The drop rate of style pages in normal Maelstrom is too low for the time required.
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StormChaser3000✭✭✭✭✭
✭that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.
Really?
FYI I sold a page on the first day for 70k. It was gone in 30 minutes after posting. So if you don't know the market, better not talk at all.
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Fang_of_Lorkhaj✭✭✭✭Norm maelstrom in 2019, hmmm that's a definite L2P issue. Norm takes 15min, vet 35min. Going to forums to expose ones self is meta it seems.1 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭VmA is quite easily a <45 min grind nowadays for every class and Stam or Magika. If you can complete it then not doing it on vet is just gimping yourself.
I’m totally against weapon drops in normal but I’m fine with the style pages as long as the drop rate is low and how it is seems to be fine.0 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If your only option is to get them from normal mode, then instead of farming the arena, might be better time-wise to farm gold and buy them in a couple of days, when the prices will drop, or sacrifice some event tickets. However, if you are interested in doing vet, it might be a good incentive to try it, since the drops are guarranteed.3 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭15 minutes? That feels suspect. Most speed runs on Google are for 40min - 1 hour. The rounds still take a set amount of time even if you kill everything.. you'll just be waiting around longer.
And Normal isn't my only way to get these pages, obviously.. I do vet once a day but I seriously don't need anything from Maelstrom and would rather not slog through it unless absolutely necessary.Edited by PizzaCat82 on August 11, 2019 3:19PM1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MaddPowered wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »You didn't contradict anything in my argument you just went back to yours, which I already disagreed with. There should be more incentive to do normal maelstrom if only to show people that its not the impossible task that they think it is. I do it on fresh alts with crafted sets. I also do vet maelstrom on my main but dont believe it should be the only way to get style pages.
If we start excluding people from events they just wont log in at all and the game will be empty.
so would you also believe that maelstrom weapons should drop in normal then?
1. i personaly think there should be regular vs perfected version, the way we have with newer trials and their gear drops.
2. there is a heck of a difference between a MOTIF. which is cosmetic. and an actual weapon.dirty worthless casual.
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LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »15 minutes? That feels suspect. Most speed runs on Google are for 40min - 1 hour. The rounds still take a set amount of time even if you kill everything.. you'll just be waiting around longer.
And Normal isn't my only way to get these pages, obviously.. I do vet once a day but I seriously don't need anything from Maelstrom and would rather not slog through it unless absolutely necessary.
The fastest vMA runs are about 23 minutes.
Normal is totally doable in 15-20.4 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..dirty worthless casual.
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Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..
Ha I wouldn't pay any attention to these types of post. These are the same types of people who claim they can do all the writs on 18 characters in 20 minutes. Its just rubbish.
It would be better to increase the drop rate. Even if you could do normal in 15 minutes.. . That is still 2.5 hours of your day spent and no reward for your effort.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault5 -
DLM✭✭✭✭✭Even normal, one shotting almost everything takes 20 minutes at least because of the downtime between rounds and arenas.
I am at 12 runs by now, that's a total of 240 minutes or 4 hours. And not one single page.
Why as a company, would you want your players to participate in events if they get no reward to show for it? No one is asking for a guaranteed drop from normal but the current drop rate is just beyond stupid.3 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start!
Normal MA can do on level 3 char quick and easy!
VET MA can do with just light attacks!
What more do I have to say. Do vet, drops every time, helps you learn how to play and contribute to group play.
If you cant complete VMA why you want the page?Edited by Stebarnz on August 11, 2019 9:40PM1 -
Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭gamerguy757 wrote: »You can get NMA done in like 15min.
Just the loading screens are like 7 minutes.3 -
xSkullfox✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »15 minutes? That feels suspect. Most speed runs on Google are for 40min - 1 hour. The rounds still take a set amount of time even if you kill everything.. you'll just be waiting around longer.
And Normal isn't my only way to get these pages, obviously.. I do vet once a day but I seriously don't need anything from Maelstrom and would rather not slog through it unless absolutely necessary.
The fastest vMA runs are about 23 minutes.
Normal is totally doable in 15-20.
Done nMA with a lvl 12char in less 1h with missing skills....Groupfinder:
The worst part is when it finally puts you in a group, your healer turns into a werewolf, your tank has 14k HP and the dps is heavy armor, using a restro staff and a two handed sword on the backbar. Then comes the 15 minute penalty before the cycle starts anew.
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you cant complete VMA why you want the page?
1) because you like the style but don't have any extra tickets to get them
2) because you Collect All The Things
(again - the styles are available for tickets, and tradeable for gold. There is no super special extra prestige to them. If they weren't available in either of those ways, you might have a basis for your "if you can't VMA, you can't have the styles" thing.)
disclaimer: I'm not trying to get the styles any of those ways, I think they're kind of ugly.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on August 11, 2019 11:30PM1 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.
