RNG issues? Who cares? Not Zos

ShadowWolf44

I have had an issue with the RNG in this game, since the beginning. Yet, as many reports as I've filed, not a single effort has been made, to look into it. Ever. Most times, all I receive, is a CGR, which, many times, has nothing to do with the report that I filed.

This leads to having to post in the forums, where people attack/ridicule/demean the post, or act like I'M the problem. I really don't comprehend this at all. The only thing it can be, is discrimination. Maybe because I linked other platforms, and they don't agree with my POV.

All I know, is this, my avg. refining gold drops, are around 1:600 and worse. Sure, I've had a few times, over the last few years, where I actually hit the 1:150-200 range. Maybe 3 times. In 3 years. Then again, one time, after refining a little over 4k Raw Ancestor Silk, I got 1 gold. ONE. Now, I fail to see why I should have to accept this garbage, or not post about it in the forum, hoping , that one day, Zos may actually DO SOMETHING.

The closest I've EVER gotten to an answer from them, was this: "Oh, don't worry, it will average out over time". I got that answer about 2 years ago. NOTHING'S changed. They have nothing that they put out, that lists what the RNG range is supposed to be, we have to get that from other players. I farm A LOT. I'm sick of it now. Tonight, I refined over 3300 clothcraft mats, I got 10 gold. For the mathmatically illiterate, that's 1:330. The time before, around 4k, I got 8. That's 1:500. Needing 8 gold, for each piece of equipment, maybe people can see, why I don't have any gold equipment.

And I've been crafting since I began. I only have enough to maybe do 1-2 full sets. I have 9 toons. And I need the others, for Master Writs. I've spoken to many people about this. Everyone can go through a short "dry spell", I get it. Mines never ended. At this rate, it will take 10+ YEARS, to get what I need for other toons. Longer.

So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue? I mean, damn, they don't even respond to reports anymore. Jewelry rates are worse. It all comes down to me having to BUY mats, and I just don't have that much gold for all of it.

The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else. period. I didn't know I could screenshot, if I'm fast enough, the crafting page. But I DID, eventually, figure it out. I HAVE Pictures now. I've offered these. No one responds.

I'm just at a loss, I guess. No clue what else I can do, other than maybe calling the consumer affairs offices, who are dealing with the "Loot Box" issues. Maybe they can find an answer. I'll post the link, on how that's turning out, below.

I remember the days, when, if we had an issue of this nature, they would bend over backwards, to make it right. And, most times, they did. For a 20 buck video game.

I guess it's just all about the money now. Sad.

Isojukka

That's just rng working, no need to make this "problem" bigger than it is. If you don't get those gold plantings etc from refining then just buy them.

Edaphon

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue?

Because it's not an issue at all.

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else.

Then I have good news for you: you are already being treated like everyone else.
We all have the same chances of getting gold mats.

pdblake

1:500 is around what I've been getting. Jewellery even worse. Pretty much in par with what OP is getting.

I wish they'd do something about motifs and recipes too, especially the recipes returned by daily writs. I often get recipes given to me for things I've made the day before. Was it not to standard or something and they think I need to read is again, and again, and again? My bank is full of duplicate motifs, recipes and furniture plans, and I only keep anything above green.

Isojukka

pdblake wrote: »

1:500 is around what I've been getting. Jewellery even worse. Pretty much in par with what OP is getting.

I wish they'd do something about motifs and recipes too, especially the recipes returned by daily writs. I often get recipes given to me for things I've made the day before. Was it not to standard or something and they think I need to read is again, and again, and again? My bank is full of duplicate motifs, recipes and furniture plans, and I only keep anything above green.

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

Raisin

1 gold mat every few hundred is a completely normal ratio. That's what I get.

Nice conspiracy theory though.

Edit: Also, all tickets get a CGR as first response. Then it's your turn to answer again. I have a feeling you've sent a lot of tickets over the same thing, and then always let them time out...

pdblake

Isojukka wrote: »

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

I'm saving the rare ones for other characters. The green ones usually get dumped on the nearest merchant.

zvavi

I mean, there is nothing like true rng in computing, therefore it might be a bit complicated. I would recommend just selling the non refined ones, and buying what you need...let those that have luck do the job for you :shrug:

Isojukka

pdblake wrote: »

Isojukka wrote: »

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

I'm saving the rare ones for other characters. The green ones usually get dumped on the nearest merchant.

