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So Eclipse got nerfed because you can't code it correctly?
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Did I read that right in the patch notes? Why even go through with the change then? Single target, lower damage done to attacker, no heal return to me as a trade for a snare/root that won't apply to any Stam character and a stun I can't count on being able to time with a burst....no thanks.
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HankTwo✭✭✭✭✭Reminds me of dizzying swing and flame clench PTS 5.1.0 vs 5.1.2. Stuff like that is just embarrassing...PC EU
Stam DK, Magden, Magplar, Stamcro, Hybrid Sorc, Magblade & Mag DK3 -
Synozeer✭✭✭✭✭Don't forget Clouding Swarm - they couldn't fix the invisibility issues so they gave it an entirely different power.Watch my PvP Videos on YouTube
Azoi - Nightblade - Daggerfall Covenant - NA Server - 1st DC NA Grand Overlord
Hzarn - Templar - Daggerfall Covenant - NA Server - Grand Overlord
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ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭Every class has that one skill that’s so buggy nobody uses it. I’m pretty sure Templar’s whole kit is made up of those skills though
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No_Division✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »Every class has that one skill that’s so buggy nobody uses it. I’m pretty sure Templar’s whole kit is made up of those skills though
best is while they are considered so strong, I only see the same 5 people playing magplar solo despite the fact I run into more sorcs/NBs/Wardens lol.
That number is going to spike next patch with the dot changes, and then drop back down once they realize the offense kit is basically lackluster and not worth the purge/heal potential lol.5 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't really truly solo anymore; for RL reasons my 1vX days aren't ever coming back. But I do look forward to trying Living Dark in random 1v1 match-ups.
That is, as soon as I figure out a new build since they managed to nerf all my things in one patch.
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No_Division✭✭✭I don't really truly solo anymore; for RL reasons my 1vX days aren't ever coming back. But I do look forward to trying Living Dark in random 1v1 match-ups.
That is, as soon as I figure out a new build since they managed to nerf all my things in one patch.
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✭✭✭✭No_Division wrote: »I don't really truly solo anymore; for RL reasons my 1vX days aren't ever coming back. But I do look forward to trying Living Dark in random 1v1 match-ups.
That is, as soon as I figure out a new build since they managed to nerf all my things in one patch.
Rangeplar; you know you want to join the dark side lol
I was a rangeplar ~2 years ago. It was fun but mobility still bites and what ult do you use? You gotta admit Crescent is SO satisfying. But I can't weave anymore, so I'd make a poor rangeplar. I might try it anyway, because that's the only build ideas I keep having.
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Nirnroot420✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »Lol guess all the Templars have just given up and moved on
Well, yeah. Living Dark seemed like it might be a fairly cool new toy to play with for Cyrodiil solo play, but now it's even less useful than the old iteration to total dark, lmao. And for the reason you said, they can't code it correctly.
To add insult to injury, they're reverting Sweeps back to its old trash targeting, because they can't code correctly. ZoS has transcended itself and can now nerf templar without changing a single tooltip, because they honestly just can't make the class work mechanically.
But Soul Trap and Entropy should be fun, right?6 -
No_Division✭✭✭No_Division wrote: »I don't really truly solo anymore; for RL reasons my 1vX days aren't ever coming back. But I do look forward to trying Living Dark in random 1v1 match-ups.
That is, as soon as I figure out a new build since they managed to nerf all my things in one patch.
Rangeplar; you know you want to join the dark side lol
I was a rangeplar ~2 years ago. It was fun but mobility still bites and what ult do you use? You gotta admit Crescent is SO satisfying. But I can't weave anymore, so I'd make a poor rangeplar. I might try it anyway, because that's the only build ideas I keep having.
ice comet now that vampire pop dropped a bit. I have been having fun with it on live even without running force pulse (I dont think you need it, and I think force pulse is overperforming).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I haven't been paying attention, did Zos ever fix the timing for sweeps/flare or are the animations still longer than their tooltip casttimes?
Just as eclipse was getting back to usefulness, zos goes and reverts the stupid one person restriction again, which made is so lackluster in the first placeMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is not only Eclipse . A lot of other things got nerfed for that very reason. Instead of fixng / upgrading server, ZOS is nerfing skills to cause less stress & calculations. WW pets were also nerfed because of that.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on August 7, 2019 7:51PM1 -
Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭This is the best thread on PTS right now. I can't even describe how much satisfaction I am getting right now! Not even joking. Pointing out ZOS's incompetence on so many levels is more rewarding than having zero experience on a gankblade but still succeeding.1
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No_Division✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »I haven't been paying attention, did Zos ever fix the timing for sweeps/flare or are the animations still longer than their tooltip casttimes?
Just as eclipse was getting back to usefulness, zos goes and reverts the stupid one person restriction again, which made is so lackluster in the first place
no idea. But the camera lock is back! SO be ready for more bad aiming like it was before summerset/wrathstone lol.
the eclipse change was poorly worded. What they meant to say was "eclipse is targeting multiple people even though the cooldown is global. Eclipse now only casts on one person at a time".
