U23 Magsorc Nerfs are Brutal

Derra · August 2019

hamgatan wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

the HW 'rebalance' in nerfmire was more violating than this..

Depends entirely if pvp or pve perspective ; )

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

hamgatan wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

the HW 'rebalance' in nerfmire was more violating than this..

how so?

hamgatan · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

the HW 'rebalance' in nerfmire was more violating than this..

how so?

..because it made vMA virtually impossible on more than a 250 ping. 25k HW's kept us alive. 8-9k not so..

LuminaLilly · August 2019

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

Saril_Durzam · August 2019

Well, i must say that the class is way harder to play than before the patch. I will, we will, adapt, i guess. The class has now way worse survability and the DPS is balanced - trading good pet DPS with new standard dots. What that means DPS is subpar with most stam builds and it has their survability (before patch, it was better). Shrug. As i said, we will adapt.

One thing: if dots get nerfed, the class will destroy itself, Only stands thanks to general magicka dots.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

hamgatan wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

the HW 'rebalance' in nerfmire was more violating than this..

how so?

..because it made vMA virtually impossible on more than a 250 ping. 25k HW's kept us alive. 8-9k not so..

atleast you kept the HoT

Derra · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

wishlist14 · August 2019

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

worrallj wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

worrallj wrote: »

The healing and ward nerds were big, but WTF us up with the change to twighlight? A 69% reduction? That's more, a lot more, than half lol! Has it really been THAT OP for all this time? If so how did it take so long to nerf? Can someone point me to the thought process there? Not sure where to find that.

marius_buys wrote: »

Went into IC, got destroyed, respecced, got destroyed. Rage cancelled my ESO plus subs.
I simply cant survive with no shield, no heal ZOS was that REALLY neccesary?
Ya ya git gud and adapt I suppose...

Gotta admit, was waiting for the patch to go live for these posts to begins!

I don't mean to whine about how it messes me up, I don't even main sorc, maybe there really is a good reason there, I'm not a professional theory crafter. Just the idea any skill could be needed or buffed by 70% in one patch just seems kinda crazy and I don't get it. Seems like turning a cannon into a tickle noodle or vice versa.

New Twilight Matriarch:

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

mayasunrising · August 2019

marius_buys wrote: »

Went into IC, got destroyed, respecced, got destroyed. Rage cancelled my ESO plus subs.
I simply cant survive with no shield, no heal ZOS was that REALLY neccesary?
Ya ya git gud and adapt I suppose...but good god man thats going overboard!

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

Well, you feel violated. LOL My main is a Sorc and I personally have no issue with the changes. If anything my damage output has increased. I tried vet PvE content tonight and I've been in Cyro for the past 4 hours and haven't had any issues killing things/people or with sustain/healing.

mocap · August 2019

Derra · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?

That´s interesting.

wishlist14 · August 2019

marius_buys wrote: »

Went into IC, got destroyed, respecced, got destroyed. Rage cancelled my ESO plus subs.
I simply cant survive with no shield, no heal ZOS was that REALLY neccesary?
Ya ya git gud and adapt I suppose...but good god man thats going overboard!

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

You have a right to vent, I wish other ppl would respect that. If this change is upsetting you then obviously there is a problem.
Why can't players vent when changes ruin their playstyle.

Some changes can be brutal.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?

That´s interesting.

nope dont need em, i use crit surge for HoT thats about it.

Derra · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?

That´s interesting.

nope dont need em, i use crit surge for HoT thats about it.

You actually fought someone that used the new juicy dots by now? Because from my testing critsurge doesn´t even remotely cover that.

hamgatan · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

the HW 'rebalance' in nerfmire was more violating than this..

how so?

..because it made vMA virtually impossible on more than a 250 ping. 25k HW's kept us alive. 8-9k not so..

atleast you kept the HoT

not much help though with voriak solkyn hitting you with skulls AND daedroths spewing fire at you though

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?

That´s interesting.

nope dont need em, i use crit surge for HoT thats about it.

You actually fought someone that used the new juicy dots by now? Because from my testing critsurge doesn´t even remotely cover that.

yup ressistance is fine plus i hit much harder so they dont get alot of chance to stack DoTs

tim99 · August 2019

yep, the class is destroyed for me now.

i'm a mostly solo casual player, or noob or however you want to say, even if i might have played more hours than others.
my main char was just destroyed by the power surge change. i will try it of course a little bit, but i already realized it's reduced fun of playing by around 80%. No morph available.

i feel a bit sad and empty. Maybe it's time to move on after 15k hours.
A lot beginners start with sorc. Without heal a lot will have a more difficult start. Why?

If you check the builds of the top sorcs, none slotted power surge. Also pvp guides like malcolmx or whatever the name is didnt use it. So the OP-Sorcs dont care, the ones who were just kicked even if already on the ground, are all others... not the sorcs who kill you in few secs in IC or Cyro (they still will), nor the ones who runs vTrials on score (if they still exists).