Ah ok, but you should sell those green ones in guild trader, that way you might get more gold and you help someone else to get those recipes

pdblake

Isojukka wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

Isojukka wrote: »

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

I'm saving the rare ones for other characters. The green ones usually get dumped on the nearest merchant.

Ah ok, but you should sell those green ones in guild trader, that way you might get more gold and you help someone else to get those recipes

I'm not in a guild. Most seem to want me to pay them something and have things like Discourse installed, be available to play whenever etc. It's all too serious for me. I go to work in real life to make money. I play games for fun. I may complain now and then, but at the end of the day it's just a game. If it stops being fun I'll stop playing.

The odd guild I've come across that doesn't take things so seriously don't usually have a merchant anyway.

Maybe I'll give one of those a try and just bung them in the bank for other's to take for free.

redlink1979

It's rng.
When I get bad ratios I just stop refining. You should do the same.

MartiniDaniels

This is not normal ratio, normal is 1 temper per 200-250. If player have stable 1 per 500 over 4 years... then something is wrong. But this must be documented before ZOS will start doing anything.

Optionally, you can sell raw mats they are expensive and give you much better ratio then 1:500.

bearbelly

You're not happy with the RNG so you go to, "they are DISCRIMINATING against ME."



There is no issue. EVERYONE has to deal with RNG; some days it is good to us (US), most days it is bad.
That's just the way it is; that is how it is intended to function. For all of us; YOU are not being singled-out.

This is not something unique to ZOS; if you think it is, then you are either very young, or you don't play very many current video games.
If they (the gaming industry, in general) weighted RNG in our (OUR) favor, then we'd all get everything we wanted without much effort and sooner rather than later wouldn't have a reason to keep playing these loot-hunt kind of games.

It's possible you haven't received a response to your reports/tickets...



...maybe because they (ZOS) see your "complaint" as frivolous. (You're just grumpy about an aspect of the game that is working as it's supposed to.)
(though practically-speaking, if you simply didn't respond to the canned auto-reply then your "issue" doesn't get elevated to a real person. You must respond to that initial response in order for them to flag it as still active. Otherwise they assume it has resolved and they close the ticket and move on to the next ticket in the mountain of support requests that they receive.)

Easily_Lost

pdblake wrote: »

Isojukka wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

Isojukka wrote: »

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

I'm saving the rare ones for other characters. The green ones usually get dumped on the nearest merchant.

Ah ok, but you should sell those green ones in guild trader, that way you might get more gold and you help someone else to get those recipes

I'm not in a guild. Most seem to want me to pay them something and have things like Discourse installed, be available to play whenever etc. It's all too serious for me. I go to work in real life to make money. I play games for fun. I may complain now and then, but at the end of the day it's just a game. If it stops being fun I'll stop playing.

The odd guild I've come across that doesn't take things so seriously don't usually have a merchant anyway.

Maybe I'll give one of those a try and just bung them in the bank for other's to take for free.

If you are on PC you should try Nirn Auction House ( https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1768-NirnAuctionHouse.html#info ).

It cost nothing to post items. The only cost the seller pays is COD when the items that has been bought mails to the person.
I have been using it since it first came out and have never lost any items that I have sold.

pdblake

Easily_Lost wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

Isojukka wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

Isojukka wrote: »

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

I'm saving the rare ones for other characters. The green ones usually get dumped on the nearest merchant.

Ah ok, but you should sell those green ones in guild trader, that way you might get more gold and you help someone else to get those recipes

I'm not in a guild. Most seem to want me to pay them something and have things like Discourse installed, be available to play whenever etc. It's all too serious for me. I go to work in real life to make money. I play games for fun. I may complain now and then, but at the end of the day it's just a game. If it stops being fun I'll stop playing.

The odd guild I've come across that doesn't take things so seriously don't usually have a merchant anyway.

Maybe I'll give one of those a try and just bung them in the bank for other's to take for free.

If you are on PC you should try Nirn Auction House ( https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1768-NirnAuctionHouse.html#info ).

It cost nothing to post items. The only cost the seller pays is COD when the items that has been bought mails to the person.
I have been using it since it first came out and have never lost any items that I have sold.

