Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons?
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Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you haven't already looked into it, here is a video that gives some basic information about combat and Global Cooldowns (GCDs) and the point of light attack weaving. Plus how to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4LrP_AKuiU 1 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »
It seems like your intent is to increase your DPS as much as possible. In my opinion, the two most important factors are your rotation and light attack weaving.
Actually the most important factor is gear and skill build, which is probably like 80% importance. But apart from that then yes, then comes rotation, then light attack weaving.Edited by Jayman1000 on August 5, 2019 2:31PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »Donny_Vito wrote: »
It seems like your intent is to increase your DPS as much as possible. In my opinion, the two most important factors are your rotation and light attack weaving.
Actually the most important factor is gear and skill build, which is probably like 80% importance. But apart from that then yes, then comes rotation, then light attack weaving.
Neh man, it really depends on where u stand, they are all important. Build and skill doesnt matter if the person only spams la. On the other hand weaving doesn't matter if the person is running with lvl 1 gear. Gear, skill build, rotation, weaving, are all important. But i would rate rotation>weaving2 -
ATreeGnome✭✭✭✭Hello!
Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons? Does this decrease my damage?
Thank you!
Can they? Yes. Should they? No.
Running at least 5 pieces of medium or light armor is going to give you a lot of damage and sustain bonuses. If you feel that you need the extra defense of heavy armor it isn't a huge damage loss to run, at most, 2 pieces of heavy armor. Typically stamina damage dealers will run 7 medium and magicka damage deals will run 5 light, 1 medium, and 1 heavy.
That said, a good rotation is going to have a bigger impact on your DPS than anything else. Optimized gear helps but it's not going to be a very large DPS gain if you aren't maintaining good DOT and buff uptimes.
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fetito666✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »vesselwiththepestle wrote: »1. Replace your Mundus Stone "The Tower" with "Lover" or "Thief". It will help a lot.
2. Reset your Brawler Skill to the other morph "Carve". Level up "Inferno" and get the Flames of Oblivion morph.
3. Use these skills: Carve (Brawler other morph) - Venomous Claw - Wrecking Blow - Reverse Slice - Flames of Oblivion. Carve, Venomous Claw and Flames of Oblivion should be used first and ticking, then use Wrecking Blow until your dots run out and you refresh them. When an enemie is below 30%, use Reverse Slice.
4. Use Standard of Might as your ultimate.
Remove CP from Healthy and put them into Mooncalf. Remove CP from Spell Shield, Resistant and Heavy armor focus and distribute them on Hardy, Thick Skinned, Elemental Defender and Ironclad. Remember those are rounded down, 23.8 % will be the same as 23.0 %.
Do you have a reason to not use your second bar? Like rp reasons, disability etc.? You don't need to explain, but unless you have a good reason to not use your second bar, you should try to do it. You don't need it for overland content etc., but you should use it in group dungeons!
If you really want to stay heavy armor:
1. Craft Hunding's Rage as heavy armor, 5 pieces on the body, small pieces divine, big pieces divine or infused as you wish. With lots of points into health like you have use Stamina enchants on armor only.
2. Go to Bangkorai. Do Dolmen for for Spriggan's jewelry and go to Old Tower Wayshrine in the Southwest. Spriggan's 2H weapons are cheap to buy, there is a named weapon "Spriggan's Wolf-Jaw" which drops from the Garach Wolf-Father boss. If you want to try out DW for example on your second bar, near Old Tower wayshrine you can find a quest with a dagger as reward, if you haven't done it already.
If you want to try medium armor, do the same but craft Hunding's Rage in medium.
Go collect some sky shards.
Thank you! This works really well now. You're my savior!
