MagSorcs identity

Vahrokh · July 2019

Famous Alcast tells twice in the video: "does not feel like I am playing magicka sorc any more" and I wholeheartedly agree with him!

After 5 years, for the first time, we have to drop Liquid Lightning.
Second pet? Butchered and useless, including the "DPS" Tormentor (that always sucked anyway).
Elemental Blockade? Not a "native" magsorc ability but it's 5 years that works lovely with Liquid Ligthning... Gone.

Every single damn patch my class (and not just that) become less and less captivating, less and less engaging. It's now a copy-paste, like everyone else.

When will you stop messing up our game? We did not roll a MagSorc to be a poorer version of a NB.

I always loved AoE classes, every game has one and it's usually mages.
We had Elemental Ring... gone, since so many years.
We had Crystal shards... twisted every single patch until it's just some RNG proc.
We had (like all mages in every game) a shields based survival kit => nerfed. Re-nerfed. Bugged. Bi-bugged. Re-nerfed. Re-buffed. Re-nerfed. Re-buffed. To appease all of 2000 PvP players in an instanced minigame, screwing a million PvE players over.

I don't have words for all of this. I'd trade 2014 ESO for this every day.
Blizzard had the brains to re-create and bring back WoW Classic, which is 10 times better than the sack of garbage known as "BFA". Because you don't fix what is not broken.

I hope one day we'll get "ESO Classic" to finally enjoy our game again. Yes, the ESO where you actually had to pay attention not to pull more than 2 NPCs at a time else... <Consequences for dumb actions> happened.

https://youtu.be/Y6mho25B63I

Jimmy_The_Fixer · July 2019

2014 ESO was way worse than this, maybe you don’t remember needing to be a dark elf mag DK with 3 weapon damage glyphs.

LiquidPony · July 2019

The demise of Lightning Flood is greatly exaggerated.

I could take the time to crit farm that for 77% LA crits and 89% Crystal Frags crits and get it up around 93-94k I'm sure.

I also kind of suck at magsorc and haven't really figured out the right rhythm for recasting Scalding Rune.

But regardless, 5.8k DPS from Lightning Flood is pretty solid. And the idea that this is a "poorer version of a NB" is, IMO, really strange. First, magblades are not hitting this high on PTS. Second, magblades have traditionally been a Direct Damage oriented mag spec and this is basically a pure DoT spec.

Really not sure what your complaint Elemental Ring is about, either. Put on a Lightning Staff and throw on Lightning Flood and Pulsar/Elemental Ring (especially with a BRP staff) in a big group of adds and tell me where most of your DPS comes from.

Saril_Durzam · July 2019

Switching skills and playstyle isn´t bad, if it´s done from time to time. I´m more concerned about some serious issues the class is presenting, namely sustain, survability and selfhealing. If the patch would solve them, then i´d be happy.

Emma_Overload · July 2019

Mag Sorc started dying when they put a cooldown on Surge and made the heal a flat value. This forced Sorcs to change from an aggressive, offence-is-the-best-defence playstyle into the hated shield spammers we are today.

pattyLtd · July 2019

My sorc mever felt same since morrowind.
People forget easy they keep butchering everything in the game.

I remember switching classes on alts made the game feel fresh now all feels same really bit they not happy yet aparentlY.

Amira · July 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Mag Sorc started dying when they put a cooldown on Surge and made the heal a flat value. This forced Sorcs to change from an aggressive, offence-is-the-best-defence playstyle into the hated shield spammers we are today.

And yet cheese cloak players still remain, go figure.

All cloak morphs should have a higher cost and perma stealth shouldn't be in the game. Time for the cloak crutch players to finally l2p.

#Nerf Cloak

Burgererer · July 2019

"When will you stop messing up our game?" -OP

Its their game. You pay for the right to play it. This post isn't to criticize, just reminding people to not be toxic monster on these forums.

Wuuffyy · July 2019

Ah. Poor Alcast. Darn it. Need to get everybody here a cookie.

Grandma · July 2019

Burgererer wrote: »

"When will you stop messing up our game?" -OP

Its their game. You pay for the right to play it. This post isn't to criticize, just reminding people to not be toxic monster on these forums.

your words fall on deaf ears. this forum will never get above that level of mindless screaming. It's just how game forums go. For every 1 sensible post, whether its pro or anti patch, there's 90 trash ones. This post is somewhere in between.

lightning flood still does great dps. In fact, if you watch the video, alcast mentions probably slotting it in raids for the synergy and aoe damage. twilight is a shame, but at least we still get to use a pet.

Victor_Blade · July 2019

Amira wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Mag Sorc started dying when they put a cooldown on Surge and made the heal a flat value. This forced Sorcs to change from an aggressive, offence-is-the-best-defence playstyle into the hated shield spammers we are today.

And yet cheese cloak players still remain, go figure.

All cloak morphs should have a higher cost and perma stealth shouldn't be in the game. Time for the cloak crutch players to finally l2p.