Thanks. I like the look of that, looks like Tamriel Ebay, but I'm a tad averse to using add-ons, in fact I don't have any at all.

Inaya

OP has to be joking!

bmnoble

Everyone has to deal with the RNG.

Your choosing to gamble if you refine your mats, do what others do who don't like the RNG, sell the raw mats, for a fixed profit let others gamble.

If you want a laugh:

https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Random+Number+Generator

Skwor

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

I have had an issue with the RNG in this game, since the beginning. Yet, as many reports as I've filed, not a single effort has been made, to look into it. Ever. Most times, all I receive, is a CGR, which, many times, has nothing to do with the report that I filed.

This leads to having to post in the forums, where people attack/ridicule/demean the post, or act like I'M the problem. I really don't comprehend this at all. The only thing it can be, is discrimination. Maybe because I linked other platforms, and they don't agree with my POV.

All I know, is this, my avg. refining gold drops, are around 1:600 and worse. Sure, I've had a few times, over the last few years, where I actually hit the 1:150-200 range. Maybe 3 times. In 3 years. Then again, one time, after refining a little over 4k Raw Ancestor Silk, I got 1 gold. ONE. Now, I fail to see why I should have to accept this garbage, or not post about it in the forum, hoping , that one day, Zos may actually DO SOMETHING.

The closest I've EVER gotten to an answer from them, was this: "Oh, don't worry, it will average out over time". I got that answer about 2 years ago. NOTHING'S changed. They have nothing that they put out, that lists what the RNG range is supposed to be, we have to get that from other players. I farm A LOT. I'm sick of it now. Tonight, I refined over 3300 clothcraft mats, I got 10 gold. For the mathmatically illiterate, that's 1:330. The time before, around 4k, I got 8. That's 1:500. Needing 8 gold, for each piece of equipment, maybe people can see, why I don't have any gold equipment.

And I've been crafting since I began. I only have enough to maybe do 1-2 full sets. I have 9 toons. And I need the others, for Master Writs. I've spoken to many people about this. Everyone can go through a short "dry spell", I get it. Mines never ended. At this rate, it will take 10+ YEARS, to get what I need for other toons. Longer.

So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue? I mean, damn, they don't even respond to reports anymore. Jewelry rates are worse. It all comes down to me having to BUY mats, and I just don't have that much gold for all of it.

The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else. period. I didn't know I could screenshot, if I'm fast enough, the crafting page. But I DID, eventually, figure it out. I HAVE Pictures now. I've offered these. No one responds.

I'm just at a loss, I guess. No clue what else I can do, other than maybe calling the consumer affairs offices, who are dealing with the "Loot Box" issues. Maybe they can find an answer. I'll post the link, on how that's turning out, below.

I remember the days, when, if we had an issue of this nature, they would bend over backwards, to make it right. And, most times, they did. For a 20 buck video game.

I guess it's just all about the money now. Sad.

Refine batches larger than 10k, make the linear average work for you, not against. Small batches will be much more spotty in returns.

At 10k my returns are 55 to 70 a batch of gold mats. That is for all types of raws. I do 40k about every 2-3 weeks.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

lol I can't believe this is actually a post.

JazzyNova

Some people just have bad RNG, while others have real luck. RNG is essentially the building block for everything in this game, whether you're refining mats, farming for sets and mats, boss fights, crit chance, it is working as intended. The only time something is truly guaranteed in this game are skill points, gold, guild store items and craftable sets; everything else is just RNG.

SidraWillowsky

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

This is not normal ratio, normal is 1 temper per 200-250. If player have stable 1 per 500 over 4 years... then something is wrong. But this must be documented before ZOS will start doing anything.

Optionally, you can sell raw mats they are expensive and give you much better ratio then 1:500.

Yeah, I agree here- I don't think it's unreasonable for OP to be upset with that absurd ratio. If they were upset about this after a week or so of that drop rate that's one thing, but if OP's drop rate over years is 1 in 500.... yeah. Short-term RNG is one thing but the whole point is that over a period of time you'll hit a certain average (Central Limit Theorem). If you're not hitting that value after years, there's something wrong wither either the RNG or the underlying average.

That said... calling it discrimination is ridiculous.

AlnilamE

pdblake wrote: »

1:500 is around what I've been getting. Jewellery even worse. Pretty much in par with what OP is getting.

