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Thicclady
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ESO is been well known for having the worst ability to fix things or develop things in general (example : same mount models with recolor=boom new mount). We know it is because of lack of resources at ZoS:s end. Well now I have a solution for that. End updates on PS and XBOX. Offer those people free character transfer to PC (yes I know theres no mechanism now, heres how you do it: download all character data, and upload back on PC server character template). Sort the licence things out with Steam. The cost of that is miniscule compared to cost of upkeeping such big enviroment.
This will bring better game experience for 90% of population.
This will bring better game experience for 90% of population.
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CAB_LifeClass RepresentativeCrossplay would be the ideal solution, but the implementation could be a mess depending on how they structured the databases.Fitness/ Gaming/ Fantasy: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qoTV-kge_bU90i2lgkyvA4 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
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What do you mean, there aren’t many players on console? Our populations on console are very healthy (save, perhaps, for the EU PVP campaigns), and dare I say it, even slightly overcrowded. I actually waited a few weeks when Elsweyr dropped before playing in the zone, because having so many players crowded around quest-givers was off-putting.
ESO’s performance problems are either code- or server-related, not hardware-related. There are people out there with top of the line gaming rigs who STILL experience problems in Cyrodiil. If ZOS were to force me to purchase a top of the line $1000+ gaming rig to continue to have problems in Cyrodiil, I would simply stop playing this game.
Please don’t turn this into a platform argument; I don’t have any performance issues on any other games I play, including large scale PVP games like Battlefield. ZOS is responsible ESO’s performance problems, not my PS4.6 -
doomette✭✭✭✭✭
✭Then I’d lose the account I’ve been playing for years because after the genius movers the military uses for PCsing broke both my husband and my gaming computers, we decided not to deal with that every 3 years. Consoles turn out to be much hardier. Maybe don’t assume that getting a brand new gaming computer is feasible for all of us console plebs?4 -
Thicclady✭✭✭Crossplay would be the ideal solution, but the implementation could be a mess depending on how they structured the databases.
Yes it would but that will most propably not happen because of xbox and ps own networks and platform subs and licence issues multi continent and also plain old unfair advantage situation (on PC)0 -
Thicclady✭✭✭Then I’d lose the account I’ve been playing for years because after the genius movers the military uses for PCsing broke both my husband and my gaming computers, we decided not to deal with that every 3 years. Consoles turn out to be much hardier. Maybe don’t assume that getting a brand new gaming computer is feasible for all of us console plebs?
I understand it isnt feasible. But unfortunately sometimes have to unload the boat a bit to get it full blast ahead.0 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So 3/3 of the total playerbase on a platform that struggles to cope with 1/3?
Sounds like fun. One scenario where the hyperbolic 'unplayable' becomes literal.
Most of the trouble is capacity, so let's make it worse! Good thinking batman.4 -
doomette✭✭✭✭✭
✭Then I’d lose the account I’ve been playing for years because after the genius movers the military uses for PCsing broke both my husband and my gaming computers, we decided not to deal with that every 3 years. Consoles turn out to be much hardier. Maybe don’t assume that getting a brand new gaming computer is feasible for all of us console plebs?
I understand it isnt feasible. But unfortunately sometimes have to unload the boat a bit to get it full blast ahead.
Well, at least you’re honest with your selfishness and lack of consideration.
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Thicclady✭✭✭
What do you mean, there aren’t many players on console? Our populations on console are very healthy (save, perhaps, for the EU PVP campaigns), and dare I say it, even slightly overcrowded. I actually waited a few weeks when Elsweyr dropped before playing in the zone, because having so many players crowded around quest-givers was off-putting.
ESO’s performance problems are either code- or server-related, not hardware-related. There are people out there with top of the line gaming rigs who STILL experience problems in Cyrodiil. If ZOS were to force me to purchase a top of the line $1000+ gaming rig to continue to have problems in Cyrodiil, I would simply stop playing this game.
Please don’t turn this into a platform argument; I don’t have any performance issues on any other games I play, including large scale PVP games like Battlefield. ZOS is responsible ESO’s performance problems, not my PS4.
