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In Memoriam a Magsorc/Pet-Sorc Sematary
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NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »a cheese dummy build with zaan's is hardly reflective of true trial/dungeon DPS where you actually have to take damage, heal, roll dodge and block, show 97k on a sunspire dragon and we'll talk
Love comments like this that are just completely ignorant of what is played and used at endgame nor understanding how dummy parses translate to trials.
You can use Zaan on the majority of bossfights in the game. Just because magicka can play ranged there often is no need to.
No class will do the damage they do on a trial dummy in an actual trial. All it shows is the maximum performance a class could achieve (if 100% major force was actually a thing). With a bunch of these parses you can still see how classes rank up against each other.
In Elsweyr one pet sorc was doing ~90k on the trial dummy and people managed parses like this with 71k single target on a dragon: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585185084252880896/606698188937756682/unknown.png
In Scalebreaker one pet sorc does ~97k on trial dummy so you can estimate the damage to only go up. Especially if they finally fixed Zaan to work on dragons which would be the only reason not to use it.
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Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭✭Wow.....The dislike for pet sorcs is real. I main one (98% PvE) and have since console release and I love the class. Learned the game on the class. Been seeing "nerf sorc" request for years, but now...I'm worried. Every MMO I've played i used a pet class. It's my favorite still more so because I prefer to solo most content in games.
I'm still not changing my build. I'll still rock pet sorcs. No matter what.12 -
Betty_Booms✭✭✭As much as i mourn the usefulness of the pets being removed, it was over preforming. The amount of heals and damage i could provide in dlc dungeons while keeping up a steady 40k dps was disgusting. But it was blasphemous that a class which is not templar could off heal to such extent, so i rerolled a templar for the upcoming patch.
It will still be able to do this tbh.0 -
Coatmagic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mourn the loss of ... what exactly?
Logged into PTS; changed the morph on exactly one skill, and had no probs doing exactly what I do on live.
Ya'll are some Chicken Little's up in here xD6 -
NeroBad✭✭✭✭ZOS kills this relatively friendly community with their too wild changes. Elitist will always applaud nerfs as there will be less people who can do the content. I have hard time understand ZOS motives in this because they have to now that most of the players are casuals, so if they will focus on the top players, they will say goodbye to the majority of their revenue. What I know if I have small enjoyment in ESO I will quit.6 -
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✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »"ESO has the best community"
Well... the 46 votes in favor of this post restored some of my faith, and I hope it does the same for you
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darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭PVE pet sorc is fine. PVP pet sorc mostly lost the cheesy body blocking and is still viable. Nothing of value was lost.1 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just remember all you negative posters. You didn't speak out when they came for pet sorcs, eventually there will be no one left to speak out when they come for you. Just saying....9 -
Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS kills this relatively friendly community with their too wild changes. Elitist will always applaud nerfs as there will be less people who can do the content. I have hard time understand ZOS motives in this because they have to now that most of the players are casuals, so if they will focus on the top players, they will say goodbye to the majority of their revenue. What I know if I have small enjoyment in ESO I will quit.
Elitists hate these nerfs because people are already bad enough, and now they'll be worse. Trying to find people who can do enough damage for trials above vet crags and stay alive is already hard, and now it's gonna be more of a crapshoot. It feels like with each major nerf, the amount of potential new blood in the endgame community shrinks. I want people to be good so there are more good people to play with.Xbox NA healer main
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EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭Michaelkeir wrote: »Wow.....The dislike for pet sorcs is real. I main one (98% PvE) and have since console release and I love the class. Learned the game on the class. Been seeing "nerf sorc" request for years, but now...I'm worried. Every MMO I've played i used a pet class. It's my favorite still more so because I prefer to solo most content in games.
I'm still not changing my build. I'll still rock pet sorcs. No matter what.
My guess, we'll still see "Sorcs 2 OP" posts in the coming weeks.3 -
crowfl56✭✭✭✭✭Biggest problem with pet sorc's is >>>>>>
They don't know how to turn off the GD winged pet.
Biggest pain in everyone's arse, being blocked from using a crafting station, being blocked from being able to turn in items.
Being able to use the bank, being able to use a wayshrine.
That one is a bad one because some twerp goes AFK and the GD winged pet blocks use of something.
5 yrs of this crap.1 -
chuck-18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭chuck-18_ESO wrote: »It's pretty disheartening to see people overjoyed at changes that deprive others of their own fun. Sure, pets in town are annoying AF, but that's no reason to laugh with glee at people who are disappointed by a massive change. I love the theme of a pet-based caster, and I'm disappointed in the nerf, but I'm far more disappointed in the community's reaction to it, and the general lack of empathy. But that's the internet for ya.