So, like every single other style page in the last year. LOL.
I have managed to sell the odd companions style page for 1k in zone chat though.
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redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »9 stages, 4-5 rounds each, the fact that it takes so long and yet the percentage rate dropping of the style pages is under 10% seems like a kick in the face to anyone who doesn't want to do VMA 900 times.
Run veteran mode. Your problem will be fixed...
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DR4GONFL1✭✭✭✭that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.
I've made $195k selling 3 style pages already... Guess I'm an idiot... lol0 -
ATomiX69✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Good. It makes doing vet more rewarding.
^This.^
Technically, pages shouldn’t drop on normal at all ...
Yes, because if someone can't complete VMA they shouldn't have any reason to run normal. None at all. Best to just have those people farm mats and get gold to buy from You, right?
yeah sounds reasonable, now back to node farming.smurf account
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PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.
I've made $195k selling 3 style pages already... Guess I'm an idiot... lol
Yeah they're staying very strong at 50-100k each.. the people out there see the drop rate for ma and they don't even bother so the ones farming VMA every 40 minutes are racking up the $$$$.0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.
I've made $195k selling 3 style pages already... Guess I'm an idiot... lol
Yeah they're staying very strong at 50-100k each.. the people out there see the drop rate for ma and they don't even bother so the ones farming VMA every 40 minutes are racking up the $$$$.
So... the players who have put in the time and effort to get good at the game, and to get good gear in the game, have an advantage at being able to get guaranteed drops and make some gold back in this game?
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PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »that fact that idiots are trying to sell them for 50k+ right now is hysterical. Everyone on the planet is burning the ever lasting crap out of vma. it'll be a desolate wasteland next week and all the style pages will expire in guild stores for 1k each at most. If that isn't true then some apocalypse crap is happening.
I've made $195k selling 3 style pages already... Guess I'm an idiot... lol
Yeah they're staying very strong at 50-100k each.. the people out there see the drop rate for ma and they don't even bother so the ones farming VMA every 40 minutes are racking up the $$$$.
So... the players who have put in the time and effort to get good at the game, and to get good gear in the game, have an advantage at being able to get guaranteed drops and make some gold back in this game?
Thank god, it's about time. ZoS has killed many of the other gold-making opportunities for end-game players in the last years.
Is this satire? There's tons of endgame only farming opportunities.Edited by PizzaCat82 on August 12, 2019 7:40PM0 -
BooPerScOOper✭✭✭nMA takes literally, 20min on a lvl 25 character. It's some of the easiest content in the game. The drop rate should be .1%.0 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BooPerScOOper wrote: »nMA takes literally, 20min on a lvl 25 character. It's some of the easiest content in the game. The drop rate should be .1%.
9 stages
1 - 4 rounds.
2 - 4 rounds
3 - 4 rounds
4 - 4 rounds
5 - 5 rounds
6 - 5 rounds
7 - 5 rounds
8 - 5 rounds
9 - 6 rounds
20 minutes to do 42 rounds means you are averaging 30 seconds a round.
Which is *** because the loading screens between stages is 30 seconds and the wait between rounds is usually 10 seconds.
But I could be wrong. Show me a video of a console player doing normal NA in 15-20 minutes, I'll wait.
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LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..
Ha I wouldn't pay any attention to these types of post. These are the same types of people who claim they can do all the writs on 18 characters in 20 minutes. Its just rubbish.
It would be better to increase the drop rate. Even if you could do normal in 15 minutes.. . That is still 2.5 hours of your day spent and no reward for your effort.
If you pre-craft *everything* and keep your toons parked in your preferred writ location (for me, Vivec City), writs on all 18 toons in 20 minutes probably isn't much of an exaggeration. It takes me roughly 2 minutes per character and I only pre-craft foods and potions/poisons; everything else is handled with Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter. I'd say about 1m40s if I get a fast login (~20s) and a bit over 2 minutes if I catch a long login (45s+). About once a week there'll be some additional time as I go through and re-craft consumables and clean up inventory.
But anyway, the point here is that just because *you* don't do it that quickly doesn't mean that no one else does.it must be nice to be so badass.... i've never been able to run normal MA under 40+ minutes. loading screens alone add minutes of time, and even if i manage to kill things relatively quickly, i get wait time between waves and stages..
Load screens add *minutes* of time? Guess that's machine-dependent. Most of my Maelstrom stage load-screens are like ... 3 or 4 seconds maybe?0