Whats going on there?
When i started, casuals were at 10k dps, top player at 25k. now casuals are at 15k, top players at 90k.
"Balancing works great so far. Lets take the healing off the beginner class. Sure... Hand me over the magic mushrooms and than add some glowing shiny horses to the shop. Lets test how much we can annoy them until they stop buying our pixels for 100's of dollar or euro."

Just why?
QQ

Derra · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?

That´s interesting.

nope dont need em, i use crit surge for HoT thats about it.

You actually fought someone that used the new juicy dots by now? Because from my testing critsurge doesn´t even remotely cover that.

yup ressistance is fine plus i hit much harder so they dont get alot of chance to stack DoTs

I guess anything works when you have 30 allied players around 🤷‍♂️

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.

my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked

So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?

not on my PvP magsorc no

So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?

That´s interesting.

nope dont need em, i use crit surge for HoT thats about it.

You actually fought someone that used the new juicy dots by now? Because from my testing critsurge doesn´t even remotely cover that.

yup ressistance is fine plus i hit much harder so they dont get alot of chance to stack DoTs

I guess anything works when you have 30 allied players around 🤷‍♂️

nope solo in IC 4.7k SD, 36k mag, 28k health, 15k spell pen and 20k+ res works just fine

geonsocal · August 2019

tim99 wrote: »

i feel a bit sad and empty.

took me a while to even know there was a thing called patch notes...for a couple of years I followed them intently...tried to keep up with the changes...

now I *** dread these updates...

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

tim99 wrote: »

yep, the class is destroyed for me now.

i'm a mostly solo casual player, or noob or however you want to say, even if i might have played more hours than others.
my main char was just destroyed by the power surge change. i will try it of course a little bit, but i already realized it's reduced fun of playing by around 80%. No morph available.

i feel a bit sad and empty. Maybe it's time to move on after 15k hours.
A lot beginners start with sorc. Without heal a lot will have a more difficult start. Why?

If you check the builds of the top sorcs, none slotted power surge. Also pvp guides like malcolmx or whatever the name is didnt use it. So the OP-Sorcs dont care, the ones who were just kicked even if already on the ground, are all others... not the sorcs who kill you in few secs in IC or Cyro (they still will), nor the ones who runs vTrials on score (if they still exists).

Whats going on there?
When i started, casuals were at 10k dps, top player at 25k. now casuals are at 15k, top players at 90k.
"Balancing works great so far. Lets take the healing off the beginner class. Sure... Hand me over the magic mushrooms and than add some glowing shiny horses to the shop. Lets test how much we can annoy them until they stop buying our pixels for 100's of dollar or euro."

Just why?
QQ

90k on a buff stacked target dummy is nothing to shout about, stacking skill slots to maximise damage with ZERO slots taken up for mitigation or sustain, using sets that would NEVER be used in a trial situation to stack effects, not taking any damage or having to roll dodge or block does not take skill just muscle memory while standing still on the PTS server in perfected gear most players will never get.

Saril_Durzam · August 2019

As i said, we will adapt. Some builds will come. Sure, on parses where you dont care about survability, Sorcs will be fine.

Or we wont adapt and class is really taking a hit. Fortunatly there are many class options and lvling toons isnt hard.

Let´s give patch some time. I´m personally thrived to try new combos and skills.

Emma_Overload · August 2019

Spent all morning in the IC burning down clueless victims with my new dotsorc. Had a close call when I ran into a dotblade, but I just barely beat him. He didn't try to cloak and I didn't swap to shield bar... We both just went for broke, lol, and my dots won.

DKs and magplars are just as difficult to deal with as I predicted. Ran into a tanky StamDK I couldn't beat. Going for broke against that guy just got me killed. Heavy armor is still bs, in my opinion, needs more nerfs.

Most magsorcs are weak and not ready for the new meta, op is probably of of the ones I burned down if he's on na pc. The stupid cost of HW is fatal if you get caught in a "death spiral". I predict that once more stamina builds start optimizing all the new tools they have (like onslaught), even good Magicka sorcs are going to get their clocks cleaned. RIP sorc by the end of the month!

Rohamad_Ali · August 2019

I went from tier 0 to 3 on my sorc today in 1hr . Felt strong to me .

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Spent all morning burning down clueless victims with my new dotsorc. Had a close call when I ran into a dotblade, but I just barely beat him. He didn't try to cloak and I didn't swap to shield bar... We both just went for broke, lol, and my dots won.

DKs and magplars are just as difficult to deal with as I predicted. Ran into a tanky StamDK I couldn't beat. Going for broke against that guy just got me killed. Heavy armor is still bs, in my opinion, needs more nerfs.

Most magsorcs are weak and not ready for the new meta, op is probably of of the ones I burned down if he's on na pc. The stupid cost of HW is fatal if you get caught in a "death spiral". I predict that once more stamina builds start optimizing all the new tools they have (like onslaught), even good Magicka sorcs are going to get their clocks cleaned. RIP sorc by the end of the month!

OP is EU PC and a VERY accomplished knowledgeable player

agegarton · August 2019

Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

agegarton wrote: »

Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.

the change to Power surge is NOT minor

ThePedge · August 2019

For every need they got a buff. Non-pets are king now.