Macros are topping single target DPS for mag classes. I haven't seen any high end players do a Magden parse so I can't say for them, but they're definitely looking competitive DPS wise this patch.

Might also want to specify whether you're looking to do PvP, PvE, or both.

Magden are probably gonna hurt.

Magcro are probably gonna be fine with their Rapid Rot Passive they're gonna be strong in the upcoming DoT meta.

rumple9 wrote: »

I just rolled a stamcro yesterday. Should I change it to mag?

No... well, not yet

i heard magden and magcro are actually good currently on pts

Masel wrote: »

These are done for comparison, and might not be the ultimately highest dps parses on the respective class because I used static rotations.




Here's a mag dk parse for comparison ~93k:

https://youtu.be/rlSSI2Qu-Yw


All in the low 90s, so the difference isnt huge. Most groups will likely prefer a neceo though, because of that major vulnerability.

That actually doesn't look to bad for a Magdk and I don't mind all class skills on front then a mix on back..there may be hope yet! Thanks for posting those!!!!

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

For PvE and group PvP, Magden would definitely be worth a try... still room for improvement when it comes to utility but it’s PvE pts dps numbers aren’t bad

Duels and Solo PvP however is a completely different story due to how zos has butchered the class burst combos, stuns, and mobility over the years

Joxer61 wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

I thought MagDks were welcomed due to Engulfing? I mean not every raid has a Dk tank, right....lol!?

We're pretty bad at providing utility as our dps skills don't proc maturation on allies, instead relying on orbs. Both tanks and healers are much better.

Joxer61 wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

I thought MagDks were welcomed due to Engulfing? I mean not every raid has a Dk tank, right....lol!?

We're pretty bad at providing utility as our dps skills don't proc maturation on allies, instead relying on orbs. Both tanks and healers are much better.

Yea I was talking about about MagDk, sorry for mixup but I agree. And its sad. I mean every class should bring something to a raid, should it not?

Absolutely! Everything should be able to bring something useful while also having unique identity and themes. I think score running should be a mix of all classes rather than just one specific class.

Magden still has some utility

LiquidPony wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

Given a normal-ish current group comp of NB main tank, DK off tank, Templar healer, Warden healer ... what group utility does *any* DPS bring that's even close to comparing with Major Vulnerability?

Like, why bring a stamsorc, magsorc, stamDK, magDK, magplar, stamplar, stamblade, or magblade? No real point.

Magdens bring AoE Major Breach, Frost Cloak, Permafrost, and in the setup I posted, the Mystic Orb synergy.

All parses are irrelevant until Major Vulnerability ceases to exist *or* every other class gets some sort of huge group buff on their damage ulti.

Cuz not everyone is a perfectly coordinated leaderboard group? Even in my vSS farm group we fail to keep a good horn rotation much less 8 atros in sync. And even on my necro I sometimes use res ult because we're human not hodor and mistakes happen.

Besides other ults do have bonuses tied to them. Like Permafrost having major protection and being great in pvp. Not every class is going to be equally viable in top tier pve and the road to getting there is entropy soul trap destructive reach scalding rune... so lets quit while were ahead ay?

LiquidPony wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

Given a normal-ish current group comp of NB main tank, DK off tank, Templar healer, Warden healer ... what group utility does *any* DPS bring that's even close to comparing with Major Vulnerability?

Like, why bring a stamsorc, magsorc, stamDK, magDK, magplar, stamplar, stamblade, or magblade? No real point.

Magdens bring AoE Major Breach, Frost Cloak, Permafrost, and in the setup I posted, the Mystic Orb synergy.

All parses are irrelevant until Major Vulnerability ceases to exist *or* every other class gets some sort of huge group buff on their damage ulti.

Because this isn't the Walking Dead and people shouldn't be expected to be locked into one dps class only, that's just silly. But yes, that Major Vuln to one class was a big no no.

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

Given a normal-ish current group comp of NB main tank, DK off tank, Templar healer, Warden healer ... what group utility does *any* DPS bring that's even close to comparing with Major Vulnerability?

Like, why bring a stamsorc, magsorc, stamDK, magDK, magplar, stamplar, stamblade, or magblade? No real point.

Magdens bring AoE Major Breach, Frost Cloak, Permafrost, and in the setup I posted, the Mystic Orb synergy.

All parses are irrelevant until Major Vulnerability ceases to exist *or* every other class gets some sort of huge group buff on their damage ulti.

Because this isn't the Walking Dead and people shouldn't be expected to be locked into one dps class only, that's just silly. But yes, that Major Vuln to one class was a big no no.

Yeah maybe it should be changed to Major Berserk, that way its only a self buff.

I really like major vulnerability. I think it should keep it. But i think it could be nerfed. Such as only applying on the final tick and/or reducing 30% to 25%.

LiquidPony wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

worth rolling 1? compared to say sorc or magplar in current meta

First LOL
And to answer your question - support only.
Both sux as dps and solo.

Based on what?

Magnecro has the highest parses I've seen on magicka this patch and magden is actually doing pretty good.

The magden rotation still sucks, but all magicka rotations kind of suck this patch. I threw together a setup this morning and did a couple of quick tests ... I actually think a setup like this has the potential to get around ~95k with some CP optimization and practice:

Still shouldn't take magden anyway. It's group utility is horrible.

Given a normal-ish current group comp of NB main tank, DK off tank, Templar healer, Warden healer ... what group utility does *any* DPS bring that's even close to comparing with Major Vulnerability?

Like, why bring a stamsorc, magsorc, stamDK, magDK, magplar, stamplar, stamblade, or magblade? No real point.

Magdens bring AoE Major Breach, Frost Cloak, Permafrost, and in the setup I posted, the Mystic Orb synergy.

All parses are irrelevant until Major Vulnerability ceases to exist *or* every other class gets some sort of huge group buff on their damage ulti.

This. This is a Necromancer patch the way it stands. The debuff is too powerful and given that it can be used in sequence it creates a massive incentive to have a raid full of Necros.

The skeletal mage is better now than Sorcerer pets. It always sticks with you, so the mage can not be LOSed, unlike Sorcerer pets whom can not handle LOS at all. It only requires one bar, is immortal and is AoE even and it has good natural damage without the need loose potential by using daedric prey. I really like empowering grasp though.

And I like the skeletal mage now, but I absolutely despise pet sorcerer, as there is no point in doing it anymore. I was fine with pets taking 2 bars, but not anymore.

1 slot for your immortal mage, 1 for your immortal spirit mender and you have what the Sorcerer Twilight Matriarch used to be, just way better and less micromanaging and easier in all regards. Necromancer is not great by any means, but more appealing for a summoner like me and I have already began leveling one with my associate. Even though I absolutely despise necromancy with a passion. A decent role play background lets me survive everything however.

For pve, I think Necromancer is still not great. You are the Gorgoloch Bot and that is it.