To everyone concerned about self healing, we still have crit surge available, which is even getting a buff next patch. To those concerned about losing major sorcery if they do that, it’ll be fine. It’s a helpful buff but certainly not necessary to be able to complete content, and at least available through other means whereas directly nerfed damage (like in the case of lightning flood and winged twilight morphs) is not.

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

I'm just stating that you guys are comparing Power Surge as it will be in the future to what Structured Entropy is now, instead of what it will be in the future. Most all DPS are going to be using Structured Entropy come next patch, as all of the AOE DOTs are taking a nerf while single target DOTs (i.e. Structured Entropy) are taking a buff. How it will replace Power Surge? I don't know, I haven't ran it in ages except when I do overland content or potentially PUG'ing. But lets be honest, nobody in Vet Trials are actually using Power Surge....you get the buffs from Pots, and wasting that skill slot plus GCD on a skill for only heals is pointless when you have endgame healers in your group. So a lot of MagSorcs will be putting up the Matriach because it got nerfed, and putting Structured Entropy on one of the empty slots.

There is little to no point referencing end game vet trials, when only a small fraction of the player base engage in this content at all, never mind frequently. The game is not just for end game min/maxers. In fact quite the opposite and so I do get frustrated with folk on these forums making posts which seem to ignore the vast majority of ESO players.

You do not get 2500+ health from crit damage which can proc every second, elsewhere. That is the power of Power Surge, pun intended (particularly in combination with Boundless Storm) this is a mainstay for a great many sorc players.

So, to return to my original point, without further information on how much health Structured Entropy will provide, as it stands it is in no way or form equivalent to or a replacement for Power Surge... which is what umpteen people in this thread seem to be suggesting, unless I am mistaken.

Lets just stop there then. If you're not doing endgame content, then none of these changes will really effect you in the slightest bit. Slot what you want and you'll be fine.

Please don't be patronising. And it's 'affect', not 'effect'.

Boy oh boy do I hope this was intentionally ironic.

jypcy wrote: »

To everyone concerned about self healing, we still have crit surge available, which is even getting a buff next patch. To those concerned about losing major sorcery if they do that, it’ll be fine. It’s a helpful buff but certainly not necessary to be able to complete content, and at least available through other means whereas directly nerfed damage (like in the case of lightning flood and winged twilight morphs) is not.

I'm a little thick perhaps, but do you know where I can handily review the tooltip for Crit Surge on PTS? Losing Major Sorcery may have me slotting another skill, and that's very annoying (again, I'll have to juggle how exactly to fit in my execute), but it's at least less of a panicksome situation than losing healing altogether.

AltmerGF wrote: »

One day ZOS is gonna straight up delete Sorc from the game and people will still whine about how it needs to be nerfed. Hardened Ward could absorb one damage and drain 5 dollars from your bank account on use and there would still be people trying to explain why this is an acceptable change

Yeah we’d need to nerf the memory of it as well.

Am I glad that I got my one and only Flawless title on my magsorc? Yep. I'm also extremely glad I've unsubbed.

stpolaris wrote: »

I thought crit surge was a stamina morph

I thought so, too, but the tooltip posted above cites a magicka cost. Is that new, or is this a Mandala Effect kind of thing?

Kinda sucks. Was a real good bomb assist skill. Hit the crowd with prox/destro/lightning form and spam shield. Hope regen works better

So what I'm getting out of all this is that top end vet trials runners at the ceiling of the game will be unharmed. But those who live in the middle and lower ranges of the game like in normal pug dungeon land and such will be the ones hurt, along with those who choose not to play meta and spend their days whooping on target dummies. Clearly this widens the gap between top end and casual players. I thought that was one thing the game was trying to address.

How about this to put the shoe on the other foot. Casuals don't suck down expensive spell power potions every 50 seconds or so but top end players do. Removing major sorcery from potions might actually bring down the ceiling without lowering the floor. Maybe this is a bad example or maybe not, but is that not at least thinking along the right track of addressing the ceiling/floor challenge? Start by looking at things that top end players do that casuals do not and look for ideas there.

Surge

• Power Surge (morph): This morph now grants its healing to up to 6 targets, but will trigger off Critical Heals rather than Critical Damage. The cooldown is 3 seconds rather than 1, to ensure it offers similar healing to other AoE heal over times.

This was the only mistake. Power Surge needs to trigger off through Critical Heals and Critical Damage!

I know about Structured Entropy, but Surge shouldn't be limited to Stamina and Healer Sorcs.

Healing up to 6 targets and 3 secs cooldown is fine.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

So what I'm getting out of all this is that top end vet trials runners at the ceiling of the game will be unharmed. But those who live in the middle and lower ranges of the game like in normal pug dungeon land and such will be the ones hurt, along with those who choose not to play meta and spend their days whooping on target dummies. Clearly this widens the gap between top end and casual players. I thought that was one thing the game was trying to address.

How about this to put the shoe on the other foot. Casuals don't suck down expensive spell power potions every 50 seconds or so but top end players do. Removing major sorcery from potions might actually bring down the ceiling without lowering the floor. Maybe this is a bad example or maybe not, but is that not at least thinking along the right track of addressing the ceiling/floor challenge? Start by looking at things that top end players do that casuals do not and look for ideas there.

When speaking of top end trial runners, we mean score runners, they usually don't slot surge and replace it with power pots and additional dmg skill to get more deeps for the scores. Otherwise, any sorc who is using surge in any type of content is hurt. I do vet trials and do dungeons achievments and I use surge; that is still end game, but not top tier end game per say.

Only way to recover is to use crit surge, even though it gives brutality and not sorcery, and use anthropy for nice dot and major sorcery source. Power surge while it is nice heal for group, you need to critically heal, rather than critically deal dmg, And that is big issue as no skill sorc use heals in a consistant way other than sloting matriach and still have to crit for it to proc power surge. It is died to me, unless if maybe I decide to work as healer, it might be not too bad of an option.

joaaocaampos wrote: »

Surge

• Power Surge (morph): This morph now grants its healing to up to 6 targets, but will trigger off Critical Heals rather than Critical Damage. The cooldown is 3 seconds rather than 1, to ensure it offers similar healing to other AoE heal over times.

This was the only mistake. Power Surge needs to trigger off through Critical Heals and Critical Damage!

I know about Structured Entropy, but Surge shouldn't be limited to Stamina and Healer Sorcs.

Healing up to 6 targets and 3 secs cooldown is fine.

i think it procs only by critical healing because of pvp (again...). Imagine a group of 4 magsorc or stamsorcs that can heal friends every critical damage. They would be immortal