Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons?

fetito666 · August 2019

Hello!

Can DPS use only heavy armor in vet dungeons? Does this decrease my damage?

Thank you!

BigBragg · August 2019

Nope. DPS use mostly or all medium for stam builds, and light for magicka builds. Tanks wear heavy and sometimes healers, but they usually have on light.

Siohwenoeht · August 2019

ESO has the trinity, albeit dps is more prominent, but for pve, dps should be wearing light or medium armor.

fetito666 · August 2019

For 5 years I used heavy armor, what changes if I switch to medium armor?

Should I add some medium armor? So far all 7 pieces are heavy armor and a two handed sword.

BigBragg · August 2019

Increase your crit, weapon damage, and stam recovery. While lowering your stam cost, sprint, and roll dodge. All cumulative per piece equipped. Try running 5 medium, and either two heavy or one heavy and one light if you use any magicka buff skills.

fetito666 · August 2019

I'll level up some CP. I am on CP 292 right now. I'll post my gear later on after doing some solo PvE stuff. Could you help me later on? Is there a way to export my data?

It's just that a got kicked for the very first time in ESO in 5 years: When we started the vet dungeon as a pug I got confronted right away with what gear style I use and so on.

BigBragg · August 2019

There are some good guides that will take you through various stages of CP and gear availability on @Alcast website. He really does a very thorough job breaking the information down. Should be a good place to get you started.

https://alcasthq.com/

If you want to continue with heavy, you can and successfully, but you may want to look to making your own groups and doing unconventional runs.

fetito666 · August 2019

BigBragg wrote: »

There are some good guides that will take you through various stages of CP and gear availability on @Alcast website. He really does a very thorough job breaking the information down. Should be a good place to get you started.

https://alcasthq.com/

If you want to continue with heavy, you can and successfully, but you may want to look to making your own groups and doing unconventional runs.

Ok thanks! If I reach CP 810 my DPS is better?

redspecter23 · August 2019

It might be good to ask what your current dps is. As others have said, putting on medium or light will increase your damage compared to heavy. The cost is that you will be slightly squishier, but in group content, your tank should be soaking up the biggest hits most times and a healer will often top you off when you do get hit. DPS doesn't need the added protection at the cost of damage.

If you are currently at 20k+ dps on a 3 mil training dummy, you are probably adequate to get easier vet dungeons done. It would be a good idea to hop in front of a training dummy just to see where you're at, especially if you're looking at doing veteran content as a pug more in the future.

My suspicion is that 7 heavy will have you at around the 9k - 10k mark and lacking the sustain necessary to complete a 3 million training dummy without throwing in a lot of heavy attacks.

BigBragg · August 2019

It will, but eventually you get diminishing returns. Hitting 300 and then 600 are good mile markers for CP. Also remember that those are just guides to get you started. You can always customize and tweak things to adjust to your playstyle.

fetito666 · August 2019

Can I use a two handed sword with medium armor? I've seen some guides, but they use daggers.

Nevasca · August 2019

fetito666 wrote: »

Can I use a two handed sword with medium armor? I've seen some guides, but they use daggers.

Yes! You can use those guides a base, and replace the following skills when using Two Handed:
Instead of Rendering Slashes, use Carve.
Instead of Whirling Blades, use Reverse Slice.
Instead of Rapid Strikes, use Wrecking Blow or Psijic spammable.

I think that 2H is actually better than DW in most dungeons, since cleave gets more value there because a lot of fights there are adds, and you have a lot of adds before bosses too.

EDIT: Alcast has a specific build for stamsorc for 2H, Deathstroke.

Unij · August 2019

You can sure use heavy in pve vet it just depends on the sets you are using, but you would still need medium sets as jewelry and weapons.

The downside of medium or light is, you are extremely squishy and need to adapt first, you will also loose a lot of ressources for shields and to rolldodge, so the extra recovery gives you no real advantage over heavy.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · August 2019

it really depends on what heavy armour set, but it wont increase dps, but u can have same dps with heavy on some gear sets

vesselwiththepestle · August 2019

You should use different weapons on your bars. So if you are using 2H on one bar, use a bow on the other bar.

You can do 20k+ dps in heavy armor, too. As important as your gear is how you play your character. Do you have a rotation? Do you weave light attacks?