It's a badly designed skill and only people going to use it are the new incoming templars that think the class is OP but will quickly change once they realize jabs wont hit anything and dont realize living dark's heal can be avoided by bugs found by cinbri lol.
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and the only morphs impacted by monday's patch is the base morph and unstable core. Living dark is still 0.5s cooldown and should work against anyone that hits you. But all the morphs have issues.
Unstable Core Bugs/weirdness:
- CC immune targets DO NOT TAKE any dmg nor do they take any snare/imobilze/cc. Refer to video by Cinbri.
- Initial hit of DOTs avoid the proc. Channeled abilities avoid the procs as well
- now only impacts 1 person.
Living Dark bugs/weirdness:
- attack from stealth causes the heal to not proc.
- casting the ability causes you to heal yourself and thus causing 0.5s of where you will not get the heal.
- initial hits of DOTS go through the skill without causing a heal.
This ability is going to be used by maybe small man crews or idiots that don't understand how clunky templar is.Edited by No_Division on August 7, 2019 8:14PM1 -
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✭No_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »I haven't been paying attention, did Zos ever fix the timing for sweeps/flare or are the animations still longer than their tooltip casttimes?
Just as eclipse was getting back to usefulness, zos goes and reverts the stupid one person restriction again, which made is so lackluster in the first place
no idea. But the camera lock is back! SO be ready for more bad aiming like it was before summerset/wrathstone lol.
the eclipse change was poorly worded. What they meant to say was "eclipse is targeting multiple people even though the cooldown is global. Eclipse now only casts on one person at a time".
It's a badly designed skill and only people going to use it are the new incoming templars that think the class is OP but will quickly change once they realize jabs wont hit anything and dont realize living dark's heal can be avoided by bugs found by cinbri lol.
Cut and pasted directly from patch notes: Eclipse "can now only be active on one target at a time". That's not about how many targets are affected per cast, that's a single target cap.Edited by itscompton on August 7, 2019 8:14PM1 -
No_Division✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »No_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »I haven't been paying attention, did Zos ever fix the timing for sweeps/flare or are the animations still longer than their tooltip casttimes?
Just as eclipse was getting back to usefulness, zos goes and reverts the stupid one person restriction again, which made is so lackluster in the first place
no idea. But the camera lock is back! SO be ready for more bad aiming like it was before summerset/wrathstone lol.
the eclipse change was poorly worded. What they meant to say was "eclipse is targeting multiple people even though the cooldown is global. Eclipse now only casts on one person at a time".
It's a badly designed skill and only people going to use it are the new incoming templars that think the class is OP but will quickly change once they realize jabs wont hit anything and dont realize living dark's heal can be avoided by bugs found by cinbri lol.
Cut and pasted directly from patch notes: Eclipse "can now only be active on one target at a time". That's not about how many targets are affected per cast, that's a single target cap.
oh i see what you are talking about. At least on LIVE I can cast multiple UC on people is what Joy was talking about.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »I haven't been paying attention, did Zos ever fix the timing for sweeps/flare or are the animations still longer than their tooltip casttimes?
Just as eclipse was getting back to usefulness, zos goes and reverts the stupid one person restriction again, which made is so lackluster in the first place
Nope. Eclipse was useful, Barrage was useful... quick, take it away! And the camera reversion.
I think magplar will be okay next patch but it's going to be all about the class purge. Which clearly needed a cost increase for those overperforming stamplars.
@No_Division IDK about Ice Comet. It's one of those things I literally haven't died to since about 1.6 unless I was getting zerged and was going to die anyway. Without an unblockable, undodgeable CC it's too easily countered. Mag sorcs could have a field day with it (again) now, but they are all too busy farming Elegance.0 -
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✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »It's the same thing with swarm and mutagen. They tried tweaking it, and it didn't work right, so they just changed it back or altered the ability altogether.
I'd be more than happy if they just changed it back, the way it is on live is 1000X better than what it's going to become. But they're so invested in the clever new mechanic they thought up for it they're going to push it out that way even if it makes it into a dead skill no one will slot.3 -
No_Division✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »I haven't been paying attention, did Zos ever fix the timing for sweeps/flare or are the animations still longer than their tooltip casttimes?
Just as eclipse was getting back to usefulness, zos goes and reverts the stupid one person restriction again, which made is so lackluster in the first place
Nope. Eclipse was useful, Barrage was useful... quick, take it away! And the camera reversion.
I think magplar will be okay next patch but it's going to be all about the class purge. Which clearly needed a cost increase for those overperforming stamplars.
@No_Division IDK about Ice Comet. It's one of those things I literally haven't died to since about 1.6 unless I was getting zerged and was going to die anyway. Without an unblockable, undodgeable CC it's too easily countered. Mag sorcs could have a field day with it (again) now, but they are all too busy farming Elegance.
templar is going to get a meta shift for sure. I think there are options, but its pushing me to rangeplar and more flexible build.
Ice comet isnt bad but I do swap it all the time. There arent many good options lol.0 -
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✭Il drop sweeps if it feels terrible to use, will likely use master destro clench as my spammableEdited by Syiccal on August 7, 2019 8:39PM0