest console vMA clears aren't far behind the fastest PC clears, somewhere around 25-26 minutes. And the loading screens on these runs aren't anywhere near 30 seconds ... more like 10.

https://youtu.be/c1SxSN47Nfw

So yeah, ~25 minutes for a vMA run easily translates to nMA in 20 minutes or less, regardless of platform.

If its so easy to do 20 minute MA runs I'd like to see it. Everyone should be able to do it, right? I'm not saying MA is hard, its not. I'm saying that it if you don't have every spawn memorized you're going to spend 2-3 times that video just getting to the mobs.

The person above says a lvl 25 should have no problem doing it in 20 minutes. Which would be worthy of a video, no?

Bobby_V_Rockit · August 2019

Just do normal mode, I did it for the first time yesterday and got maelstrom maul skin 🤷🏻‍♂️

spartaxoxo · August 2019

MaddPowered wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

You didn't contradict anything in my argument you just went back to yours, which I already disagreed with. There should be more incentive to do normal maelstrom if only to show people that its not the impossible task that they think it is. I do it on fresh alts with crafted sets. I also do vet maelstrom on my main but dont believe it should be the only way to get style pages.

If we start excluding people from events they just wont log in at all and the game will be empty.

so would you also believe that maelstrom weapons should drop in normal then?

There is a pretty big difference between style pages for an event meant for all, and actually powerful weapons.

Osteos · August 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..

Ha I wouldn't pay any attention to these types of post. These are the same types of people who claim they can do all the writs on 18 characters in 20 minutes. Its just rubbish.

It would be better to increase the drop rate. Even if you could do normal in 15 minutes.. . That is still 2.5 hours of your day spent and no reward for your effort.

If you pre-craft *everything* and keep your toons parked in your preferred writ location (for me, Vivec City), writs on all 18 toons in 20 minutes probably isn't much of an exaggeration. It takes me roughly 2 minutes per character and I only pre-craft foods and potions/poisons; everything else is handled with Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter. I'd say about 1m40s if I get a fast login (~20s) and a bit over 2 minutes if I catch a long login (45s+). About once a week there'll be some additional time as I go through and re-craft consumables and clean up inventory.

But anyway, the point here is that just because *you* don't do it that quickly doesn't mean that no one else does.

Linaleah wrote: »

it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..

Load screens add *minutes* of time? Guess that's machine-dependent. Most of my Maelstrom stage load-screens are like ... 3 or 4 seconds maybe?

If you have everything already pre-made is that really doing your writs though? I would say no.

The point here is that most people on the forums exaggerate about how quickly they can complete tasks to try to make themselves look better. No one with any sense believes them. I even elaborated further to stay on topic- even IF you could do normal from start to finish in 15 minutes and you did that 10 times without receiving a motif that is a lot of time invested for little results. As for me I don't do nMA at all, there is zero incentive to do it outside of the event and with the drop rate super low, for a rather ugly motif, zero incentive to do it during the event.

FlopsyPrince · August 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Good. It makes doing vet more rewarding.

^This.^

Technically, pages shouldn’t drop on normal at all ...

Yes, because if someone can't complete VMA they shouldn't have any reason to run normal. None at all. Best to just have those people farm mats and get gold to buy from You, right?

There are a whole lot of problems with this argument ... let's go through each one, shall we?

1. vMA weapons are only available on the Vet difficulty version of the Arena. Only the players who have worked hard to achieve a build and gameplay to complete it are rewarded. If players want to proudly display the style, the style pages should reflect the level of content the player has cleared. Consider yourself lucky they even drop on normal ... or are on sale for tickets or crowns.

2. The difficulty spike between normal and veteran is huge with normal being absurdly easy. Why should a player be rewarded for completing content they can do with both eyes closed?

3. Any completionist player knows they have to try different types of content in ESO to complete their achievements and outfit styles. Maelstrom is no different. Working hard on different playstyles is eventually rewarded. No free passes though.

You wouldn't be able to buy them from others if that was true. Your argument fails.

Some of us don't want to be able to do the hardest possible content. I realize I miss out on the weapons, but why miss out so much in a limited time event like this?

Linaleah · August 2019

Stebarnz wrote: »

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start!

Normal MA can do on level 3 char quick and easy!
VET MA can do with just light attacks!

What more do I have to say. Do vet, drops every time, helps you learn how to play and contribute to group play.

If you cant complete VMA why you want the page?

because... brace yourself.. its a MOTIF. not a weapon. its appearance. you know.. something us casuals enjoy collecting and messing around with? fashion scrolls and all

Linaleah · August 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..

Ha I wouldn't pay any attention to these types of post. These are the same types of people who claim they can do all the writs on 18 characters in 20 minutes. Its just rubbish.

It would be better to increase the drop rate. Even if you could do normal in 15 minutes.. . That is still 2.5 hours of your day spent and no reward for your effort.

If you pre-craft *everything* and keep your toons parked in your preferred writ location (for me, Vivec City), writs on all 18 toons in 20 minutes probably isn't much of an exaggeration. It takes me roughly 2 minutes per character and I only pre-craft foods and potions/poisons; everything else is handled with Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter. I'd say about 1m40s if I get a fast login (~20s) and a bit over 2 minutes if I catch a long login (45s+). About once a week there'll be some additional time as I go through and re-craft consumables and clean up inventory.

But anyway, the point here is that just because *you* don't do it that quickly doesn't mean that no one else does.

Linaleah wrote: »

it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..

Load screens add *minutes* of time? Guess that's machine-dependent. Most of my Maelstrom stage load-screens are like ... 3 or 4 seconds maybe?

nine stages. each stage's loading screen is 15-30 seconds depending on phase of the moon, mercury in retrograde, no idea why some loading screens are longer then others - it seems random. but even if i get lucky and get 15 second screens, its still couple of minutes added. there is at least a few seconds wait between spawns. i don't know about you, but I like to loot the reward chests after each stage. its decon/vendor fodder, but that also adds seconds. even if i absolutely positively go as efficiently as possible, I'm still not seeing 15 minutes. unedited video would be nice to see. you know. to believe. that math in a post above looks mighty interesting too.

also, I've timed myself doing crafting writs. food and pots precrafted, everything else - lazy writ crafter, including auto opening boxes. with a bit of time allotted to click on a vendor to sell ornate stuff via junkbuster. assuming I'm doing nothing about intricates - it takes me about 4-5 minutes per character, NOT counting loading screens. I usually do my writs in Deshaan with summonable banker. I like Vivec city better, but I get longer loading screens there.