Try to reach 300 CP, you'll get a hidden bonus to your ressources which is very nice to have. Then more important than reaching 810 cp is to learn how to do dps efficiently. Knowing how to dps first and then getting to 810 cp is a much smoother and more fun experience than trying to get to 810 cp and then wonder how to dps when you realize that with 810 cp you don't magically do 100k dps :P.

You can't export your data, but you can use an addon like Superstar if you are playing on PC and take a screenshot.

MrBrownstone · August 2019

Light and Medium armor passives increase your dps, so yeah your dps will improve. Heavy armor is for tanks in PvE.

If you want to look like a badass heavy armor user and that was the reason, you can always edit your look in an outfit station. Believe me, some extra resistances is not worth losing damage for a dps. In a group, tank will be responsible for taking damage anyway.

FrancisCrawford · August 2019

fetito666 wrote: »

For 5 years I used heavy armor, what changes if I switch to medium armor?

Should I add some medium armor? So far all 7 pieces are heavy armor and a two handed sword.

Read the passive skills in each of the armor lines for your answers.

Royaji · August 2019

Yes. But please don't do it.

NBrookus · August 2019

On a different note -- have you considered tanking?

fetito666 · August 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

On a different note -- have you considered tanking?

Well, somehow I managed to face-tank the last boss "Earthgore Amalgam" in "Bloodroot Forge" during his full AOE attacks, but I usually I rather DPS.

My issue came up when I noticed low DPS in veteran dungeons. However, I was able to do well in "Elden Hollow II" Veteran at the dragon "Bogdan the Nightflame" a few years ago during the "Thieves Guild"-DLC era. Maybe the statistics got changed.

I should consider learning how to tank maybe. I've never tanked before, not even in other MMOs.

fetito666 · August 2019

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

You should use different weapons on your bars. So if you are using 2H on one bar, use a bow on the other bar.

You can do 20k+ dps in heavy armor, too. As important as your gear is how you play your character. Do you have a rotation? Do you weave light attacks?

Try to reach 300 CP, you'll get a hidden bonus to your ressources which is very nice to have. Then more important than reaching 810 cp is to learn how to do dps efficiently. Knowing how to dps first and then getting to 810 cp is a much smoother and more fun experience than trying to get to 810 cp and then wonder how to dps when you realize that with 810 cp you don't magically do 100k dps :P.

You can't export your data, but you can use an addon like Superstar if you are playing on PC and take a screenshot.

@vesselwiththepestle: Here is the screenshot:

Here is a link to ESO-Database:

https://eso-database.com/en/character/fetito/17438028/

Dagoth_Rac · August 2019

fetito666 wrote: »

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

You should use different weapons on your bars. So if you are using 2H on one bar, use a bow on the other bar.

You can do 20k+ dps in heavy armor, too. As important as your gear is how you play your character. Do you have a rotation? Do you weave light attacks?

Try to reach 300 CP, you'll get a hidden bonus to your ressources which is very nice to have. Then more important than reaching 810 cp is to learn how to do dps efficiently. Knowing how to dps first and then getting to 810 cp is a much smoother and more fun experience than trying to get to 810 cp and then wonder how to dps when you realize that with 810 cp you don't magically do 100k dps :P.

You can't export your data, but you can use an addon like Superstar if you are playing on PC and take a screenshot.

@vesselwiththepestle: Here is the screenshot:

Here is a link to ESO-Database:

https://eso-database.com/en/character/fetito/17438028/

Move all attribute points from health into stamina. Change all armor glyphs from health to stamina. Are you using food? If not, buy or craft either blue food that gives health and stamina or purple food that gives health, stamina, and stamina regen. You will still not be a DPS master, but you will be much, much, much better than you are now. There are certainly many other more advanced techniques to improve DPS and still wear heavy armor if that is what you want. But those are probably the simplest and easiest to understand changes that will have a big impact on your DPS.

ArchMikem · August 2019

You're wearing incomplete sets. Ditch the plague doctor, bonebound, and viper gear and replace it with another single set. Preferably you want to wear two 5 piece sets and a 2 piece dungeon monster set.

NBrookus · August 2019

fetito666 wrote: »

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

You should use different weapons on your bars. So if you are using 2H on one bar, use a bow on the other bar.

You can do 20k+ dps in heavy armor, too. As important as your gear is how you play your character. Do you have a rotation? Do you weave light attacks?