That's not internet that's pretty much life for ya, lmao. I'm actually surprised that you're surprised.chuck-18_ESO wrote: »It's pretty disheartening to see people overjoyed at changes that deprive others of their own fun. Sure, pets in town are annoying AF, but that's no reason to laugh with glee at people who are disappointed by a massive change. I love the theme of a pet-based caster, and I'm disappointed in the nerf, but I'm far more disappointed in the community's reaction to it, and the general lack of empathy. But that's the internet for ya.
That's not internet that's pretty much life for ya, lmao. I'm actually surprised that you're surprised.
At what point in my statement did I state that I was surprised? Disappointment and shock are very different things.The Exclusionary Mandates of Maruhkite Selection: All Are Equal
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markulrich1966✭✭✭✭✭
✭Biggest problem with pet sorc's is >>>>>>
They don't know how to turn off the GD winged pet.
Biggest pain in everyone's arse, being blocked from using a crafting station, being blocked from being able to turn in items.
Being able to use the bank, being able to use a wayshrine.
That one is a bad one because some twerp goes AFK and the GD winged pet blocks use of something.
5 yrs of this crap.
I made this mistake at lower ranks, until I learned that I can fight more efficiently replacing the twilight with skills like magelight (increased critical rate) and power surge (major sorcery).
Another theoretical option to gain major sorcery would be entropy from the mages guild skill line, but it has two disadvantages:
- just 20 sec instead of 33 sec
- it currently is broken, heavy staff attacks no longer work corerctly once you cast it
As a consequence, I think I might be forced to use the twilight again once power surge is nerfed, and if others come to the same conclusion, you will end up with many MORE of the annoying fluttering beasts than less.Edited by markulrich1966 on August 12, 2019 1:47PM1 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Michaelkeir wrote: »Wow.....The dislike for pet sorcs is real. I main one (98% PvE) and have since console release and I love the class. Learned the game on the class. Been seeing "nerf sorc" request for years, but now...I'm worried. Every MMO I've played i used a pet class. It's my favorite still more so because I prefer to solo most content in games.
I'm still not changing my build. I'll still rock pet sorcs. No matter what.
My guess, we'll still see "Sorcs 2 OP" posts in the coming weeks.
Of course. Everyone else think that the ability to even do light attacks is EVIL and SHALL BE DESTROYED when done by a Sorc. Worse if it's a MagSorc. Worst if it's a PET MagSorc, those are deemed worthy of 999 hells.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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✭✭almightyalfo wrote: »Well deserved nerf, at least now we're not going to see matriarchs flapping their wings everywhere we go.
I'm going to keep my flapper out all the time now just to spite people like you. Park it right next to the crafting stations or writ hand in boxes *evil laughter*15 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Biggest problem with pet sorc's is >>>>>>
They don't know how to turn off the GD winged pet.
Biggest pain in everyone's arse, being blocked from using a crafting station, being blocked from being able to turn in items.
Being able to use the bank, being able to use a wayshrine.
That one is a bad one because some twerp goes AFK and the GD winged pet blocks use of something.
5 yrs of this crap.
Well, with this ZOS attitude, I am going to use my Wardrobe addon and switch to dual pet every time I go in town and I will fully go AFK over craft shops.
All sorcs should do so, in protest for ZOS lunacy and incompetence to balance PvP at expense of FUN and PvE.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
Trials addict, soloer extraordinaire!
Here are my Elder Scrolls Online videos
Here is the Sorcerer Helper addon I have updated to work on current ESO12 -
StormChaser3000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Biggest problem with pet sorc's is >>>>>>
They don't know how to turn off the GD winged pet.
Biggest pain in everyone's arse, being blocked from using a crafting station, being blocked from being able to turn in items.
Being able to use the bank, being able to use a wayshrine.
That one is a bad one because some twerp goes AFK and the GD winged pet blocks use of something.
5 yrs of this crap.
Well, with this ZOS attitude, I am going to use my Wardrobe addon and switch to dual pet every time I go in town and I will fully go AFK over craft shops.
All sorcs should do so, in protest for ZOS lunacy and incompetence to balance PvP at expense of FUN and PvE.
