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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo act about loot boxes
themaddaedra
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So this may or may not make a big difference to how the gaming market is now but all three major companies have committed to requiring all publishers of games on their respective platforms to disclose the odds of receiving types of in-game items from loot boxes in all future titles.
This definitely isn't the end of crown crates or something but it's still big imo as ZOS will have to clearly indicate the odds of getting each item in the crates soon. I'm entirely excited to see whether they will just come up like hey your chance to get this mount is %0,05 or they will just increase the rates to avoid the shame as much as they can.
Resource: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/7/20758626/nintendo-microsoft-sony-loot-box-drop-rate-disclosure-video-games
Edited by themaddaedra on August 10, 2019 11:35AM This definitely isn't the end of crown crates or something but it's still big imo as ZOS will have to clearly indicate the odds of getting each item in the crates soon. I'm entirely excited to see whether they will just come up like hey your chance to get this mount is %0,05 or they will just increase the rates to avoid the shame as much as they can.
Resource: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/7/20758626/nintendo-microsoft-sony-loot-box-drop-rate-disclosure-video-games
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Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/488374/loot-box-odds-update
Whales won't care, they're just gonna buy the crates anyway.
Edited by Edaphon on August 10, 2019 12:06PM6 -
Kaylenx✭These have been coming out for a while now and the regulations are not really defined as to what has to be disclosed, it just seems really open ended to me, and open for a lot of interpretation.
It could be as vague as;4 Items guaranteed of Common Quality or Higher.
OR what will likely happen is they will show just the chance of dropping each quality.Common - 98.7%
Rare - 1.2%
Legendary - 0.1%
Apex - 0.0001%0 -
Vlad9425✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This won't stop people from buying loot boxes. If they want to reduce the amount of loot boxes people buy they must force developers to make all the items in those loot boxes available for purchase directly (kind of like the crown gems system they have in ESO except this system requires you to buy loot boxes in the first place). The other option of course is to just ban loot boxes outright.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If the whales cared, they could look at the practical odds that players have recorded.
I think its a positive step to require official odds since it prevents all sorts of mischief.1 -
Mancombe_Nosehair✭✭✭✭✭If it only effects future titles, then eso won't be required to do so, perhaps until the next chapter comes out.0
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Anything that stops the whales I’m all for
😂 Please expand on this comment
When did the people who fund the game you play become the enemy?
Also,VaranisArano wrote: »If the whales cared, they could look at the practical odds that players have recorded.
I think its a positive step to require official odds since it prevents all sorts of mischief.
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therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The Federal Trade Commission isn't done.
These news articles are drawn from the first of three panels examining the role of loot boxes in video games.
The typical FTC process is one or more public discussion panels followed by a public comment period, followed by action from the Feds.
If you feel strongly about loot boxes, you should submit your opinion to the FTC. All comments are compiled and become part of the regulatory process.
The fact that Sony, Microsoft, and several major publishers (including Bethesda) have begun creating an industry standard is a strong indicator that the industry is gearing up for regulatory action. The final action may be a consent decree in which a modified version of this initial industry action becomes an enforceable regulation.
Most people are unfamiliar with the FTC and may think little will change. The fact is the FTC is one of the most active and powerful regulatory agencies, and the questions posed by the Commissioners indicates they have more than casual understanding of the loot box mechanism. This mechanism falls squarely in the Feds' area of expertise.
I suggest getting the facts straight from the FTC. I've found the reporting by gaming journalists to be light on salient details and somewhat naive in content. They mostly appear to be regurgitated press releases by kids working on their student newspapers.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭luton0watford4 wrote: »If it only effects future titles, then eso won't be required to do so, perhaps until the next chapter comes out.
Its new titles and future updates that have loot boxes, once this gets implemented (probably sometime in 2020).
So yeah, don't expect it immediately, but eventually we should see official odds for new crown crates.0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »So this may or may not make a big difference to how the gaming market is now but all three major companies have committed to requiring all publishers of games on their respective platforms to disclose the odds of receiving types of in-game items from loot boxes in all future titles.
This definitely isn't the end of crown crates or something but it's still big imo as ZOS will have to clearly indicate the odds of getting each item in the crates soon. I'm entirely excited to see whether they will just come up like hey your chance to get this mount is %0,05 or they will just increase the rates to avoid the shame as much as they can.