Try to reach 300 CP, you'll get a hidden bonus to your ressources which is very nice to have. Then more important than reaching 810 cp is to learn how to do dps efficiently. Knowing how to dps first and then getting to 810 cp is a much smoother and more fun experience than trying to get to 810 cp and then wonder how to dps when you realize that with 810 cp you don't magically do 100k dps :P.

You can't export your data, but you can use an addon like Superstar if you are playing on PC and take a screenshot.

@vesselwiththepestle: Here is the screenshot:

Here is a link to ESO-Database:

https://eso-database.com/en/character/fetito/17438028/

I can see why you struggle to do high damage. You are a hybrid with 7 heavy of mixed traits, some incomplete sets and only one skill bar with a mix of magicka and stamina skills. It's just going to be rough going. You don't need to min-max or do really high damage in most dungeons if you can perform the mechanics well, but you've been fighting with the proverbial one arm tied.

I asked about tanking because tanks are heavy armor with a dose of hybrid. It might suit you, if you think in terms of protecting your squishies and making the boss hate you. Tanks are also in high demand in pug dungeons queues. If your approach is more "me smash" and want to do harder dungeons and vet dungeons, a change to a more standard medium stamina setup will get you a lot farther. And absolutely you can use a two hander for your primary bar.

Orc is an solid choice for either DK tanks or stamina DKs. Whether you decide to tank or dps, or switch back and forth at whim (and most tanks have a dps setup for their non-dungeon playtime), you can get started with some basic medium crafted gear and probably experience a lot more success, perhaps 5 medium 2 heavy on large pieces to aid your survival while you adjust.

Outside of that, Dagoth's suggestions above will be a noticeable improvement.

fetito666 · August 2019

@vesselwiththepestle: Okay! I've changed the attributes and also the glyphs. Could you please take a look at the changes? Thank you!

PS: I was not able to find the "Plague Doctor's Talisman of Bthanual" to add a 4th set piece. Where do I find it? I've already checked the guild traders in Wayrest.

fetito666 · August 2019

Here is also a screenshot of my skillset:

So far I have the following ones equipped

Brawler IV
Volatile Armor IV
Empowering Chains IV
Wrecking Blow IV
Burning Talons IV
Take Flight IV (Ultimate Ability)

Could you please recommend me 6 skills that should improve my performance?

Thank you!

blkjag · August 2019

No please don’t

essi2 · August 2019

@fetito666 https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Bthanual_Centurion

vesselwiththepestle · August 2019

1. Replace your Mundus Stone "The Tower" with "Lover" or "Thief". It will help a lot.
2. Reset your Brawler Skill to the other morph "Carve". Level up "Inferno" and get the Flames of Oblivion morph.
3. Use these skills: Carve (Brawler other morph) - Venomous Claw - Wrecking Blow - Reverse Slice - Flames of Oblivion. Carve, Venomous Claw and Flames of Oblivion should be used first and ticking, then use Wrecking Blow until your dots run out and you refresh them. When an enemie is below 30%, use Reverse Slice.
4. Use Standard of Might as your ultimate.

Remove CP from Healthy and put them into Mooncalf. Remove CP from Spell Shield, Resistant and Heavy armor focus and distribute them on Hardy, Thick Skinned, Elemental Defender and Ironclad. Remember those are rounded down, 23.8 % will be the same as 23.0 %.

Do you have a reason to not use your second bar? Like rp reasons, disability etc.? You don't need to explain, but unless you have a good reason to not use your second bar, you should try to do it. You don't need it for overland content etc., but you should use it in group dungeons!

If you really want to stay heavy armor:
1. Craft Hunding's Rage as heavy armor, 5 pieces on the body, small pieces divine, big pieces divine or infused as you wish. With lots of points into health like you have use Stamina enchants on armor only.
2. Go to Bangkorai. Do Dolmen for for Spriggan's jewelry and go to Old Tower Wayshrine in the Southwest. Spriggan's 2H weapons are cheap to buy, there is a named weapon "Spriggan's Wolf-Jaw" which drops from the Garach Wolf-Father boss. If you want to try out DW for example on your second bar, near Old Tower wayshrine you can find a quest with a dagger as reward, if you haven't done it already.

If you want to try medium armor, do the same but craft Hunding's Rage in medium.

