RNG issues? Who cares? Not Zos
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ShadowWolf44✭✭✭Everyone has to deal with the RNG.
Your choosing to gamble if you refine your mats, do what others do who don't like the RNG, sell the raw mats, for a fixed profit let others gamble.
If you want a laugh:
https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Random+Number+Generator
I did. And this might be the best response here. After posting yesterday, I asked myself why I don't just sell the mats I farm, and buy the gold. Never really thought of it, as I've played solo, up until 6-7 months ago. That might be my best option, since it obviously won't change.
I really don't like having to pad my home, before I begin refining, -js0 -
ShadowWolf44✭✭✭ShadowWolf44 wrote: »So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue?
Because it's not an issue at all.ShadowWolf44 wrote: »The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else.
Then I have good news for you: you are already being treated like everyone else.
We all have the same chances of getting gold mats.
Really? Please, tell me, how many times have you refined over 4 thousand Ancestor silk, and received just 1 D. wax? 3k Platinum Dust, and gotten 2 Chromium? No? Hmm. Guess it's not the same. Oh, and please, provide pictures. I have mine, you bring yours.0 -
ShadowWolf44✭✭✭You're not happy with the RNG so you go to, "they are DISCRIMINATING against ME."
There is no issue. EVERYONE has to deal with RNG; some days it is good to us (US), most days it is bad.
That's just the way it is; that is how it is intended to function. For all of us; YOU are not being singled-out.
This is not something unique to ZOS; if you think it is, then you are either very young, or you don't play very many current video games.
If they (the gaming industry, in general) weighted RNG in our (OUR) favor, then we'd all get everything we wanted without much effort and sooner rather than later wouldn't have a reason to keep playing these loot-hunt kind of games.
It's possible you haven't received a response to your reports/tickets...
...maybe because they (ZOS) see your "complaint" as frivolous. (You're just grumpy about an aspect of the game that is working as it's supposed to.)
(though practically-speaking, if you simply didn't respond to the canned auto-reply then your "issue" doesn't get elevated to a real person. You must respond to that initial response in order for them to flag it as still active. Otherwise they assume it has resolved and they close the ticket and move on to the next ticket in the mountain of support requests that they receive.)
If it were the same, I wouldn't have posted. I have the screenshots to PROVE what I've been saying. As I asked one other, have you refined over 4k Ancestor silks, and only received ONE D. Wax? 3k Platinum Dust, and received 2 Chromium grains? No?
I NEVER asked for RNG to be turned to my favor. I've never asked for ANYTHING, as I posted. The "discrimination" aspect, I should have left out of this post, but it is very real. And it's not that, "Maybe you didn't receive a response to a post", I've not received a response to many posts. On a variety of issues. However, I USED to receive responses, that is, until I linked other social media platforms, to my account. That is when everything changed. I am not a serial whiner to Zos. However, there is NO game I've ever played, and I've been gaming for decades, where issues I've attempted to report, went un-responded to, other than a CGR, that had NOTHING to do, with the original report. And, yes, I know how to supposedly reach a person. This is where the problem comes in. When you HAVE evidence, of what you are speaking of, I would think they'd like to see it. They have NEVER requested my evidence. Not once.
See, most games care about their players. ALL of them.0 -
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✭ShadowWolf44 wrote: »No clue what else I can do, other than maybe calling the consumer affairs offices.
lol WTF, really?
If your luck is so bad and ZOS hate you, maybe you should consider selling raw materials and with that gold just buy what you need.1 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
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I know this may seem hard to believe but there isn't a conspiracy against your account.
ZoS doesnt have an employee that sits there and gives one acount better RNG than others and another account zero chance to get something.
Always refine on a character with maxed crafting. Seems to have a better chance.
If you have other characters with max points in crafting, try refining on a different one. I've had one character that SEEMED to get better RNG than others at tiles but in the end its just all RNG.
Also don't refine on a station in a guild hall or house. Rumor has it you get better RNG on stations out in the world.
I've no proof to back that up or any of these rumors really but I've heard people say it.Beta tester November 20132 -
Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ShadowWolf44 wrote: »ShadowWolf44 wrote: »So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue?
Because it's not an issue at all.ShadowWolf44 wrote: »The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else.
Then I have good news for you: you are already being treated like everyone else.
We all have the same chances of getting gold mats.
Really? Please, tell me, how many times have you refined over 4 thousand Ancestor silk, and received just 1 D. wax? 3k Platinum Dust, and gotten 2 Chromium? No? Hmm. Guess it's not the same. Oh, and please, provide pictures. I have mine, you bring yours.
Same amount of times as you: 0
You're obviously terrible at tracking your mats or you didn't put any skillpoints in the extraction passives.
Install this addon: https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2130-RefinementTracker.html
Turn the two options marked in red on:
Refine at least 10k mats of each type and then come back here with the results.
If you really get "around 1:600 and worse" I'll send you 1 million gold. Enough to buy plenty of gold mats.1 -
ShadowWolf44✭✭✭@ShadowWolf44
I know this may seem hard to believe but there isn't a conspiracy against your account.
