Lava Whip Cost Increase intended?

Denmaras · July 2019

Hi,
I just realised while testing on PTS that Lava Whip and both its morphs now cost 2.7k magicka as opposed to live where it still costs 2295 magicka. I checked all the recent patch notes three times and couldn't find any mention of a cost increase. You can see on the picture, it shows the difference (without the light armor cost reduction passive and gear that would affect the costs) in both live and pts.
Would appreciate some clarification, because this is quite a noticeable change!

*Difference in tooltip is due to different champion points/food/similiar that would not affect the cost

UrbanMonk · July 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2019

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Denmaras · July 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Even if it was part of a standardization why wasn't it mentioned anywhere then? I mean a cost increase of 400 should be worth of mentioning.

And besides this is a quote of elsweyr patch "Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”". Reading that how does the cost increase make any sense.

Olupajmibanan · July 2019

My bad, didn't read whole post.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

If this is the case, it should have the same cost as Veiled Strike and Flurry. One could say that Puncture should be in this category as well.

Derra · July 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Denmaras · July 2019

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Most likely, you were using % bonuses for magicka cost reduction outside of LA passive, maybe Breton bonus?Scalebreaker, the cost reduction formula works differently: % cost reduction bonuses are now multiplicative (rather than additive which is the case for live) resulting in higher actual cost of spells. But I am kinda with you in this, even if it was Breton bonus, more than 400 cost increase is just too much.

Read my post, both pictures were taken with 0% cost reduction.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2019

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

only stam based skills get that 15% less, whip is magic based.

Even if it was part of a standardization why wasn't it mentioned anywhere then? I mean a cost increase of 400 should be worth of mentioning.

And besides this is a quote of elsweyr patch "Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”". Reading that how does the cost increase make any sense.

people make mistakes and they just missed it the patch notes? i mean look at the destructive reach/clench part, zos just put reach in both.

Denmaras · July 2019

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Yes, they actually mentioned in Elsweyr Patch that 2295 would be the standard for melee magicka spammables.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2019

Denmaras wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Yes, they actually mentioned in Elsweyr Patch that 2295 would be the standard for melee magicka spammables.

Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156

zos is clearly going another direction, look at caltops, buffed in that same patch and now is getting nerfed. cant really take the past changes seriously going forward.

Denmaras · July 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Denmaras wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Yes, they actually mentioned in Elsweyr Patch that 2295 would be the standard for melee magicka spammables.

Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156

zos is clearly going another direction, look at caltops, buffed in that same patch and now is getting nerfed. cant really take the past changes seriously going forward.

Caltrops wasn't for standardization though and that was clearly mentioned. We are still not sure about whether lava whip cost increase was intended or not.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2019

Denmaras wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Denmaras wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Yes, they actually mentioned in Elsweyr Patch that 2295 would be the standard for melee magicka spammables.

Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156

zos is clearly going another direction, look at caltops, buffed in that same patch and now is getting nerfed. cant really take the past changes seriously going forward.

Caltrops wasn't for standardization though and that was clearly mentioned. We are still not sure about whether lava whip cost increase was intended or not.

Caltrops:

Reduced the base cost to 2984 from 3510.

Increased the snare potency to 50% from 30%.

Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 60%, and decreased the duration to 10 seconds from 12 seconds. These changes apply to all morphs.

Caltrops now ranks up in 1.1% damage per rank, rather than reducing in cost.

Anti-Cavalry Caltrops (morph): Decreased the base duration to 12 seconds, which ranks up to 15 seconds at Rank IV. It also no longer increases in damage per rank.

Razor Caltrops (morph): This ability no longer deals initial hit damage, but instead applies Major Fracture to enemies hit by the DoT, up to 4 seconds at Rank IV.

where is it clearly mentioned that it is not?

Derra · July 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Denmaras wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Yes, they actually mentioned in Elsweyr Patch that 2295 would be the standard for melee magicka spammables.

Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156

zos is clearly going another direction, look at caltops, buffed in that same patch and now is getting nerfed. cant really take the past changes seriously going forward.

Still questionable without patchnotes. It seems like old code snuck in.

This doesn´t seem intended from my pov atleast.

Denmaras · July 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Denmaras wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Denmaras wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

just part of the rebalance and equalization of the game, it is a spammable and now costs the same as almost every other spammable in the game. you are not the first to notice this. here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485109/lava-whip-and-morfs-should-not-be-so-expensive/p1

Shouldn´t it adhere to melee skill standards not ranged?
Ranged spammables are 2700 cost melee should be 10 or 15% below?

Yes, they actually mentioned in Elsweyr Patch that 2295 would be the standard for melee magicka spammables.

Lava Whip: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by 5% to put it in line with other melee “spammables”.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156

zos is clearly going another direction, look at caltops, buffed in that same patch and now is getting nerfed. cant really take the past changes seriously going forward.

Caltrops wasn't for standardization though and that was clearly mentioned. We are still not sure about whether lava whip cost increase was intended or not.

Caltrops:

Reduced the base cost to 2984 from 3510.

Increased the snare potency to 50% from 30%.

Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 60%, and decreased the duration to 10 seconds from 12 seconds. These changes apply to all morphs.

Caltrops now ranks up in 1.1% damage per rank, rather than reducing in cost.

Anti-Cavalry Caltrops (morph): Decreased the base duration to 12 seconds, which ranks up to 15 seconds at Rank IV. It also no longer increases in damage per rank.

Razor Caltrops (morph): This ability no longer deals initial hit damage, but instead applies Major Fracture to enemies hit by the DoT, up to 4 seconds at Rank IV.

where is it clearly mentioned that it is not?

Caltrops was moved to a different skill category. It's no longer a damage, but a utility skill. And that's a pointless tangent.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2019

@Denmaras congrats, you were right.

Dragonknight

Ardent Flame

Lava Whip: Reverted the cost of this ability and its morphs to 2295 from 2700, which is their intended cost. Sorry for the confusion!

kalunte · July 2019

great victory here

Denmaras · July 2019

Yeah, I am just glad it was fixed so quickly

Xvorg · July 2019

kalunte wrote: »

great victory here

It's not a victory if it is something that should have never been changed, it's just placebo

Glad OP noticed, but this change doesn't solve DKs problems.

Anyway, PTS is just a popularity contest so I'm afraid these kind of "mistakes" are more common than we think.

Vortigaunt · July 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

kalunte wrote: »

great victory here

It's not a victory if it is something that should have never been changed, it's just placebo

Glad OP noticed, but this change doesn't solve DKs problems.

Anyway, PTS is just a popularity contest so I'm afraid these kind of "mistakes" are more common than we think.

What dk problems? Dk is a top class for pvp