I wish they'd do something about motifs and recipes too, especially the recipes returned by daily writs. I often get recipes given to me for things I've made the day before. Was it not to standard or something and they think I need to read is again, and again, and again? My bank is full of duplicate motifs, recipes and furniture plans, and I only keep anything above green.

Writs reward you with recipes of the same level range as the writ you completed, so chances are good that you'll get the recipe you just handed in on a weekly basis.

OP: If you feel that you don't get enough mats from refining, have you considered selling the unrefined mats to buy gold tempers and letting other people gamble with the RNG?

Huyen

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

I have had an issue with the RNG in this game, since the beginning. Yet, as many reports as I've filed, not a single effort has been made, to look into it. Ever. Most times, all I receive, is a CGR, which, many times, has nothing to do with the report that I filed.

This leads to having to post in the forums, where people attack/ridicule/demean the post, or act like I'M the problem. I really don't comprehend this at all. The only thing it can be, is discrimination. Maybe because I linked other platforms, and they don't agree with my POV.

All I know, is this, my avg. refining gold drops, are around 1:600 and worse. Sure, I've had a few times, over the last few years, where I actually hit the 1:150-200 range. Maybe 3 times. In 3 years. Then again, one time, after refining a little over 4k Raw Ancestor Silk, I got 1 gold. ONE. Now, I fail to see why I should have to accept this garbage, or not post about it in the forum, hoping , that one day, Zos may actually DO SOMETHING.

The closest I've EVER gotten to an answer from them, was this: "Oh, don't worry, it will average out over time". I got that answer about 2 years ago. NOTHING'S changed. They have nothing that they put out, that lists what the RNG range is supposed to be, we have to get that from other players. I farm A LOT. I'm sick of it now. Tonight, I refined over 3300 clothcraft mats, I got 10 gold. For the mathmatically illiterate, that's 1:330. The time before, around 4k, I got 8. That's 1:500. Needing 8 gold, for each piece of equipment, maybe people can see, why I don't have any gold equipment.

And I've been crafting since I began. I only have enough to maybe do 1-2 full sets. I have 9 toons. And I need the others, for Master Writs. I've spoken to many people about this. Everyone can go through a short "dry spell", I get it. Mines never ended. At this rate, it will take 10+ YEARS, to get what I need for other toons. Longer.

So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue? I mean, damn, they don't even respond to reports anymore. Jewelry rates are worse. It all comes down to me having to BUY mats, and I just don't have that much gold for all of it.

The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else. period. I didn't know I could screenshot, if I'm fast enough, the crafting page. But I DID, eventually, figure it out. I HAVE Pictures now. I've offered these. No one responds.

I'm just at a loss, I guess. No clue what else I can do, other than maybe calling the consumer affairs offices, who are dealing with the "Loot Box" issues. Maybe they can find an answer. I'll post the link, on how that's turning out, below.

I remember the days, when, if we had an issue of this nature, they would bend over backwards, to make it right. And, most times, they did. For a 20 buck video game.

I guess it's just all about the money now. Sad.

True RNG doesnt exist. Its programmed. Unless you know a way to make the program generate its own coding, dont expect them to fix it. Theu want you to grind as long as possible.

NordSwordnBoard

AlnilamE wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

1:500 is around what I've been getting. Jewellery even worse. Pretty much in par with what OP is getting.

I wish they'd do something about motifs and recipes too, especially the recipes returned by daily writs. I often get recipes given to me for things I've made the day before. Was it not to standard or something and they think I need to read is again, and again, and again? My bank is full of duplicate motifs, recipes and furniture plans, and I only keep anything above green.

Writs reward you with recipes of the same level range as the writ you completed, so chances are good that you'll get the recipe you just handed in on a weekly basis.

OP: If you feel that you don't get enough mats from refining, have you considered selling the unrefined mats to buy gold tempers and letting other people gamble with the RNG?

I feel like this is the best solution. No more customer service back & forth. You move on from the whole debacle and exchange the more lucrative (but random) for consistency. If you present a problem with numbers/facts and they ignore you, you have to consider re-directing your efforts. You may lose few gold mats, but you also leave behind the frustration with them.

KerinKor

Huyen wrote: »

True RNG doesnt exist. Its programmed. Unless you know a way to make the program generate its own coding, dont expect them to fix it. Theu want you to grind as long as possible.

