Is bunny hopping or long jumping considered a reportable offense?
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bunny hopping no, its just really annoying.
....what's long jumping? If its a bug that gives you an advantage in combat then that qualifies as an Exploit.
Bunny hopping is annoying? I love it. A big fat bouncy target that can't change direction mid air!
Long jumping is definitely an exploit.2 -
MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Long jumping seems different then bunny hopping. Perhaps some clarity would help. Also, does it present like an unintended exploit?
I'm not referring to just jumping repeatedly, I'm talking about a specific directional sprint jump that catapults you about 2x the distance of a regular jump.4 -
MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Try chaining 10 of those in 30 seconds and tell us about results
I can get 2x in a row pretty consistently, 3x if I'm on a straightaway0 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bunny Hopping, No
Long Jumping, Yes
No one should be able to clear huge gaps with jumping, unless you have a macro set up for it then its impossible to get the timing right
You need to activate speed buff, press sprint jump and walk to the left/right at just the right moment or at least they way I tried months ago, but trying this in combat with a huge success rate is impossible like I said without a macro setup1 -
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✭✭✭✭Bunnyhopping is just people on sugar. The other one is certainly an exploit. I would stop, my dude.Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »
"We" don't draw the line, ZOS does. ZOS did try to fix animation canceling for about a year till they gave up and rebranded it weaving.9 -
LucyferLightbringer✭✭✭✭✭Long jumping sounds a bit like animation cancelling.... Give them some time it will become a feature...
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TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Assuming bunny-hopping is repeated hitting your regular "jump" button so that you jump up and down at the normal jump speed/distance...
No, that's neither an exploit nor reportable. Its just jumping up and down while moving forward.
Assuming the long jump is moving at greater than the intended jump distance/speed, then yes, that's an exploit. Sort of like Feather Fall, which ZOS promptly fixed after the methodology became widely known.
As far as I know, the only intended "long jump" are the leap skills, gap closers, and streak.
This! The long jump is becoming more and more a problem...so many l333t ppl are abusing this to escape a fight they would have lost.
At the moment, if you do this too often your character will be banned, not the account - needs to be the other way around...this mechanic is basically comparable to a speed hack in other games. I have no problem with bunny-hopping, but the long jumps need to go.3 -
ATomiX69✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »unless you have a macro set up for it then its impossible to get the timing right
Its extemely easy to chain long jumps on perfectly flat ground (without macros), but if you see someone chain long jumps on uneven ground, then its a macro.
I find it amusing that ZOS hasnt said anything when people first discovered it right before Summerset PTS and thats well over a year ago.
I see long jumping as much of an unintended mechanic as animation canceling is, but if it gives me an edge over other players and If I can do it without help of 3rd party programms, ofc ill use it until ZOS comes up with an official statement on the topic or just fixes it (... who am I kidding. lmao).
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New PvP content when?
Better cyro performance when?
Farmed about 3 GO's worth of AP
world 3rd immortal redeemer (22.02.18) and other not noteworthy trifectas0 -
Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Androconium wrote: »
ah yes,
The Barrel of Blatant Cheating. No-one was expecting that. No-one.
Back then, you didn't have to cheat to do that. There were scrolls you found at the very beginning of the game that gave you +1000 athletics, which is the sill that dictated how far and high you could jump, among other things. At 1000+ athletics, you could jump across the whole of vvardenfell in 2 jumps. The trick was that the scroll effect lasted 3 seconds, so you had to use one to jump, one to land and re-jump with PERFECT timing, and the third on to land at your destination. Or you could just use a levitation spell, a slow-fall spell...
