U23 Magsorc Nerfs are Brutal

marius_buys · August 2019

Went into IC, got destroyed, respecced, got destroyed. Rage cancelled my ESO plus subs.
I simply cant survive with no shield, no heal ZOS was that REALLY neccesary?
Ya ya git gud and adapt I suppose...but good god man thats going overboard!

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

Neoauspex · August 2019

So they finally, after all these years, actually nerfed sorc?

marius_buys · August 2019

Neoauspex wrote: »

So they finally, after all these years, actually nerfed sorc?

Into the ground bud, worse than the Templar nerf way back if you were around for it.

EmEm_Oh · August 2019

Was the OP in CP or NON-CP IC.

worrallj · August 2019

The healing and ward nerds were big, but WTF us up with the change to twighlight? A 69% reduction? That's more, a lot more, than half lol! Has it really been THAT OP for all this time? If so how did it take so long to nerf? Can someone point me to the thought process there? Not sure where to find that.

Kadoin · August 2019

If nothing works, go hybrid...

You'd be surprised...

brandonv516 · August 2019

Healing Ward and Regeneration got buffs, so if anything healing got better. Are you using a Resto Staff?

You might also need to wear some gear with the Impenetrable trait.

Alliedrex · August 2019

i mean power surge got a 100% nerf to self healing, if that isnt concerning i dont know what is

Skullderic · August 2019

This is nothing new, Zos has been killing Mag users for year(s). If you're talking about Power surge, Yes wth is up w/ make it a skill for heal crit, and not adding Spell damage to the other morph. again, want whatever theyre smoking.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

could of lived with most the nerf's but the nerf to power surge was a step to far.

power surge gain Major Brutality and Major Sorcery procs from crit heal
crit surge gain Major Brutality procs from crit damage and heals

how is this balanced

Taloros · August 2019

The Sorcerer nerf is, I agree, brutal. If nerfing an ability by 70% seems okay, it must be very, very overpowered before. It would require that the (previous) designer overdid the damage by a factor of THREE. That would be a jod done very, very badly. I have trouble seeing that with the Twilight Matriarch.

If the flapping wings got nerfed by 70%, I'd understand. But the damage/healing?

marius_buys · August 2019

Taloros wrote: »

The Sorcerer nerf is, I agree, brutal. If nerfing an ability by 70% seems okay, it must be very, very overpowered before. It would require that the (previous) designer overdid the damage by a factor of THREE. That would be a jod done very, very badly. I have trouble seeing that with the Twilight Matriarch.

If the flapping wings got nerfed by 70%, I'd understand. But the damage/healing?

Its the combined nerfs that were, at best, debilitating.

LightMaster7 · August 2019

The power surge nerf is the straw that broke the camel's back.

I mean I get it I could slot degeneration, but its not as good or reliable. Add a VISIBLE element to Degeneration and it might work so we have at least a visual queue when it wears off, but I really don't understand the nerf to power surge. It was the ONLY reliable heal for MagSorcs and viable one with the buffs than slotting a stupid pet.

I'm glad I won't be playing this game for much longer. Lots of nicer games out there on the horizon.

Seraphayel · August 2019

Oh, Sorcs aren't carried anymore by their pets, particularly Twilight Matriarch? Ugh, sad.

LightMaster7 · August 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Oh, Sorcs aren't carried anymore by their pets, particularly Twilight Matriarch? Ugh, sad.

Never used a pet [snip]. I hated pets. Still no real reason why they nerfed Power Surge.

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fred4 · August 2019

worrallj wrote: »

The healing and ward nerds were big, but WTF us up with the change to twighlight? A 69% reduction? That's more, a lot more, than half lol! Has it really been THAT OP for all this time?

Yes, it has! You were carried by the Twilight. It's been ridiculous. I usually play magblade. I cannot even touch a half-decent pet sorc in PvP, because of the sheer damage they do. I then took my own pet sorc, which I hardly ever play, into vMA and demolished it, despite being clumsy and unfamiliar with the build.

If so how did it take so long to nerf? Can someone point me to the thought process there? Not sure where to find that.

Pets were unpopular. ZOS buffed the crap out of them, because they (a) have no sense of proportion and (b) wanted to promote pets. Pets, or specifically the twilight, became popular. It got nerfed. That's how it goes. It's an MMO. There is no balance, just developer knee-jerk reactions, based on the popularity of stuff.

marius_buys · August 2019

No wonder some people suddenly became "sick" I would be in terror of having to explain destroying a class.

LightMaster7 · August 2019

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Hey *** who doesn't have a clue how magsorcs worked. Its not that they only nerfed pets, like I give a damn, never used it. But they nerfed MagSorc PowerSurge which was literally our MAIN SOURCE OF HEAL.

*** ***.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

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what about players who never used pets that feel the same way? the ISSUE is the power surge nerf not the *** pets

marius_buys · August 2019

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Put in the hours, go and get destroyed in pvp, then come comment again about how there are so many "bad' petsorcs.

Starlock · August 2019

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Good players who did not use pets will also be nerfed. And frankly, whether or not one is a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ player via some arbitrary standard is besides the point.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

love to see how the ppl would react if ZOS removed all the trees and rocks from cyro

SirMewser · August 2019

I tried defending the class and was told by another person that I was "QQing" for questioning/discussing the changes. (Actually she said "[pets are free damage in trials]" as justification, but I doubt that was what warranted it.)

I don't main or have played the class in over a few years now, so I won't question or defend the class any more.
Toxic people can die with the game is how I now see it, should this behaviour from both ZoS and players continue.
It's just and a sad just it is.

KillsAllElves · August 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

Healing Ward and Regeneration got buffs, so if anything healing got better. Are you using a Resto Staff?

You might also need to wear some gear with the Impenetrable trait.

a light armor mag sorc wearing impen imagine that!!!!

marius_buys · August 2019

KillsAllElves wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Healing Ward and Regeneration got buffs, so if anything healing got better. Are you using a Resto Staff?

You might also need to wear some gear with the Impenetrable trait.

a light armor mag sorc wearing impen imagine that!!!!

I will experiment with resto

Derra · August 2019

Too early for this topic.

People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.

Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.

Alienoutlaw · August 2019

Derra wrote: »

Too early for this topic.

People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.

Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.

remind me to repost this when it happen to whatever you play

Derra · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Too early for this topic.

People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.

Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.

remind me to repost this when it happen to whatever you play

I play magsorc.

LeHarrt91 · August 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Too early for this topic.

People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.

Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.

remind me to repost this when it happen to whatever you play

Read their signature...

Derra · August 2019

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Too early for this topic.

People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.

Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.

remind me to repost this when it happen to whatever you play

Read their signature...

Not even intending to make fun of sorcs - since it´s my main class since launch in 2014.

It´s just reality that due to 2 overperforming abilities and some perception problems of the non shield using playerbase the majority of ppl will rejoice about the nerfs directly after patch.
It´ll take time to settle in that the class didn´t only receive justified adjustments in the right places but instead got destroyed.

People will eventually realize that mag sorc in 5.1.x is meme quality though. That´s why i said better destroyed than mediocre. People realize it faster and narrative will change.

hamgatan · August 2019

marius_buys wrote: »

Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.

the HW 'rebalance' in nerfmire was more violating than this..