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Werewolf Nerf?

  • spacebandit
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    Tested this yesterday

    Tested
    36,654.8 DPS, 1m 22s, 3m HP - PTS
    40,029.4 DPS, 1m 15s, 3m HP - Live
    -3,374.6 DPS / 91.57% (-8.43%)
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    Pack Leader
    42,123.8 DPS, 1m 11s, 3m HP - PTS
    42,599.9 DPS, 1m 11s, 3m HP - Live
    -476.1 DPS / 98.88% (-1.12%)
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    Molag, Rele, Blood Moon

    Only did one test each so it could be a bit different than what is here. Also, I doubt that I'm completely optimized(not perfect CP, Enchants, Traits) for damage, but it's likely fairly close to being as high as possible. Surprised that Pack Leader was so close on the PTS as it is on Live.

    Side note: (problems/complaints/fixes)
    It's tedious to keep the form active as well as having devour cover up synergies while in combat, but WW is fun and at least semi-competitive for damage. Currently, it's "good enough" to still play as a fun build and still feel like it's worth the spot in a group. There is some upside against moving bosses since it has no ground DoTs that you have to recast, but it highly lacks AoE damage in general. The claw change was kind of nice, but it's still giving up a lot of AoE damage to play as WW. Outside of the form, there is a damage loss due to CP being different for WW than a standard build. This along with wearing gear speced for a WW and not being in the form is about a 30-40% damage loss over non-WWs. Depending on the Dungeon/Trial/Whatever you may be forced out of WW form a few times during a run. It is also impossible to maintain at all if the group is slow enough; waiting between fights.

    Personally, I'd like to see WW form be a toggled ability that sets your ultimate to 0. This avoids abuse with DK passive. Give it a 30 second cooldown on leaving the form. Either make the devour passive not automatic(so you can simply choose not to take it, which I'd highly prefer), or give devour it's own synergy key. This fixes all the problems with devour, since you don't need to do it to maintain the form, but it could still be there for the healing it gives. It also fixes the issue with severe damage loss when not in the form since you have more control over when it occurs.

    For the damage loss on the PTS compared to live, just have the damage on the Berserker scale up over time. Easy fix. Solves the problem with the bleed damage being too much burst on each hit and still maintains it's current strength.

    I can't speak too much about PvP even though I have tried both a DPS and a tank build. Not being able to maintain the form kind of ruins it for me. I know it's strong there, which is why it's being changed, but either way, I'd be more interested in it being balanced around a toggled form rather than as it is now.
    [/quote] thank you for sharing. I’m happily surprised with pack leader

    Edited by spacebandit on April 17, 2019 9:45PM
  • spacebandit
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  • brtomkin
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    ... But same build, same gear (once again I use Berserker) is doing the same bleed damage plus new buff percentage in 4 secs instead of 8.

    Ok, now this sounds interesting!

    PS5 NA: Pickmans__Model, CP 2000+
  • Dashmatt
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    Edit: nevermind
    Edited by Dashmatt on April 18, 2019 5:37AM
  • Swen_von_Walhallion
    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Can someone in PTS make a 6M test for us please ? Thank you !

    Relequen + Blood Moon + Kena

    Lover Mundus

    Pack leader , no pre-buff , weapon power potion , just LA

    Thank you !

    Actually , I don't play WW since Wrathstone , because those dungeons are not WW friendly , WW requires to port into 2nd zone in DOM last boss phase , WW timer will run out quickly , there are nothing we can devour except the little tree , in FV last boss , WW requires to transform into mickey form , we lose the WW form .

    Anyone here can complete these HM with WW ?

    I think there are no reason ZOS gonna nerf WW unless they do it base on the BG results and bleeding issues .

    WW OP ? No kidding , we play it for fun .

    i have only Malatar HM with my WW, wasnt try HM in FV yet
    Adraria Argentum Draco - imperial Stamplar
    Bevdyen Tus Ntxhuav - Orc Stamplar
    Celestun Ira Dei- Imperial Tankplar
    Halldis Rautt Höfuð- Nord Tankplar
    Misawa Yoshike - Breton Healplar
    Lae'ozhael - Dunmer Magplar
  • ccfeeling
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    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Can someone in PTS make a 6M test for us please ? Thank you !

    Relequen + Blood Moon + Kena

    Lover Mundus

    Pack leader , no pre-buff , weapon power potion , just LA

    Thank you !

    Actually , I don't play WW since Wrathstone , because those dungeons are not WW friendly , WW requires to port into 2nd zone in DOM last boss phase , WW timer will run out quickly , there are nothing we can devour except the little tree , in FV last boss , WW requires to transform into mickey form , we lose the WW form .

    Anyone here can complete these HM with WW ?

    I think there are no reason ZOS gonna nerf WW unless they do it base on the BG results and bleeding issues .

    WW OP ? No kidding , we play it for fun .

    i have only Malatar HM with my WW, wasnt try HM in FV yet

    Cool , it's pretty hard to me , can you provide me some tips ? Thank you !

    We run 1tank 3dd .
  • sneakymitchell
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    brtomkin wrote: »

    ... But same build, same gear (once again I use Berserker) is doing the same bleed damage plus new buff percentage in 4 secs instead of 8.

    Ok, now this sounds interesting!

    More burst damage for pvp and pve. Even though that you can’t refresh till it runs out but I’m sure you can keep the bleed up 100% depending on mechanics.
    NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
    PC-NA Ebonheart Pact Nord Stam Templar
  • spacebandit
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    Aznox wrote: »
    Live bleed on single LA, proc at seconds :
    0 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 8

    Live bleed on LA spam, proc at seconds (approx) :
    0 - 0.65 - 1.3 - 1.95 - 2.6 - 3.25 - 3.9 - 4.55 - 5.2 - 5.85 - 6.5 - 7.15 - 7.8 - 8.45 - 9.1 - 9.75 - 10.4

    PTS bleed on single LA, proc at seconds :
    1 - 2 - 3 - 4

    PTS bleed on LA spam, proc at seconds (approx) :
    1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5.5 - 6.5 - 7.5 - 8.5 - 10

    (spoiler : due to the damage/tick, it should be all fine, no major nerf)
    thanks for the information.

  • HawkFest
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    Probably. You’ll see a huge nerf when they destroy cp as the double and triple dipping with LA CP is where a lot of WW dps comes
    from. Keep listening to these forum warriors and watch your game die ZOS.

    Anyways those forums are unreadable by most normal people using their valuable time for other things than learning to write and read abbreviations and meaningless chains of alphabets. I mean, one must know by heart all sets and and such in the game in order to understand anything, that's ridiculous... Who wants to be in a sect using vernacular language in order to feel "special" ? Same thing. Some of my noob friends abandoned the game after they saw that those forums where they though they could learn something, were in fact factoring in the confusion... Go ahead "forum warriors", you'll end up fighting for an empty void lmao.
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