It seems like your intent is to increase your DPS as much as possible. In my opinion, the two most important factors are your rotation and light attack weaving. By rotation, this means dropping your Damage over Time abilities (DOTs) on your back bar (recommend using a Bow) and then using your single target abilities on your front bar (2hand for you), while also making sure to ALWAYS light attack before doing any skill...light attack and then almost instantly cast the skill (this will cancel the light attack animation, resulting in your getting a Light attack hit plus the Ability). If you can get these two done, you can honestly wear crappy sets and still hit well, but combined with good sets/CP/weapons you can really hit hard. But the opposite goes as well, you can have really good sets/CP/weapons and still hit like crap because you aren't light attack canceling and your rotation is weak.
Thank you! What bow skills do you recommend for the 2nd skill bar for the bow?0 -
TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭@fetito666 if your not trolling, of which I’m not 100 percent certain, I suggest you got to Alcast site and check out out his begginer setup.1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You should always wear 5 pieces of heavy armor when you port into a vet dungeon and hit like a geriatric with a piece of wet spaghetti. Its what fake tanks do! Don't forget to run ahead of the group and blame the healer when you cause a wipe.2 -
fetito666✭✭✭TheUrbanWizard wrote: »@fetito666 if your not trolling, of which I’m not 100 percent certain, I suggest you got to Alcast site and check out out his begginer setup.
I am not trolling. I even posted screenshots and showed my modifications. Why should I troll when I need help? It's just that I am used from other MMOs that heavy armor is meant for DPS.
I will check out Alcast.
Thank you!Edited by fetito666 on August 5, 2019 10:54PM1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@fetito666 Its not you. Plenty of people on these threads write stuff like that and pretend its real.
Oversimplification for heavy armor: In PVE, its for tanks only (or for a monster helmet/shoulder piece on a mag character for the undaunted bonuses). In PVP, it can be run on almost every build.0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Plague Doctor is a tank set.
You will never do high DPS in a tank set!
Get another set.....
Even hundings in heavy would be better
But for max dps you need all medium on a stam buildEdited by Katahdin on August 5, 2019 11:21PMBeta tester November 20132 -
fetito666✭✭✭Plague Doctor is a tank set.
You will never do high DPS in a tank set!
Get another set.....
Even hundings in heavy would be better
But for max dps you need all medium on a stam build
Okay, I will exchange the Plague doctor. Could you recommend me one that I could buy in purple version from the guild vendors?
I'll later on focus on getting more gold and getting the sets recommended on Alcast.Edited by fetito666 on August 5, 2019 11:39PM0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Plague Doctor is a tank set.
You will never do high DPS in a tank set!
Get another set.....
Even hundings in heavy would be better
But for max dps you need all medium on a stam build
Okay, I will exchange the Plague doctor. Could you recommend me one that I could buy in purple version from the guild vendors?
I'll later on focus on getting more gold and getting the sets recommended on Alcast.
There is a VMA specific-build where Plague Doctor chest, staves, and jewelry is mixed with Necropotence for a tanky damage-dealer. But its not recommended for vet trials or dungeons.
For gear that you can buy from vendors I'd look to Briarheart. Then go farm some Leviathan out of COH. Or just skip ahead and run normal trials in Craglorn for Vicious Ophidian, normal HRC for Advancing Yokeda weapons & jewelry, and normal Cloudrest for Relequen body pieces. Those trials are pretty easy.Edited by El_Borracho on August 5, 2019 11:47PM0 -
Ramber✭✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »Donny_Vito wrote: »
It seems like your intent is to increase your DPS as much as possible. In my opinion, the two most important factors are your rotation and light attack weaving.
Actually the most important factor is gear and skill build, which is probably like 80% importance. But apart from that then yes, then comes rotation, then light attack weaving.
you have it backwards, its way more in the rotation. ive tested 5 mag set combos most including on mets build sets and they all do within 3k of the best in slot setups. its all in the abilities you use and how you use them including timing.. or as we put it rotation.0 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello!
Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons? Does this decrease my damage?
Thank you!
Yes you can, why you could not ? If with full heavy you can pull 30-35k, I don't see the problem, it's enough for all content.
Play the way you like if it work, simple.
For score pushing it's a different story, but from what you ask I don't think you're on this for now.