One thing that really annoyed me whith Oblivion and subsequent games is that the excuse to remove flying / superjumping was that the emperor had made them illegal. So, killing is illegal, but bandits do it all the time. SOme acts of necromancy are illegal, yet you find necromancers in remote caves doing it anyway. Stealing is illegal, but still you have thieves. And yet, none of the many up-to-no-good inhabitants of Tamriel dared to violate the interdiction of levitation spells. My willing suspension of disbelief took a major blow.4 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, you could also make spells or enchants with 7 fortify jump 100 for 2 seconds + slowfall for an minute.Androconium wrote: »
ah yes,
The Barrel of Blatant Cheating. No-one was expecting that. No-one.
Back then, you didn't have to cheat to do that. There were scrolls you found at the very beginning of the game that gave you +1000 athletics, which is the sill that dictated how far and high you could jump, among other things. At 1000+ athletics, you could jump across the whole of vvardenfell in 2 jumps. The trick was that the scroll effect lasted 3 seconds, so you had to use one to jump, one to land and re-jump with PERFECT timing, and the third on to land at your destination. Or you could just use a levitation spell, a slow-fall spell...
One thing that really annoyed me whith Oblivion and subsequent games is that the excuse to remove flying / superjumping was that the emperor had made them illegal. So, killing is illegal, but bandits do it all the time. SOme acts of necromancy are illegal, yet you find necromancers in remote caves doing it anyway. Stealing is illegal, but still you have thieves. And yet, none of the many up-to-no-good inhabitants of Tamriel dared to violate the interdiction of levitation spells. My willing suspension of disbelief took a major blow.
This was weaker however.
Think levitate was just illegal in tribunal dlc, also some magic blocked it.
Main reason was that city was outside the map.
Morrowind was broken in so many ways it was funny, the fortify intelligence potion exploit is legendary, more so as it was predicted during development
Edited by zaria on August 5, 2019 12:30PMGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LucyferLightbringer wrote: »Long jumping sounds a bit like animation cancelling.... Give them some time it will become a feature...
Its not a feature until everyone knows how to do it and we're all on an equal footing. Animation canceling has definitely reached that point, with ZOS teaching players how to LA weave.
Right now, long jumping is a unintended mechanic being abused by the players who know how to do it in order to gain an advantage over the players who don't.
Want it to either become a feature or get fixed? Tell everyone how to do it. Put us all on an equal playing ground and let ZOS decide what they want to do. (That's what happened with the Feather Fall glitch.)
Otherwise its just another exploit giving advantages to those who know how to cause it.4 -
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✭MentalxHammer wrote: »Xbox NA player here, I asked a streamer around a month ago to explain the input for long jumping, I translated this to xbox controller and can now long jump in combat with about 85% success. This seems to be very powerful yet I have not seen a single other player on console execute one. Should I be concerned about being reported for bug abuse? Or should I keep long jumping over all the other console plebs?
Sounds very much like an exploit. You are taking advantage of a bug that gives you an advantage, so unless zos specifically tell us that these long jumps is a special hard to achieve playstyle that legitimately gives you an advantage... then no, you should not keep doing it.0 -
MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Bunny Hopping, No
Long Jumping, Yes
No one should be able to clear huge gaps with jumping, unless you have a macro set up for it then its impossible to get the timing right
You need to activate speed buff, press sprint jump and walk to the left/right at just the right moment or at least they way I tried months ago, but trying this in combat with a huge success rate is impossible like I said without a macro setup
This is simply untrue, I am using a gd xbox controller and dont have access to macros. With practice this can be done easily in combat, I have used it in combat to jump towards people and dawnbreaker a stack of enemies before they can react, as long as you're on flat ground you can chase down streaking sorcs no problem.
I will say that during the first several weeks of practicing this I could only get it with around a 20% success rate, it takes serious investment of time to practice this reliably on an xbox controller, there is a very very small directional window to get the long jump to activate, like 2 degrees out of the 360. I can imagine nailing this would be easier on keyboard and mouse, but like I said it is very possible to do this during combat, I get it 85% of the time.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Todd Howard showed that he had mods installed on Both ps4 and xbox in 2017.
he said they are looking into making mods accessible as part of the new games
so yes, it IS possible to do.0 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭How stupid if anyone gets banned for this but best not take the risk i suppose English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm1 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Todd Howard showed that he had mods installed on Both ps4 and xbox in 2017.
he said they are looking into making mods accessible as part of the new games
so yes, it IS possible to do.