ZoS doesnt have an employee that sits there and gives one acount better RNG than others and another account zero chance to get something.
Always refine on a character with maxed crafting. Seems to have a better chance.
If you have other characters with max points in crafting, try refining on a different one. I've had one character that SEEMED to get better RNG than others at tiles but in the end its just all RNG.
Also don't refine on a station in a guild hall or house. Rumor has it you get better RNG on stations out in the world.
I've no proof to back that up or any of these rumors really but I've heard people say it.
The "discriminate" portion of my post, was better let for another time, if at all, on the forums. However, this is not to say it was inaccurate. What I am saying, is that it has been blatantly evident, just not in regards to anything RNG. That was not what I mean, but I appears that way. I have other evidence of what I'm speaking about in this regard, but I let it bleed into this post.
It's strange that anyone would think, that getting 1-2 gold, refining 4k items, would be considered a normal aspect of the game. I actually posted a slightly better ratio, that I've been getting over the years, to see if more people fit into this category. And there have been. Several.
I know RNG. I know gaming, having been at it for a long time. I've played a plethora of games in my life.What I'm experiencing is extremely abnormal. This is the only reason I bring it up. Something IS wrong with the RNG, when the majority of players, from my research, personal interactions, etc, avg 1:150-1:200 in this game, which is a legitimate drop rate, so people will be able to craft gold armor, being a maxed crafter, as I am, save a couple of motifs to Grand Master. My actual average, is 1:650. I have about 100 screenshots to prove this.
Lastly. I've never asked for anything out of this, other than for someone to look into it. No one will. They won't even respond, other than generic answers, that solve nothing. If people are going to have to craft for 10 years, before they can feel comfortable making the armor they wish to make, and have to forget about other, newer sets, for another 10 years, because of a moronic drop rate? I would think this would at least warrant looking into. Don't you?0 -
angelncelestine✭✭✭✭Sorry to hear about your bad luck OP. As someone above has suggested try only refining only a stack of 200 max at a time. If you aren't getting any save them for another day. I have done this for years, and it does seem to help. I also do the same with fishy's I fillet.0 -
ShadowWolf44✭✭✭About 15 minutes ago, I refined 1.4k Rubedite ingots. I received 10 gold. 1:140. Never happened before. In the entire time I've been playing. Funny that. And I'm grateful. Seriously. Now for the- "See, now stop your whining" garbage, lol. Yup, everything's better now. Can forget about the 3+ years of what happened. Or, maybe, at least I'm being honest about what's going on. -the "discrimination" part, (which is a combination of things, and something I should have left out of this post), that some on here wished to focus on, instead of the main body, of what I was talking about.
If what was told to me, "Things will even out", turns out to be true, just that it takes 3 YEARS to occur, you can bet your arse, I'll post that in here, as well. I've not asked for anything, other than a chance, to make some gold armor for my character. I've learned some new things, and, maybe it would be best for me to sell the mats, and just buy the gold. As I've stated, I've played solo most of my time. Just joined the larger guild I'm in, about 6-7 month ago. So that may be the best option.
I have zero issues with working hard, learning my jobs, helping others, etc. However, if I have an issue, and post about, I would like to find solutions to things. That's all I've asked. I don't really care if others actually do whine about little things. That's them. I'd just like to solve this, so I can progress playing, like everyone else.
I'll update, as I've always said, if it ever really does begin to "even out". Bank on it.0 -
thermatico✭✭✭✭Keyword here is random. Nothing is guaranteed. Do you think they can just magically turn your personal RNG up?
lmao.1 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS RNG is weighted ...
Don't let anyone tell you "Oh, it's just RNG". No, it's not. It's weighted.
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Grandma✭✭✭✭✭i get about 1-2 per 100 for normal crafts. jewelry i've gotten 3 chromium dust in the past year. all my dust is pretty much from deconning vhm trial gems and writs.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer0 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ShadowWolf44 wrote: »SidraWillowsky wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »This is not normal ratio, normal is 1 temper per 200-250. If player have stable 1 per 500 over 4 years... then something is wrong. But this must be documented before ZOS will start doing anything.
Optionally, you can sell raw mats they are expensive and give you much better ratio then 1:500.
Yeah, I agree here- I don't think it's unreasonable for OP to be upset with that absurd ratio. If they were upset about this after a week or so of that drop rate that's one thing, but if OP's drop rate over years is 1 in 500.... yeah. Short-term RNG is one thing but the whole point is that over a period of time you'll hit a certain average (Central Limit Theorem). If you're not hitting that value after years, there's something wrong wither either the RNG or the underlying average.
That said... calling it discrimination is ridiculous.
It seems as if more people agree that it's a normal ratio, do perhaps you are on thepre lucky side?
I should apologize. Not about the discrimination aspect, because there is much, much more to that aspect, than I was willing to go into, as my post was overly long already. That being said, I should have left that for another time.
If everyone in the game was getting between 1:300, 1:500, I wouldn't have made a post. Maybe, the people posting that this is the same ratio they are getting, just proves that there IS an issue. With the facts being, after researching it online, that the majority of people are getting 1 gold drop, on average, 1:150-1:200, then maybe the RNG isn't calibrated correctly.