Go collect some sky shards.

fetito666 · August 2019

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

1. Replace your Mundus Stone "The Tower" with "Lover" or "Thief". It will help a lot.
2. Reset your Brawler Skill to the other morph "Carve". Level up "Inferno" and get the Flames of Oblivion morph.
3. Use these skills: Carve (Brawler other morph) - Venomous Claw - Wrecking Blow - Reverse Slice - Flames of Oblivion. Carve, Venomous Claw and Flames of Oblivion should be used first and ticking, then use Wrecking Blow until your dots run out and you refresh them. When an enemie is below 30%, use Reverse Slice.
4. Use Standard of Might as your ultimate.

Remove CP from Healthy and put them into Mooncalf. Remove CP from Spell Shield, Resistant and Heavy armor focus and distribute them on Hardy, Thick Skinned, Elemental Defender and Ironclad. Remember those are rounded down, 23.8 % will be the same as 23.0 %.

Do you have a reason to not use your second bar? Like rp reasons, disability etc.? You don't need to explain, but unless you have a good reason to not use your second bar, you should try to do it. You don't need it for overland content etc., but you should use it in group dungeons!

If you really want to stay heavy armor:
1. Craft Hunding's Rage as heavy armor, 5 pieces on the body, small pieces divine, big pieces divine or infused as you wish. With lots of points into health like you have use Stamina enchants on armor only.
2. Go to Bangkorai. Do Dolmen for for Spriggan's jewelry and go to Old Tower Wayshrine in the Southwest. Spriggan's 2H weapons are cheap to buy, there is a named weapon "Spriggan's Wolf-Jaw" which drops from the Garach Wolf-Father boss. If you want to try out DW for example on your second bar, near Old Tower wayshrine you can find a quest with a dagger as reward, if you haven't done it already.

If you want to try medium armor, do the same but craft Hunding's Rage in medium.

Go collect some sky shards.

Thank you! This works really well now. You're my savior!

Donny_Vito · August 2019

fetito666 wrote: »

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

1. Replace your Mundus Stone "The Tower" with "Lover" or "Thief". It will help a lot.
2. Reset your Brawler Skill to the other morph "Carve". Level up "Inferno" and get the Flames of Oblivion morph.
3. Use these skills: Carve (Brawler other morph) - Venomous Claw - Wrecking Blow - Reverse Slice - Flames of Oblivion. Carve, Venomous Claw and Flames of Oblivion should be used first and ticking, then use Wrecking Blow until your dots run out and you refresh them. When an enemie is below 30%, use Reverse Slice.
4. Use Standard of Might as your ultimate.

Remove CP from Healthy and put them into Mooncalf. Remove CP from Spell Shield, Resistant and Heavy armor focus and distribute them on Hardy, Thick Skinned, Elemental Defender and Ironclad. Remember those are rounded down, 23.8 % will be the same as 23.0 %.

Do you have a reason to not use your second bar? Like rp reasons, disability etc.? You don't need to explain, but unless you have a good reason to not use your second bar, you should try to do it. You don't need it for overland content etc., but you should use it in group dungeons!

If you really want to stay heavy armor:
1. Craft Hunding's Rage as heavy armor, 5 pieces on the body, small pieces divine, big pieces divine or infused as you wish. With lots of points into health like you have use Stamina enchants on armor only.
2. Go to Bangkorai. Do Dolmen for for Spriggan's jewelry and go to Old Tower Wayshrine in the Southwest. Spriggan's 2H weapons are cheap to buy, there is a named weapon "Spriggan's Wolf-Jaw" which drops from the Garach Wolf-Father boss. If you want to try out DW for example on your second bar, near Old Tower wayshrine you can find a quest with a dagger as reward, if you haven't done it already.

If you want to try medium armor, do the same but craft Hunding's Rage in medium.

Go collect some sky shards.

Thank you! This works really well now. You're my savior!

It seems like your intent is to increase your DPS as much as possible. In my opinion, the two most important factors are your rotation and light attack weaving. By rotation, this means dropping your Damage over Time abilities (DOTs) on your back bar (recommend using a Bow) and then using your single target abilities on your front bar (2hand for you), while also making sure to ALWAYS light attack before doing any skill...light attack and then almost instantly cast the skill (this will cancel the light attack animation, resulting in your getting a Light attack hit plus the Ability). If you can get these two done, you can honestly wear crappy sets and still hit well, but combined with good sets/CP/weapons you can really hit hard. But the opposite goes as well, you can have really good sets/CP/weapons and still hit like crap because you aren't light attack canceling and your rotation is weak.