What has this topic to do with mods? Also, Im not sure we can trust what Todd Howard says what with the things he have said over the years.3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »Todd Howard showed that he had mods installed on Both ps4 and xbox in 2017.
he said they are looking into making mods accessible as part of the new games
so yes, it IS possible to do.
What has this topic to do with mods? Also, Im not sure we can trust what Todd Howard says what with the things he have said over the years.
because several other comments were talking about third party involvements and macros and others saying it wasnt possible, and we know for a fact it IS possible. and that it has even been proven openly by bethesda employees such as todd howard that they have been doing it for Years and thats its not something new.1 -
MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Even the controller mod packs that offer back paddles dont include macros that you can set yourself, and to my knowledge there are no apps that allow macros. So I suppose one would need to mod their console to get access to macros.
I think long jumping is a high skill cap maneuver that should be allowed in game. Using macros to achieve this is just a low life move.0 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »Xbox NA player here, I asked a streamer around a month ago to explain the input for long jumping, I translated this to xbox controller and can now long jump in combat with about 85% success. This seems to be very powerful yet I have not seen a single other player on console execute one. Should I be concerned about being reported for bug abuse? Or should I keep long jumping over all the other console plebs?
That streamer sounds really helpful and informative. I should probably follow them.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
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MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭MentalxHammer wrote: »Xbox NA player here, I asked a streamer around a month ago to explain the input for long jumping, I translated this to xbox controller and can now long jump in combat with about 85% success. This seems to be very powerful yet I have not seen a single other player on console execute one. Should I be concerned about being reported for bug abuse? Or should I keep long jumping over all the other console plebs?
That streamer sounds really helpful and informative. I should probably follow them.
You know them already
, you guys have dueled once. It was lord Jarl. 1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
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I am always entertained when people use the real world for how things should work in a fantasy game.
In the real world you have limited number of arrows and have to craft or buy more arrows. In the real world I have yet to find a stick that shoots lightning, ice and fire out of it. In the real world I a person would struggle swinging a 2h sword for half an hour.1 -
Actually Yes it is an exploit as you can move faster when long jumping rather than sprinting. A lot of people use it for score runs or time runs. So if everyone in the group used it they could finish something like 10 seconds faster which adds to the score.
Also in Halls of Fabrication last boss the offtank can long jump from one platform to another without the need to go around the stairs. So you tell me if it is an exploit or not.
I would never report anyone of respect to the players but it needs to be patched.2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »MentalxHammer wrote: »Xbox NA player here, I asked a streamer around a month ago to explain the input for long jumping, I translated this to xbox controller and can now long jump in combat with about 85% success. This seems to be very powerful yet I have not seen a single other player on console execute one. Should I be concerned about being reported for bug abuse? Or should I keep long jumping over all the other console plebs?
That streamer sounds really helpful and informative. I should probably follow them.
You know them already, you guys have dueled once. It was lord Jarl.
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Zenimax,
please add a high stamina cost to jumping to the point that 2 jumps empties out the stamina pool we have making constant jumping impossible.
serious request,
please do this.
LOL ok.
Someone has never EVER PvP. Do you understand the amount of jumping you need to do in PvP? I'll put it the most simple way...
ALL THE TIME
When you're fighting you're around trees fences rocks, stairs, all kinds of obstructions that need to be lept over. There are even some stair ways and places on keep ramparts where the elevation is screwed up and you have to jump onto them to keep going.
You think I want to lose 1/2 my Stam because zos codes bad or because I'm jumping over a log or onto a rock to fight?
Get outta hereEdited by GhostofDatthaw on August 5, 2019 8:22PM1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxRSr_JoPf0
