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Loot box odds Update
Wolfpaw
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This is great news, how soon can we expect ZOS's update?
"I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.
I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."
https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo
Edited by Wolfpaw on August 7, 2019 8:50PM "I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.
I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."
https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo
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✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »
The wording seems loose, but ESO does have updates that include loot box features.9 -
lygerseye✭✭✭✭✭This article says Bethesda has agreed... But the PC platform is not included in any of this.
“Those who have signed up include Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco, Bethesda, Bungie, EA, Take-Two Interactive, Ubisoft, Wizards of the Coast and Warner Bros.”
https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/07/sony-microsoft-nintendo-loot-box-odds/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLzhWdVhnT2VJc3Q&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEYt4dLOBgnqHwX7XIpfB1ZwEmJJJ1Kvu_XbvRqti4GhTE1DMBKrzDNbJ0VZxjhZyZRiz2rGddHlXf2d_8us7ym1cb-XizMJtlPTg-BqFqH2p0EKo-ziFqkO8Ic6YbRQYi_ZhFrCErFP24OmDQiYHVeR70BDzuZK7J_b2OhRIF7Q2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I expect it to be revealed that the Apex Mounts will have a 0.02% chance or something like that and everyone will lose it.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭This is great news, how soon can we expect ZOS's update?
"I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.
I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."
https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo
It would be great to see the odds. Bet Zos would adjust them before actually showing them, lol.
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✭✭✭Why care? What is the practical difference between .0001% and .001%? Only a naive person would not understand the apex rewards are VERY rare.Edited by Skwor on August 8, 2019 12:46AM5 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Can somebody create a poll of what players think the chances % are of getting the best / worst items in the game ?
I'm guessing 0.01% for rare mounts. And 0.00% for anything beyond rare mounts 😂0 -
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✭Why care? What is the practical difference between .0001% and .001%? Only a naive person would not understand the apex rewards are VERY rare.
Only a naive person would assume that the numbers of Naive People are relatively low.
Only a naive person would assume that businesses don't specifically target Naive People and/or behaviour.
VERY rare. What, in your educated opinion, does "VERY rare" equate to statistically?
The WHOLE ***-ING POINT is that different people (naive or otherwise) will come up with a differing answers. How can anyone make a rational, informed choice, when the odds are not publicly defined?
FURTHERMORE, ZOS continually revise the odds in everything in this game; it's part of the fundamental game structure.
We all know it as RNG.
You can keep niavely flogging the Nanny State dead horse all you like. It's still dead.3 -
DKMaestro✭✭✭I would love it, if I could sort my mounts according to rarity.
Think I have two APEX, but I usually match my mount to whatever I am wearing, because FASHIONOld man playing. Have a life, a job and only one character, which is grumpy (all the time)3 -
YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭The crowncrates.com site publishes drop rates from crown crates.
Granted, its not the same as ZOS publishing them... I'm just saying the information is available for those who want to know.3 -
WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.
These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.0 -
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Odds in casinos are very well known for most games.Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.
These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.
It also tend to be regulated so tricks like having a slot machine letting you win a bit at the start to keep you going and then reducing odds would be highly illegal in Vegas.
Odds for crown crates are also pretty well known
https://www.crowncrates.com/baandaripedlar
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
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✭So. Microsoft and Sony support gambling still. How sad.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
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5 pcs: When you open a loot box, you increase a chance to get radiant apex reward in the next loot box by 0.0001%, stacking up to 100 %. This effect resets every 24h.Girl_Number8 wrote: »This is great news, how soon can we expect ZOS's update?
"I’m pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.
I think sometimes that’s the economy we’re dealing with is that appreciate sir being put on an industry to take on a role that may not be something they need to take on. disclosure is wonderful i think we all need to understand what it is that we’re buying. but it’s a matter of how do you that. it’s a matter of how clear it is and whether or not we’re being clear to the industry as a whole across the board. or if we’re trying to create clarity for one particular outline individual. i think we can’t do the latter. all we can do is basically put out disclosure that in as clear a sense as possible makes people understand what they’re getting. what they’re purchasing if they decide to do it because they love that game. that’s their right to do it. i don’t think that we as an industry needs to step into that parental role, though. because some of these people are not children. some of these people are our age. they’re spending a thousand dollars on a game that they love and they spend, this is their way of relaxing after a hard day’s work."
https://mp1st.com/news/publishers-will-soon-have-to-disclose-odds-for-loot-boxes-due-to-agreement-between-sony-microsoft-and-nintendo
It would be great to see the odds. Bet Zos would adjust them before actually showing them, lol.
