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34 Flame Crates, Zero Mounts
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xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stop wasting money on that trash rng crap show.. If all would do that, the mounts would either be a direct sale or to get in the game.
Don't incentivise this bad monetization gambling crap. Problem solved 😜6 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭chuck-18_ESO wrote: »Seriously. Not one. What did I do to make RNGesus hate me so much?
Having hope to begin with.
Ive bought quite a few crates full of nothing before. Another time i bought a 15 pack and got the snow sabre mount i wanted in the 2nd crate. We're gambling. Go into it believing youre gonna get shafted and you can only be pleasantly surprised.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »It's in the eye of the beholder. There are also those that don't necessarily want a specific item but do enjoy the random aspect of the loot drop. Individual choice.
Yes. Those customers do not usually (usually) show up in the forum commenting on how unlucky they were because they did not win a mount.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Stop wasting money on that trash rng crap show.. If all would do that, the mounts would either be a direct sale or to get in the game.
Don't incentivise this bad monetization gambling crap. Problem solved 😜
Therein lies the problem. These microtransactions prey on human psychology - in particular those prone to addiction - by design. And unless we figure out a way to eliminate addiction and irrationality in the entire human population, there will always be people victimized by this. It's not a matter of people needing to "stop wasting money." It's a matter of consumer protections needing to step up to regulate the unethical spiral that AAA gaming companies have sucked themselves into over the past decade or so, ESO included. The gaming industry is VERY well aware that they are using microstransaction models - including but not limited to gamble boxes - that prey on human psychology. It's unethical, and it won't stop until regulation steps in.4 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭If you support the loot box system it just gets worse, don’t buy them if you aren’t ready for that rng.3 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »The odds of getting a mount are about 2%. Which means the odds you do not get a mount are 98%. Chain that together 34 times:
0.98 ^ 34 = 0.5031 = 50.31%
Thus, the odds of not getting a mount after 34 crates is actually slighter higher than the odds of getting a mount.
The odds are not cumulative. Each box as no affect on the box before or after it.
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stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Stop wasting money on that trash rng crap show.. If all would do that, the mounts would either be a direct sale or to get in the game.
Don't incentivise this bad monetization gambling crap. Problem solved 😜
Therein lies the problem. These microtransactions prey on human psychology - in particular those prone to addiction - by design. And unless we figure out a way to eliminate addiction and irrationality in the entire human population, there will always be people victimized by this. It's not a matter of people needing to "stop wasting money." It's a matter of consumer protections needing to step up to regulate the unethical spiral that AAA gaming companies have sucked themselves into over the past decade or so, ESO included. The gaming industry is VERY well aware that they are using microstransaction models - including but not limited to gamble boxes - that prey on human psychology. It's unethical, and it won't stop until regulation steps in.
Yes because regulation has worked so well in regards to tobacco and alcohol & the multi billon dollar gambling industry (as you mentioned addictive behaviors). Who decides what business practice is "unethical"? Simply because you may personally disgree with it doesn't make it so. A private enterprise can use the revenue stream they choose in this regard. A person can likewise choose to support it or not. Government regulation is not an answer. Personal choice and accountability.5 -
Avariprivateer✭✭✭
Is it worth real money to watch an animated cat flip cards for five minutes? Is that legitimately classifiable as a form of entertainment? What if we had blind vending machines, pop 20 in, maybe you get merlot from Bordeaux maybe you get Pabst Blue Ribbon or a PS4 versus a stick of gum.stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Sorry you feel that way, but it's OP's $$ just like it is my $$. I am an adult. I can spend my $$ however I may choose. What a person thinks is a "waste of money" is different person to person.
But if you didn't get what you want you did waste your money.
Loot boxes need to go. Add every item as directly purchasable at any time.
Not necessarily true. The OP (or anyone) may not have gotten what they were hoping for, but they may have gotten other items they liked, and thus, would not necessarily be a "waste of money". It's in the eye of the beholder. There are also those that don't necessarily want a specific item but do enjoy the random aspect of the loot drop. Individual choice.
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tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »The odds of getting a mount are about 2%. Which means the odds you do not get a mount are 98%. Chain that together 34 times:
0.98 ^ 34 = 0.5031 = 50.31%
Thus, the odds of not getting a mount after 34 crates is actually slighter higher than the odds of getting a mount.
The odds are not cumulative. Each box as no affect on the box before or after it.
he didn't make them "cumulative". He did the calculation as if they were all independent events.
I love when people who don't know math try and "catch" somebody doing math wrong.
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Yes because regulation has worked so well in regards to tobacco and alcohol & the multi billon dollar gambling industry (as you mentioned addictive behaviors).
It has, actually. Do a little research on it while remembering not to confuse regulation with elimination. Elimination is not only impossible, it isn't the goal. Humans will inevitably do things that are bad for them, but law can, does, and to most people should work to mitigate harm. When the impact of policy is then assessed through scientific methods - and it has been pretty extensively for both of these - we can know what is working and what isn't. As I said, there is a ton of research out there about this stuff and you can access more of it at your public or university library.stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Who decides what business practice is "unethical"? Simply because you may personally disgree with it doesn't make it so.