I mean, sure, I could just attribute it to "bad luck", except it effects my progress in the game. Was this the intention of RNG? No. RNG, is supposed to make it fair for everyone. If this is not happening, the very least Zos could do, is look into it. Which they've never once done. They've never even asked me for some of the hundreds of screenshots I know have, backing me up.
I don't think this is asking too much.
May I ask where that information is coming from? I'm not gonna make you dig up sources if it's been a while; but if you have something I'd be interested. I understand your point that maybe those of us with the same ratio are experiencing the same problem -- but IMO the large size of the group still just makes it seem like it's the norm.
One thing I find important to understand is that randomness has layers. While it is true that a test group of people using the system should come closer and closer to similar numbers as they progress (mostly because I assume that computer calculated RNG still has to come down to some kind of chance that can be measured in percent), randomness does still mean that there are expected to be wildly deviating results.
In the grand scheme of things, we are the same thing as your stacks of raw mats. Single players are not the end of the chain. We do not all give you the same ratio of outcome -- we all have varying different outcomes, whose combined results can be calculated into another average (presumably between 200 and 500). Basically the next layer of the randomness is spread among us, if that makes sense.
One thing I will tell you is this: I'm sure you know it, but this isn't going to change. There's too many variables involved for you to achieve the kind of outcome you want. Your best bet is unfortunately to adapt. I really am not trying to be negative with this, I just want to suggest that your best bet at bettering your game experience is to try and let it go.0 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ShadowWolf44 wrote: »ShadowWolf44 wrote: »I have had an issue with the RNG in this game, since the beginning. Yet, as many reports as I've filed, not a single effort has been made, to look into it. Ever. Most times, all I receive, is a CGR, which, many times, has nothing to do with the report that I filed.
This leads to having to post in the forums, where people attack/ridicule/demean the post, or act like I'M the problem. I really don't comprehend this at all. The only thing it can be, is discrimination. Maybe because I linked other platforms, and they don't agree with my POV.
All I know, is this, my avg. refining gold drops, are around 1:600 and worse. Sure, I've had a few times, over the last few years, where I actually hit the 1:150-200 range. Maybe 3 times. In 3 years. Then again, one time, after refining a little over 4k Raw Ancestor Silk, I got 1 gold. ONE. Now, I fail to see why I should have to accept this garbage, or not post about it in the forum, hoping , that one day, Zos may actually DO SOMETHING.
The closest I've EVER gotten to an answer from them, was this: "Oh, don't worry, it will average out over time". I got that answer about 2 years ago. NOTHING'S changed. They have nothing that they put out, that lists what the RNG range is supposed to be, we have to get that from other players. I farm A LOT. I'm sick of it now. Tonight, I refined over 3300 clothcraft mats, I got 10 gold. For the mathmatically illiterate, that's 1:330. The time before, around 4k, I got 8. That's 1:500. Needing 8 gold, for each piece of equipment, maybe people can see, why I don't have any gold equipment.
And I've been crafting since I began. I only have enough to maybe do 1-2 full sets. I have 9 toons. And I need the others, for Master Writs. I've spoken to many people about this. Everyone can go through a short "dry spell", I get it. Mines never ended. At this rate, it will take 10+ YEARS, to get what I need for other toons. Longer.
So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue? I mean, damn, they don't even respond to reports anymore. Jewelry rates are worse. It all comes down to me having to BUY mats, and I just don't have that much gold for all of it.
The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else. period. I didn't know I could screenshot, if I'm fast enough, the crafting page. But I DID, eventually, figure it out. I HAVE Pictures now. I've offered these. No one responds.
I'm just at a loss, I guess. No clue what else I can do, other than maybe calling the consumer affairs offices, who are dealing with the "Loot Box" issues. Maybe they can find an answer. I'll post the link, on how that's turning out, below.
I remember the days, when, if we had an issue of this nature, they would bend over backwards, to make it right. And, most times, they did. For a 20 buck video game.
I guess it's just all about the money now. Sad.
Refine batches larger than 10k, make the linear average work for you, not against. Small batches will be much more spotty in returns.
At 10k my returns are 55 to 70 a batch of gold mats. That is for all types of raws. I do 40k about every 2-3 weeks.
Hmm, never done 10k. I usually begin refining around 4k, this time, however, I was around 7k. People sure have tried every trick in the book, it seems.
One time, when I posted on something similar, I was told to not refine "too quickly", because there is a program that will shut you down, thinking your a bot, doing the refining..so they have a defense against that. Not sure that's the case, but, since there really isn't any information, nor full explanations, on RNG, anything's possible.
The Dilbert post, may be the reality. And, makes more sense, than Zos ever has.
It is not a trick. All you are doing is increasing the sample size to have a better chance of achieving the rng average. It is statistical mathematics.
5 years of refining this way, my numbers are fairly consistent. And yes I am stupid rich in game.Edited by Skwor on August 9, 2019 12:00AM0