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✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.
These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.
Indeed. Like they would post actual numbers that would be hurting their cashflow... its a shareholder company after all...Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh1 -
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Ironic considering some casinos now are allowing people to ban themselves than showing their oddsShokasegambit1 wrote: »Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.
These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.
Indeed. Like they would post actual numbers that would be hurting their cashflow... its a shareholder company after all...
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✭✭Shokasegambit1 wrote: »Imagine if casino's put there odds on machines and table games. You'd see a decline of people wanting to gamble. With this in place I'm sure numbers will be manipulated and definitions won't be defined. loopholes will fill the market, and the industry will have no punishment. Due to so called lack of improper coding or highly neglected mismanagement. Thus firing somebody changing the code and profiting from the mishap.
These gaming companys are like banks now, I know cuase I used to work for one.
In Vegas, they blast the odds all over the place on signs outside. Great payout! 98.2221% It's like an ad for how little you're destined to lose. Look, less than 2.0006325% at the Excalibur. No, let's go to the creepy run-down place on the edge of the strip! It's only 1.9996 there!
It's hilarious, really
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Taloros✭✭✭✭Would be good if ZOS decides to publish the chances.
Considering players found a way to figure out the results already (using AddOns and community effort), it should be a hard decision for them.0 -
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You obviously missed the practical part (RIF). There is a large difference between 1 bean and 10 beans but neither makes a meal so both amounts are not practical.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, do you think the odds are the issue here? Not the shady tactics that use known psychological reward mechanisms to trigger more sales, not just of loot crates but of every item in the Clown Store?
This reeks of a diversion. I read somewhere that some big studios have promised to do something about this by the end of 2020 (how could this possibly take over a year to implement?). So the industry buys themselves a full year to keep stuffing games with every kind of convenience item for inconveniences they create and control, every kind of reskinned cosmetic item they can churn out in a few hours and sell at zero cost for each additional unit, every kind of time-limited promo, even though time-limited promos used to be a way to flush out old stock and you can't even speak of a stock in digital wares...
You keep justifying those microtransactions, keep telling yourselves that it's just this once, keep telling yourselves that you don't mind paying for it if you want something, then complain that games are buggier, grindier and all around crappier.3 -
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✭Honestly, do you think the odds are the issue here? Not the shady tactics that use known psychological reward mechanisms to trigger more sales, not just of loot crates but of every item in the Clown Store?
This reeks of a diversion. I read somewhere that some big studios have promised to do something about this by the end of 2020 (how could this possibly take over a year to implement?). So the industry buys themselves a full year to keep stuffing games with every kind of convenience item for inconveniences they create and control, every kind of reskinned cosmetic item they can churn out in a few hours and sell at zero cost for each additional unit, every kind of time-limited promo, even though time-limited promos used to be a way to flush out old stock and you can't even speak of a stock in digital wares...
You keep justifying those microtransactions, keep telling yourselves that it's just this once, keep telling yourselves that you don't mind paying for it if you want something, then complain that games are buggier, grindier and all around crappier.
This!
The ESA is in full 'diversion' mode and politicians are so clueless (as they are on most things) they're already accepting it as a 'solution', so expect EA, Activsion, ZOS, etc. to carry on their scummy practices with in-game gambling with no concern for the effects on the vulnerable .. gotta keep those whaling fleets at sea!Edited by KerinKor on August 8, 2019 3:28PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So...
How many of you are planning to file a comment with the FTC?
Probably not...
"Major publishers appear to suddenly have become champions of odds disclosures"
Bethesda/ZOS is apparently not too keen about this. I don't see them being proactive and rushing out there to publish this stuff.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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