If you really knew about RNGs you'd know it's mathematically provable a PRNG is for all intents and purposes is as perfect an RNG as makes no odds .. such PRNGs have existed for decades.

Androconium

bmnoble wrote: »

Everyone has to deal with the RNG.

Your choosing to gamble if you refine your mats, do what others do who don't like the RNG, sell the raw mats, for a fixed profit let others gamble.

If you want a laugh:

https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Random+Number+Generator

Thankyouthankyouthankyou.

Wally changed my perception of employment. In real life, he decided to stop working at his job to see how long it would take to get fired. Turns out it was seven years.

In true Wally style, I'm too lazy to give you the cartoon, but search for it yourselves:

Dogbert, on the phone: "Dogbert's tech support...oh, I see the problem, now listen closely..."
User, standing on a chair in the middle of the room: ....
Dogbert's voice, coming from user's telephone: "Now yell out: Does anyone know how to read a manual?".

Raisin

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

This is not normal ratio, normal is 1 temper per 200-250. If player have stable 1 per 500 over 4 years... then something is wrong. But this must be documented before ZOS will start doing anything.

Optionally, you can sell raw mats they are expensive and give you much better ratio then 1:500.

Yeah, I agree here- I don't think it's unreasonable for OP to be upset with that absurd ratio. If they were upset about this after a week or so of that drop rate that's one thing, but if OP's drop rate over years is 1 in 500.... yeah. Short-term RNG is one thing but the whole point is that over a period of time you'll hit a certain average (Central Limit Theorem). If you're not hitting that value after years, there's something wrong wither either the RNG or the underlying average.

That said... calling it discrimination is ridiculous.

It seems as if more people agree that it's a normal ratio, do perhaps you are on thepre lucky side?

ShadowWolf44

Isojukka wrote: »

pdblake wrote: »

1:500 is around what I've been getting. Jewellery even worse. Pretty much in par with what OP is getting.

I wish they'd do something about motifs and recipes too, especially the recipes returned by daily writs. I often get recipes given to me for things I've made the day before. Was it not to standard or something and they think I need to read is again, and again, and again? My bank is full of duplicate motifs, recipes and furniture plans, and I only keep anything above green.

Sell those dublicates if you have already learned them.

Yes, same thing here. I've taken to giving my duplicates to my other toons. The rest I usually just npc. I believe what Zos attempts to do, by giving us the same thing, over and over again, is force us to trade with others, join a guild, whatever. I just joined my guild about 6-7 months ago. Until then, I played solo, because I'm dealing with medical issues, that sometimes force me out of the game, at unexpected times. Don't like to leave people hanging. In addition, we were told that we could play this game, any way we wanted to, and that was to include, solo. Apparently, they didn't men that. Not fully, at least.

ShadowWolf44

Raisin wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

This is not normal ratio, normal is 1 temper per 200-250. If player have stable 1 per 500 over 4 years... then something is wrong. But this must be documented before ZOS will start doing anything.

Optionally, you can sell raw mats they are expensive and give you much better ratio then 1:500.

Yeah, I agree here- I don't think it's unreasonable for OP to be upset with that absurd ratio. If they were upset about this after a week or so of that drop rate that's one thing, but if OP's drop rate over years is 1 in 500.... yeah. Short-term RNG is one thing but the whole point is that over a period of time you'll hit a certain average (Central Limit Theorem). If you're not hitting that value after years, there's something wrong wither either the RNG or the underlying average.

That said... calling it discrimination is ridiculous.

It seems as if more people agree that it's a normal ratio, do perhaps you are on thepre lucky side?

I should apologize. Not about the discrimination aspect, because there is much, much more to that aspect, than I was willing to go into, as my post was overly long already. That being said, I should have left that for another time.

If everyone in the game was getting between 1:300, 1:500, I wouldn't have made a post. Maybe, the people posting that this is the same ratio they are getting, just proves that there IS an issue. With the facts being, after researching it online, that the majority of people are getting 1 gold drop, on average, 1:150-1:200, then maybe the RNG isn't calibrated correctly.

I mean, sure, I could just attribute it to "bad luck", except it effects my progress in the game. Was this the intention of RNG? No. RNG, is supposed to make it fair for everyone. If this is not happening, the very least Zos could do, is look into it. Which they've never once done. They've never even asked me for some of the hundreds of screenshots I know have, backing me up.