That's exactly how ethics work, actually, unless you're an objectivist. I'm not.stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »A private enterprise can use the revenue stream they choose in this regard. A person can likewise choose to support it or not. Government regulation is not an answer. Personal choice and accountability.
Simplistic solutions to complex problems are rarely the answer. A combination of both is both wise and prudent.Edited by Starlock on August 4, 2019 3:48PM3 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »The odds of getting a mount are about 2%. Which means the odds you do not get a mount are 98%. Chain that together 34 times:
0.98 ^ 34 = 0.5031 = 50.31%
Thus, the odds of not getting a mount after 34 crates is actually slighter higher than the odds of getting a mount.
The odds are not cumulative. Each box as no affect on the box before or after it.
he didn't make them "cumulative". He did the calculation as if they were all independent events.
I love when people who don't know math try and "catch" somebody doing math wrong.
Good job proving your own statement.
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tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »The odds of getting a mount are about 2%. Which means the odds you do not get a mount are 98%. Chain that together 34 times:
0.98 ^ 34 = 0.5031 = 50.31%
Thus, the odds of not getting a mount after 34 crates is actually slighter higher than the odds of getting a mount.
The odds are not cumulative. Each box as no affect on the box before or after it.
he didn't make them "cumulative". He did the calculation as if they were all independent events.
I love when people who don't know math try and "catch" somebody doing math wrong.
Good job proving your own statement.
I notice you still haven't done any math, you've just said it's wrong. No proof, no counter, nothing.
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kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭The real issue is op just didn't buy enough crates. Just grab another 5×15 stack and you should get something great. Not a waste of money if you get a pixel horse you can ride around on for next few years while game still running. Just a grab some videos and screenshots and you're set for post ESO too. Just remember that the sooner you buy the sooner and longer you can enjoy. Also if you don't get what you want just buy another stack because you'll probably get it on the next try. Let us know when you get all the radiant stuff so we can all tell you awesome you are.Edited by kmcaj on August 4, 2019 4:23PM3
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a matter of consumer protections needing to step up to regulate the unethical spiral that AAA gaming companies have sucked themselves into over the past decade or so, ESO included. The gaming industry is VERY well aware that they are using microstransaction models - including but not limited to gamble boxes - that prey on human psychology. It's unethical, and it won't stop until regulation steps in.
I don't like loot boxes, and that includes Crown Crates, but where stuff like this is concerned, adults need to be treated like adults. Adults need to be able to make informed decisions, not be told by the government what they can and cannot do.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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stewhead2ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Avariprivateer wrote: »
Is it worth real money to watch an animated cat flip cards for five minutes? Is that legitimately classifiable as a form of entertainment? What if we had blind vending machines, pop 20 in, maybe you get merlot from Bordeaux maybe you get Pabst Blue Ribbon or a PS4 versus a stick of gum.stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Sorry you feel that way, but it's OP's $$ just like it is my $$. I am an adult. I can spend my $$ however I may choose. What a person thinks is a "waste of money" is different person to person.
But if you didn't get what you want you did waste your money.
Loot boxes need to go. Add every item as directly purchasable at any time.
Not necessarily true. The OP (or anyone) may not have gotten what they were hoping for, but they may have gotten other items they liked, and thus, would not necessarily be a "waste of money". It's in the eye of the beholder. There are also those that don't necessarily want a specific item but do enjoy the random aspect of the loot drop. Individual choice.
To some it is worth real money. To others it is not. A person cannot decide what is "legitimately classifiable as a form of entertainment" for someone else. You may have an opinion on the matter, but that is all it is. Entertainment value is different for everyone.Edited by stewhead2ub17_ESO on August 4, 2019 4:35PM2 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »It's a matter of consumer protections needing to step up to regulate the unethical spiral that AAA gaming companies have sucked themselves into over the past decade or so, ESO included. The gaming industry is VERY well aware that they are using microstransaction models - including but not limited to gamble boxes - that prey on human psychology. It's unethical, and it won't stop until regulation steps in.
I don't like loot boxes, and that includes Crown Crates, but where stuff like this is concerned, adults need to be treated like adults. Adults need to be able to make informed decisions, not be told by the government what they can and cannot do.
Absolutely. If I want to take my neighbors car for ride down the sidewalk no government should be telling me what I can and cannot do.1 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love players with clowncrate mounts, in the Cyrodiil...Morgan Freeman's voice starts the narration of a weak wildebeest singled out & hunted by a great Orc...lion.1 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »It's a matter of consumer protections needing to step up to regulate the unethical spiral that AAA gaming companies have sucked themselves into over the past decade or so, ESO included. The gaming industry is VERY well aware that they are using microstransaction models - including but not limited to gamble boxes - that prey on human psychology. It's unethical, and it won't stop until regulation steps in.