A bunch of petsorcs will become crafters anyway so... to enjoy some company they will keep both pets up...at those crafting stations Edited by StormChaser3000 on August 12, 2019 2:07PM1 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StormChaser3000 wrote: »Biggest problem with pet sorc's is >>>>>>
They don't know how to turn off the GD winged pet.
Biggest pain in everyone's arse, being blocked from using a crafting station, being blocked from being able to turn in items.
Being able to use the bank, being able to use a wayshrine.
That one is a bad one because some twerp goes AFK and the GD winged pet blocks use of something.
5 yrs of this crap.
Well, with this ZOS attitude, I am going to use my Wardrobe addon and switch to dual pet every time I go in town and I will fully go AFK over craft shops.
All sorcs should do so, in protest for ZOS lunacy and incompetence to balance PvP at expense of FUN and PvE.
A bunch of petsorcs will become crafters anyway so... to enjoy some company they will keep both pets up...at those crafting stations
I have Scamp and dragon toy pet too, it's awesome to flood everywhere with flappies
Edited by Vahrokh on August 12, 2019 2:08PMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
Trials addict, soloer extraordinaire!
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Here is the Sorcerer Helper addon I have updated to work on current ESO2 -
Bealeb319✭✭✭✭I really enjoyed my pet sorc healer guess now I will be stuck playing the same exact build as everyone else...good job whiners?3
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DJfriede✭✭✭✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »finally! No more 14k frags in the back of my poor tank! :DD anyhow, now that we are talking nerfs ... what is this shock stuff that magplar wears that kills u in 2 secs?
https://eso-sets.com/set/aurorans-thunder
I think it is this one.1 -
Kurkikohtaus✭✭✭In the lifetime of this game, there has never seemed to be a master plan towards which classes were being nudged with regards to balance in both PvE and PvP. Changes and nerfs have always seemed to be knee-jerk bandaids that "fix" one problem but create many more.
But with the current state of sorcs, what problem exactly were they trying to fix?5 -
Animal_Mother✭✭✭✭Veinblood1965 wrote: »Just remember all you negative posters. You didn't speak out when they came for pet sorcs, eventually there will be no one left to speak out when they come for you. Just saying....
Boo hoo.
Where were you? They already came for us years ago. You are far from the most nerfed class in ESO; that distinction probably belongs to either DK or Templar.
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Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Animal_Mother wrote: »Veinblood1965 wrote: »Just remember all you negative posters. You didn't speak out when they came for pet sorcs, eventually there will be no one left to speak out when they come for you. Just saying....
Boo hoo.
Where were you? They already came for us years ago. You are far from the most nerfed class in ESO; that distinction probably belongs to either DK or Templar.
My other main is a DK tank and that last SnB change was the final straw for me and I voiced my opinion by cancelling my sub was only here for a year but just got sick to death of the constant play changes. I just started mid year last year so wasn't around for the previous fun DK nerfs. We can talk about all these changes all we want but until it affects the revenue nothing will change. Just look at WoW for example, after people fled like rats it's now time for Wow Classic.
Until someone in accounting shows a bar graph in a meeting that shows an ever decreasing revenue stream that correlates to each nerf/change nothing will change. It's that way with most corporations, they either change or go the way of Kmart and Sears. It's when the general player base starts quitting then things may change, you know they player base that doesn't visit these forums.Edited by Veinblood1965 on August 12, 2019 4:22PM1 -
Deter1UK✭✭✭✭✭eBiggest problem with pet sorc's is >>>>>>
They don't know how to turn off the GD winged pet.
Biggest pain in everyone's arse, being blocked from using a crafting station, being blocked from being able to turn in items.
Being able to use the bank, being able to use a wayshrine.
That one is a bad one because some twerp goes AFK and the GD winged pet blocks use of something.
5 yrs of this crap.
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭well its official no self heal for a sorc outside of the twilight.........................game DELETED1 -
Kagukan✭✭✭✭✭
✭Will still play pet sorc. Not dead at all. I will feed on all the hate for my character.3 -
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✭Veinblood1965 wrote: »Just remember all you negative posters. You didn't speak out when they came for pet sorcs, eventually there will be no one left to speak out when they come for you. Just saying....
They already came for tanks multiple times. We figured out how to adapt though. Can you?1 -
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✭✭quadraxis666 wrote: »Veinblood1965 wrote: »Just remember all you negative posters. You didn't speak out when they came for pet sorcs, eventually there will be no one left to speak out when they come for you. Just saying....
They already came for tanks multiple times. We figured out how to adapt though. Can you?
That certainly explains the shortages 2