Resource: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/7/20758626/nintendo-microsoft-sony-loot-box-drop-rate-disclosure-video-games
Avoid the shame?!?! WTF? They have proven that they have no shame when it comes to these boxes and over time the community has pretty much discovered the drop odds already.
This not only changes nothing, but it may in fact INCREASE the buying of the crates because some people will see the odds and see false hope.
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Van_Winkle✭✭✭✭Loot boxes is a most disgusting thing in industry. Pure cancer. They just replace normal content with this gambling thing. And i remember times, when you enter a shop (not in Eso) and see many intresting costumes and other things, that you can just buy. I wonder, when this will hapen in common markets - you came for bread, but you must buy a box with random things xD2 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is a Cheech and Chong song called save the whales . Cash crates are their favorite food .1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Anything that stops the whales I’m all for
The whales are going to spend a lot anyway, cause they have extra money to throw away lol. Only a fool would think anything would stop the whales.
I buy lots of crates myself because I simply make more than enough to throw it away at crates.
I know that buying 100-150 crates usually gets me everything they offer anyway regardless of the chance.
Except radiants and Idc about those in the first place cause there's no preview.Edited by Nyladreas on August 10, 2019 5:47PM2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No offense but how many threads do we need on the very same subject that offer nothing unique? Was there so little interest in the topic that the other threads died off fast or something else?
I fail to see this as a big deal. It would just be posting odds of something dropping. We already know apex has a low drop rate. To know it is 1% vs 2% is not a big deal.Edited by idk on August 10, 2019 5:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭People with the funds (aka whales) will buy the crates anyway. The only thing that will stop loot crates is their elimination and I don't see that happening - at least not in the U.S.
Lobbyists are too powerful here in the U.S. and the dollar will outweigh any protests against this stuff. Rail against it all you guys want ( I hate the loot crates and will support any effort to eliminate them ), but history shows very clearly how this will play out.
Just follow the money trail.
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »People with the funds (aka whales) will buy the crates anyway. The only thing that will stop loot crates is their elimination and I don't see that happening - at least not in the U.S.
Lobbyists are too powerful here in the U.S. and the dollar will outweigh any protests against this stuff. Rail against it all you guys want ( I hate the loot crates and will support any effort to eliminate them ), but history shows very clearly how this will play out.
Just follow the money trail.
Exactly what I was also describing.1 -
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✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »People with the funds (aka whales) will buy the crates anyway. The only thing that will stop loot crates is their elimination and I don't see that happening - at least not in the U.S.
Lobbyists are too powerful here in the U.S. and the dollar will outweigh any protests against this stuff. Rail against it all you guys want ( I hate the loot crates and will support any effort to eliminate them ), but history shows very clearly how this will play out.
Just follow the money trail.
Exactly what I was also describing.
Brother, It's your money to do what you please. I don't like the crates so I don't partake but it's not my place to besmirch you for buying them (or whatever the hell you want for that matter)
Don't let anyone make you feel guilty for being successful and spending YOUR money on whatever blows your dress up.2 -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭No offense but how many threads do we need on the very same subject that offer nothing unique? Was there so little interest in the topic that the other threads died off fast or something else?
I fail to see this as a big deal. It would just be posting odds of something dropping. We already know apex has a low drop rate. To know it is 1% vs 2% is not a big deal.
I mean it should be quite obvious that i wasn't aware of the other thread. I checked the first two pages and was nothing so i assumed it didn't exist.PC|EU0 -
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✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »No offense but how many threads do we need on the very same subject that offer nothing unique? Was there so little interest in the topic that the other threads died off fast or something else?
I fail to see this as a big deal. It would just be posting odds of something dropping. We already know apex has a low drop rate. To know it is 1% vs 2% is not a big deal.
I mean it should be quite obvious that i wasn't aware of the other thread. I checked the first two pages and was nothing so i assumed it didn't exist.
I posted a thread on the FTC panel shortly after it concluded and ahead of most of the press. A friend of mine attended.
Unfortunately, the thread was closed since several participants chose to speculate on politics rather than discuss how the FTC involvement may influence ESO. If you look up the thread, my link to the FTC's information page is still available. That is where proceedings will be published and how you may participate during the public comment period.
The press coverage I have seen has been amateur at best and demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the FTC.
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