I don't like loot boxes, and that includes Crown Crates, but where stuff like this is concerned, adults need to be treated like adults. Adults need to be able to make informed decisions, not be told by the government what they can and cannot do.
The whole purpose of any government is to tell people what they can and can't do.1 -
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✭✭I've gotten more radiant apex than apex mounts.. and I've almost never gotten apex mounts directly from a crate.
Thats why you buy 30 or 60 instead of 1-5.. so you can get gems to buy the mount you want, like most people.2 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »chuck-18_ESO wrote: »
Actually it was only 404. barely enough to get a mount. I've been unlucky before, but never this unlucky.
So... you weren't just trying to get "A" mount, you were trying to get an APEX mount? APEX mounts (400 gem cost) only have around a 0.28% chance to drop from a crate. Not sure why you expected to get something that has less than a 1% drop rate from only 34 crates.
If you've gotten APEX mounts from only 34 crates in the past, then you have been very lucky. Sounds like RNGesus actually loves you a lot, he just didn't love you quite as much this time.
You DID get enough gems (404) to get ALL FOUR of the non-Apex mounts from the Fire Atronach crates. You could get the Senche Leopard, the Masked Bear, the Ice Wolf AND the Black Camel of Ill Omen... and still have 4 gems left over.
My five-year-old got the flame wolf mount buying 4 with his eso+ sub crowns hes just starting out and it made him so happy hes now cp 35 and loves the game0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Its your fault for supporting this scammy system, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Yes, let’s blame the victim. Let’s blame the victims of companies who design predatory microtransactions that deliberatly manipulate human psychology for profit. It’s totally the victim’s fault that they’re exposed to con artistry in an entertainment medum thta used to lack such garbage. And it is also totally the victim’s fault thta legislators worldwide haven’t yet steppee up to regulate this crap as they need to be.
Let's stop throwing the word "victim" out here. The OP was NOT a victim. No one forced him to buy crates, certainly no one forced him to buy 34 of them in the hopes to get a random drop (the OP used the term RNG implying they they knew full well it was a random drop).
No victim here. Just someone that spent money and didn't get exactly what they wanted.
Edited by Bouldercleave on August 4, 2019 5:02PM7 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »YaYaPineapple wrote: »chuck-18_ESO wrote: »
Actually it was only 404. barely enough to get a mount. I've been unlucky before, but never this unlucky.
So... you weren't just trying to get "A" mount, you were trying to get an APEX mount? APEX mounts (400 gem cost) only have around a 0.28% chance to drop from a crate. Not sure why you expected to get something that has less than a 1% drop rate from only 34 crates.
If you've gotten APEX mounts from only 34 crates in the past, then you have been very lucky. Sounds like RNGesus actually loves you a lot, he just didn't love you quite as much this time.
You DID get enough gems (404) to get ALL FOUR of the non-Apex mounts from the Fire Atronach crates. You could get the Senche Leopard, the Masked Bear, the Ice Wolf AND the Black Camel of Ill Omen... and still have 4 gems left over.
My five-year-old got the flame wolf mount buying 4 with his eso+ sub crowns hes just starting out and it made him so happy hes now cp 35 and loves the game
Bait was too strong lol.0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭OP was victimized so that makes him a victim. It was unjust to not get a mount. OP didn't deserve that. Only reasonable solution is to buy more crates though.0
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Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭chuck-18_ESO wrote: »Seriously. Not one. What did I do to make RNGesus hate me so much?
Hope you've learned your lesson.
Buy even more crates next time!
Never buy that *** again.2 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »YaYaPineapple wrote: »chuck-18_ESO wrote: »
Actually it was only 404. barely enough to get a mount. I've been unlucky before, but never this unlucky.
So... you weren't just trying to get "A" mount, you were trying to get an APEX mount? APEX mounts (400 gem cost) only have around a 0.28% chance to drop from a crate. Not sure why you expected to get something that has less than a 1% drop rate from only 34 crates.
If you've gotten APEX mounts from only 34 crates in the past, then you have been very lucky. Sounds like RNGesus actually loves you a lot, he just didn't love you quite as much this time.
You DID get enough gems (404) to get ALL FOUR of the non-Apex mounts from the Fire Atronach crates. You could get the Senche Leopard, the Masked Bear, the Ice Wolf AND the Black Camel of Ill Omen... and still have 4 gems left over.
My five-year-old got the flame wolf mount buying 4 with his eso+ sub crowns hes just starting out and it made him so happy hes now cp 35 and loves the game
Bait was too strong lol.
No cuz you know unless it's Subs crowns he'll never spend another dollar on it and the fact that he pays for a sub to play with his dad in The dlc Dungeons I'm okay with that 14.99 for a whole month of fun is way better then 140.00+ to take family out for 1 day of fun
And the only bait that was used was a kid wanting to play with his dad maybe you should have kids then you'd understandEdited by Nordic__Knights on August 4, 2019 5:27PM2
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