Loot box odds Update

Wolfpaw

This is great news, how soon can we expect ZOS's update?

"I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.

I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."

https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features.

Eso isnt a new game and already as the crown crate so we may not be affected by this but we also get new crate every 3 month or so.this couls also only affect new crate.
We'll see

Wolfpaw

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features.

Eso isnt a new game and already as the crown crate so we may not be affected by this but we also get new crate every 3 month or so.this couls also only affect new crate.
We'll see

The wording seems loose, but ESO does have updates that include loot box features.

lygerseye

This article says Bethesda has agreed... But the PC platform is not included in any of this.

“Those who have signed up include Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco, Bethesda, Bungie, EA, Take-Two Interactive, Ubisoft, Wizards of the Coast and Warner Bros.”

https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/07/sony-microsoft-nintendo-loot-box-odds/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLzhWdVhnT2VJc3Q&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEYt4dLOBgnqHwX7XIpfB1ZwEmJJJ1Kvu_XbvRqti4GhTE1DMBKrzDNbJ0VZxjhZyZRiz2rGddHlXf2d_8us7ym1cb-XizMJtlPTg-BqFqH2p0EKo-ziFqkO8Ic6YbRQYi_ZhFrCErFP24OmDQiYHVeR70BDzuZK7J_b2OhRIF7Q

NordSwordnBoard

Primary Source: https://www.theesa.com/perspectives/video-game-industry-commitments-to-further-inform-consumer-purchases/


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6261263#Comment_6261263

ArchMikem

I expect it to be revealed that the Apex Mounts will have a 0.02% chance or something like that and everyone will lose it.

Girl_Number8

Wolfpaw wrote: »

This is great news, how soon can we expect ZOS's update?

"I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.

I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."

https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo

It would be great to see the odds. Bet Zos would adjust them before actually showing them, lol.

Skwor

Why care? What is the practical difference between .0001% and .001%? Only a naive person would not understand the apex rewards are VERY rare.

Partomax

Skwor wrote: »

Why care? What is the practical difference between .0001% and .001%? Only a naive person would not understand the apex rewards are VERY rare.

The difference between 1/1000 and 1/10000 is very significant, regardless I doubt it's anywhere near as low.

WeylandLabs

Can somebody create a poll of what players think the chances % are of getting the best / worst items in the game ?

I'm guessing 0.01% for rare mounts. And 0.00% for anything beyond rare mounts 😂

Androconium

Skwor wrote: »

Why care? What is the practical difference between .0001% and .001%? Only a naive person would not understand the apex rewards are VERY rare.

Only a naive person would assume that the numbers of Naive People are relatively low.
Only a naive person would assume that businesses don't specifically target Naive People and/or behaviour.


VERY rare. What, in your educated opinion, does "VERY rare" equate to statistically?

The WHOLE ***-ING POINT is that different people (naive or otherwise) will come up with a differing answers. How can anyone make a rational, informed choice, when the odds are not publicly defined?

FURTHERMORE, ZOS continually revise the odds in everything in this game; it's part of the fundamental game structure.
We all know it as RNG.

You can keep niavely flogging the Nanny State dead horse all you like. It's still dead.

DKMaestro

I would love it, if I could sort my mounts according to rarity.
Think I have two APEX, but I usually match my mount to whatever I am wearing, because FASHION

YaYaPineapple

The crowncrates.com site publishes drop rates from crown crates.

Granted, its not the same as ZOS publishing them... I'm just saying the information is available for those who want to know.

WeylandLabs

Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.

These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.

zaria

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.

These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.

Odds in casinos are very well known for most games.
It also tend to be regulated so tricks like having a slot machine letting you win a bit at the start to keep you going and then reducing odds would be highly illegal in Vegas.

Odds for crown crates are also pretty well known
https://www.crowncrates.com/baandaripedlar

Davor

So. Microsoft and Sony support gambling still. How sad.

Tommy_The_Gun

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

This is great news, how soon can we expect ZOS's update?

"I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.

I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."

https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo

It would be great to see the odds. Bet Zos would adjust them before actually showing them, lol.

5 pcs: When you open a loot box, you increase a chance to get radiant apex reward in the next loot box by 0.0001%, stacking up to 100 %. This effect resets every 24h.

Huyen

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.

These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.

Indeed. Like they would post actual numbers that would be hurting their cashflow... its a shareholder company after all...

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Huyen wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.

These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.

Indeed. Like they would post actual numbers that would be hurting their cashflow... its a shareholder company after all...

Ironic considering some casinos now are allowing people to ban themselves than showing their odds

jainiadral

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.

These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.

In Vegas, they blast the odds all over the place on signs outside. Great payout! 98.2221% It's like an ad for how little you're destined to lose. Look, less than 2.0006325% at the Excalibur. No, let's go to the creepy run-down place on the edge of the strip! It's only 1.9996 there!

It's hilarious, really

Taloros

Would be good if ZOS decides to publish the chances.

Considering players found a way to figure out the results already (using AddOns and community effort), it should be a hard decision for them.

Skwor

Partomax wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Why care? What is the practical difference between .0001% and .001%? Only a naive person would not understand the apex rewards are VERY rare.

The difference between 1/1000 and 1/10000 is very significant, regardless I doubt it's anywhere near as low.

You obviously missed the practical part (RIF). There is a large difference between 1 bean and 10 beans but neither makes a meal so both amounts are not practical.

daemonios

Honestly, do you think the odds are the issue here? Not the shady tactics that use known psychological reward mechanisms to trigger more sales, not just of loot crates but of every item in the Clown Store?

This reeks of a diversion. I read somewhere that some big studios have promised to do something about this by the end of 2020 (how could this possibly take over a year to implement?). So the industry buys themselves a full year to keep stuffing games with every kind of convenience item for inconveniences they create and control, every kind of reskinned cosmetic item they can churn out in a few hours and sell at zero cost for each additional unit, every kind of time-limited promo, even though time-limited promos used to be a way to flush out old stock and you can't even speak of a stock in digital wares...

You keep justifying those microtransactions, keep telling yourselves that it's just this once, keep telling yourselves that you don't mind paying for it if you want something, then complain that games are buggier, grindier and all around crappier.

KerinKor

daemonios wrote: »

Honestly, do you think the odds are the issue here? Not the shady tactics that use known psychological reward mechanisms to trigger more sales, not just of loot crates but of every item in the Clown Store?

This reeks of a diversion. I read somewhere that some big studios have promised to do something about this by the end of 2020 (how could this possibly take over a year to implement?). So the industry buys themselves a full year to keep stuffing games with every kind of convenience item for inconveniences they create and control, every kind of reskinned cosmetic item they can churn out in a few hours and sell at zero cost for each additional unit, every kind of time-limited promo, even though time-limited promos used to be a way to flush out old stock and you can't even speak of a stock in digital wares...

You keep justifying those microtransactions, keep telling yourselves that it's just this once, keep telling yourselves that you don't mind paying for it if you want something, then complain that games are buggier, grindier and all around crappier.

This!

The ESA is in full 'diversion' mode and politicians are so clueless (as they are on most things) they're already accepting it as a 'solution', so expect EA, Activsion, ZOS, etc. to carry on their scummy practices with in-game gambling with no concern for the effects on the vulnerable .. gotta keep those whaling fleets at sea!

therift

So...

How many of you are planning to file a comment with the FTC?

Elsonso

therift wrote: »

So...

How many of you are planning to file a comment with the FTC?

Probably not...

"Major publishers appear to suddenly have become champions of odds disclosures"

Bethesda/ZOS is apparently not too keen about this. I don't see them being proactive and rushing out there to publish this stuff.