#Nerf Cloak

What? People crying about cloak in 2019? XD I'm a nb main but sure nerf it idc. Most nbs in pc eu have already dropped cloak cos it gets countered so easily. But if you're still having trouble with it then l2p.

But of course, even if cloak costs 8k magicka to cast, you'll still cry about it. Let's say cloak gets cost increased to 8k and duration increases to 6 secs, and the next cloak cast within 8 seconds will have a .5 second channel time, you'll still die to the same nightblade.

It's not cloak crutch, it's your lack of skills

Frozen_Heart246 · July 2019

Vahrokh wrote: »

Every single damn patch my class (and not just that) become less and less captivating, less and less engaging. It's now a copy-paste, like everyone else.

As you just say it's not only sorc who losing class identity, it's everyone. And i can understand why dev team doing this. It's much more easy to "balance" all classes together(hello stam setups vs mags one). Dont get me wrong I couldnt say it's the best way to balance through nerfs and standardize but it's a some sorft of balance after all even if you have to loose class identity.

But losing class identity in exchange of class balance it's too much price for me. So probably the next three or more month i will hold my eso+ away..

josh.lackey_ESO · July 2019

Burgererer wrote: »

"When will you stop messing up our game?" -OP

Its their game. You pay for the right to play it. This post isn't to criticize, just reminding people to not be toxic monster on these forums.

Actually, without people paying for it there would be no game. They didn't develop it as a hobby then try to monetize it. It was developed with the expectation people would pay. It's our game, too. If we all stopped paying, the servers would shut down next month.

WuffyCerulei · July 2019

I still absolutely refuse to play that gross rotation be suggests. I’m a sorc and am going to play as such.

Vortigaunt · July 2019

Amira wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Mag Sorc started dying when they put a cooldown on Surge and made the heal a flat value. This forced Sorcs to change from an aggressive, offence-is-the-best-defence playstyle into the hated shield spammers we are today.

And yet cheese cloak players still remain, go figure.

All cloak morphs should have a higher cost and perma stealth shouldn't be in the game. Time for the cloak crutch players to finally l2p.

#Nerf Cloak

Can you imagine the outcry 😂 imagine having to actually build some defense in your builds instead of just focus on roll dodging and mag sustain

Banana · July 2019

Im sill waiting for a class change so i can join the team

SirMewser · July 2019

Burgererer wrote: »

"When will you stop messing up our game?" -OP

Its their game. You pay for the right to play it. This post isn't to criticize, just reminding people to not be toxic monster on these forums.

Agreed, the moral on the forums have been a messy wingwöm, people tend to forget it's not just "me, me, me" survival.

Shantu · July 2019

I know the video is just Alcast's idea of how to parse a MagSorc on the PTS, but I don't care if he gets 1000k parse, that rotation is just pathetic. Please ZOS, tell us this isn't the endpoint of your combat "vision".

IMO, balance should be a comparative analysis across class skills. No class should be required to go outside of class and weapon skills to remain viable. The utter gutting of class skills in lieu of non-class options is just a strange approach to balance. It's like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Saril_Durzam · July 2019

Victor_Blade wrote: »

Amira wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Mag Sorc started dying when they put a cooldown on Surge and made the heal a flat value. This forced Sorcs to change from an aggressive, offence-is-the-best-defence playstyle into the hated shield spammers we are today.

And yet cheese cloak players still remain, go figure.

All cloak morphs should have a higher cost and perma stealth shouldn't be in the game. Time for the cloak crutch players to finally l2p.

#Nerf Cloak

What? People crying about cloak in 2019? XD I'm a nb main but sure nerf it idc. Most nbs in pc eu have already dropped cloak cos it gets countered so easily. But if you're still having trouble with it then l2p.

But of course, even if cloak costs 8k magicka to cast, you'll still cry about it. Let's say cloak gets cost increased to 8k and duration increases to 6 secs, and the next cloak cast within 8 seconds will have a .5 second channel time, you'll still die to the same nightblade.

It's not cloak crutch, it's your lack of skills

Cloak, being significantly better than Streak, should have same treatment. Increased costs for next uses. A bad NB can be cuaght, a good one is the same as a good tank, better leave it cuz you will die or not, but he won´t do it. Magelight is very expensive and detect pots dont have 100% uptime. All what the NB has to do is 2 straight rolls then Cloak again. Much easie defence than streak, by far, and still people cries ten times more for streak... its not L2P, it´s about balance. Cloack overperforms. Dead cheap and spammable. Wrong.

Vahrokh · July 2019

Burgererer wrote: »

"When will you stop messing up our game?" -OP

Its their game. You pay for the right to play it. This post isn't to criticize, just reminding people to not be toxic monster on these forums.

It's like a movie or a cheeseburger. Sure, it's not MY movie, nor MY cinema but if they keep screwing with us, they'll end up bankrupt.