Do you lose DPS vs medium ? Yes, it's harder to build damage with heavy. But it's totally doable if you take time to test many build
It's up to you to chose what fit you the most.
edit : typoEdited by Aznarb on August 6, 2019 12:17AM[ PC EU ]
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fetito666✭✭✭Hello!
Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons? Does this decrease my damage?
Thank you!
Yes you can, why you could not ? If with full heavy you can pull 30-35k, I don't see the problem, it's enough for all content.
Play the way you like if it work, simple.
For score pushing it's a different story, but from what you ask I don't think you're on this for now.
Do you lose DPS vs medium ? Yes, it's harder to build damage with heavy. But it's totally doable if you take time to test many build
It's up to you to chose what fit you the most.
edit : typo
Could you post your build?0 -
chuckythexii✭✭PVE DPS should wear medium or light, in PVE it is a lot easier to play to a niche.
Its a lot different in PVP where you kinda need to be a jack of all trades.0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭On a different note -- have you considered tanking?
Well, somehow I managed to face-tank the last boss "Earthgore Amalgam" in "Bloodroot Forge" during his full AOE attacks, but I usually I rather DPS.
My issue came up when I noticed low DPS in veteran dungeons. However, I was able to do well in "Elden Hollow II" Veteran at the dragon "Bogdan the Nightflame" a few years ago during the "Thieves Guild"-DLC era. Maybe the statistics got changed.
I should consider learning how to tank maybe. I've never tanked before, not even in other MMOs.
Vet and dlc vet are almost 2 different worlds of difficulty and sadly heavy dps is not helpful in vet dlc0 -
TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭TheUrbanWizard wrote: »@fetito666 if your not trolling, of which I’m not 100 percent certain, I suggest you got to Alcast site and check out out his begginer setup.
I am not trolling. I even posted screenshots and showed my modifications. Why should I troll when I need help? It's just that I am used from other MMOs that heavy armor is meant for DPS.
I will check out Alcast.
Thank you!
Ok my bad. Honestly, what I would recommend is get hold of spriggans thorns necklace, 2 rings, a bow (preferably infused and put a weapon damage glyph on it) for your back bar, and whatever weapon you want for front bar in that set, be it great sword, daggers etc. This set can be bought from stores or picked up in Bangkorai. FYI there’s a quest in Bangkorai that drops a precise spriggans dagger.
Put weapon damage glyphs on all three pieces of jewellery.
Have someone craft you boots,belt, hands, legs of Hundings Rage (if you can’t yourself) in medium and maybe a heavy cuirass of that set for a bit more protection. Use whatever 2 piece monster set (head and shoulders) you have, preferably it does physical, poison or disease damage. All the glyphs except chest should be stamina, put a health glyph on the chest if you want.
Your front bar weapon glyph could be poison, disease, up to you. Like I said before use weapon damage glyph on your bow bar (backbar) and prick this with the endless hail skill in the bow skill line.
Yeh sorry for accusing you of trolling lol
Edit: use either blue stamina and health food (such as braised rabbit and spring vegetables) or dubious Cameron throne drink if you feel you need more stamina regeneration.
Edited by TheUrbanWizard on August 6, 2019 8:34PM0 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello!
Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons? Does this decrease my damage?
Thank you!
Yes you can, why you could not ? If with full heavy you can pull 30-35k, I don't see the problem, it's enough for all content.
Play the way you like if it work, simple.
For score pushing it's a different story, but from what you ask I don't think you're on this for now.
Do you lose DPS vs medium ? Yes, it's harder to build damage with heavy. But it's totally doable if you take time to test many build
It's up to you to chose what fit you the most.
edit : typo
Could you post your build?
Sadly I'm a healer only, the build was used by a PU I encounter in a random DLC dungeon and he was doing very great (~45k dps)
So, I know it's possible and it work, but I can't provide a build for it, sorry, you'll have to make youre one test.
But I assume Hunding heavy is a good start.
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