I don't think this is asking too much.

ShadowWolf44

Androconium wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Everyone has to deal with the RNG.

Your choosing to gamble if you refine your mats, do what others do who don't like the RNG, sell the raw mats, for a fixed profit let others gamble.

If you want a laugh:

https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Random+Number+Generator

Thankyouthankyouthankyou.

Wally changed my perception of employment. In real life, he decided to stop working at his job to see how long it would take to get fired. Turns out it was seven years.

In true Wally style, I'm too lazy to give you the cartoon, but search for it yourselves:

Dogbert, on the phone: "Dogbert's tech support...oh, I see the problem, now listen closely..."
User, standing on a chair in the middle of the room: ....
Dogbert's voice, coming from user's telephone: "Now yell out: Does anyone know how to read a manual?".

I just thought of this yesterday, after posting. I played solo, for most of my time in the game, just joining a guild, a little over 6 months ago. Maybe this would be the better option. Thanks for your response.

ShadowWolf44

Skwor wrote: »

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

I have had an issue with the RNG in this game, since the beginning. Yet, as many reports as I've filed, not a single effort has been made, to look into it. Ever. Most times, all I receive, is a CGR, which, many times, has nothing to do with the report that I filed.

This leads to having to post in the forums, where people attack/ridicule/demean the post, or act like I'M the problem. I really don't comprehend this at all. The only thing it can be, is discrimination. Maybe because I linked other platforms, and they don't agree with my POV.

All I know, is this, my avg. refining gold drops, are around 1:600 and worse. Sure, I've had a few times, over the last few years, where I actually hit the 1:150-200 range. Maybe 3 times. In 3 years. Then again, one time, after refining a little over 4k Raw Ancestor Silk, I got 1 gold. ONE. Now, I fail to see why I should have to accept this garbage, or not post about it in the forum, hoping , that one day, Zos may actually DO SOMETHING.

The closest I've EVER gotten to an answer from them, was this: "Oh, don't worry, it will average out over time". I got that answer about 2 years ago. NOTHING'S changed. They have nothing that they put out, that lists what the RNG range is supposed to be, we have to get that from other players. I farm A LOT. I'm sick of it now. Tonight, I refined over 3300 clothcraft mats, I got 10 gold. For the mathmatically illiterate, that's 1:330. The time before, around 4k, I got 8. That's 1:500. Needing 8 gold, for each piece of equipment, maybe people can see, why I don't have any gold equipment.

And I've been crafting since I began. I only have enough to maybe do 1-2 full sets. I have 9 toons. And I need the others, for Master Writs. I've spoken to many people about this. Everyone can go through a short "dry spell", I get it. Mines never ended. At this rate, it will take 10+ YEARS, to get what I need for other toons. Longer.

So, why does Zos just continue to ignore this issue? I mean, damn, they don't even respond to reports anymore. Jewelry rates are worse. It all comes down to me having to BUY mats, and I just don't have that much gold for all of it.

The ONLY thing I've ever asked for, is to be treated like everyone else. period. I didn't know I could screenshot, if I'm fast enough, the crafting page. But I DID, eventually, figure it out. I HAVE Pictures now. I've offered these. No one responds.

I'm just at a loss, I guess. No clue what else I can do, other than maybe calling the consumer affairs offices, who are dealing with the "Loot Box" issues. Maybe they can find an answer. I'll post the link, on how that's turning out, below.

I remember the days, when, if we had an issue of this nature, they would bend over backwards, to make it right. And, most times, they did. For a 20 buck video game.

I guess it's just all about the money now. Sad.

Refine batches larger than 10k, make the linear average work for you, not against. Small batches will be much more spotty in returns.

At 10k my returns are 55 to 70 a batch of gold mats. That is for all types of raws. I do 40k about every 2-3 weeks.

Hmm, never done 10k. I usually begin refining around 4k, this time, however, I was around 7k. People sure have tried every trick in the book, it seems.

One time, when I posted on something similar, I was told to not refine "too quickly", because there is a program that will shut you down, thinking your a bot, doing the refining..so they have a defense against that. Not sure that's the case, but, since there really isn't any information, nor full explanations, on RNG, anything's possible.

The Dilbert post, may be the reality. And, makes more sense, than Zos ever has.