Yes performance issues are at ZoS:s end, and ditching ps/xbox they would have resources to upgrade those. But performance not even being the biggest point, but overall functionality (bugs takes months to correct if they get corrected at all) and most importantly development for future, like PC gives more possibility to good graphics when not having to consider that other platforms have identical.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
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What do you mean, there aren’t many players on console? Our populations on console are very healthy (save, perhaps, for the EU PVP campaigns), and dare I say it, even slightly overcrowded. I actually waited a few weeks when Elsweyr dropped before playing in the zone, because having so many players crowded around quest-givers was off-putting.
ESO’s performance problems are either code- or server-related, not hardware-related. There are people out there with top of the line gaming rigs who STILL experience problems in Cyrodiil. If ZOS were to force me to purchase a top of the line $1000+ gaming rig to continue to have problems in Cyrodiil, I would simply stop playing this game.
Please don’t turn this into a platform argument; I don’t have any performance issues on any other games I play, including large scale PVP games like Battlefield. ZOS is responsible ESO’s performance problems, not my PS4.
Yes performance issues are at ZoS:s end, and ditching ps/xbox they would have resources to upgrade those. But performance not even being the biggest point, but overall functionality (bugs takes months to correct if they get corrected at all) and most importantly development for future, like PC gives more possibility to good graphics when not having to consider that other platforms have identical.
A game that routinely sells digital houses for close on $200 and flashy mounts for $50+ does not have resources?
Sure thing, OP! ZOS, by their own admission, are “killing it” — so much so that they have the funds and resources to work on a brand new triple A game. https://wccftech.com/eso-boss-says-his-devs-have-been-killing-it-confirms-the-studio-is-working-on-a-new-game-with-a-new-engine/
Either you’re just an anti-console troll, or you don’t know what you’re talking about. “Ditching ps/xbox” will simply drive 2/3 of their playerbase away. Do you think that the developers of a game that loses a significant chunk of revenue after eliminating more than half of its playerbase works on...bug fixes afterward?12 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
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What do you mean, there aren’t many players on console? Our populations on console are very healthy (save, perhaps, for the EU PVP campaigns), and dare I say it, even slightly overcrowded. I actually waited a few weeks when Elsweyr dropped before playing in the zone, because having so many players crowded around quest-givers was off-putting.
ESO’s performance problems are either code- or server-related, not hardware-related. There are people out there with top of the line gaming rigs who STILL experience problems in Cyrodiil. If ZOS were to force me to purchase a top of the line $1000+ gaming rig to continue to have problems in Cyrodiil, I would simply stop playing this game.
Please don’t turn this into a platform argument; I don’t have any performance issues on any other games I play, including large scale PVP games like Battlefield. ZOS is responsible ESO’s performance problems, not my PS4.
Yes performance issues are at ZoS:s end, and ditching ps/xbox they would have resources to upgrade those. But performance not even being the biggest point, but overall functionality (bugs takes months to correct if they get corrected at all) and most importantly development for future, like PC gives more possibility to good graphics when not having to consider that other platforms have identical.
A game that routinely sells digital houses for close on $200 and flashy mounts for $50+ does not have resources? Sure thing, OP! ZOS, by their own admission, are “killing it” — so much so that they have the funds and resources to work on a brand new triple A game. https://wccftech.com/eso-boss-says-his-devs-have-been-killing-it-confirms-the-studio-is-working-on-a-new-game-with-a-new-engine/
Either you’re just an anti-console troll, or you don’t know what you’re talking about. “Ditching ps/xbox” will simply drive 2/3 of their playerbase away. Do you think that the developers of a game that loses a significant chunk of revenue after eliminating more than half of its playerbase works on...bug fixes afterward?
Since I can only give 1 point, have an honorary +1 agree, +1 awesome and +1 insightful.Edited by mairwen85 on July 27, 2019 12:33PM4 -
Xerikten✭✭✭✭the lesson to be learned is most companies who got onto the mmo bandwagon do not have the resources to have a in depth complicated game along with multi platforms. both suffers.
the shotgun multiplatform marketing approach only works short term without enough resources.1 -
FR0STDEE✭✭✭✭Or How about we *** off pc updates and transfer everything to console..............dumb ass.9 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the lesson to be learned is most companies who got onto the mmo bandwagon do not have the resources to have a in depth complicated game along with multi platforms. both suffers.
the shotgun multiplatform marketing approach only works short term without enough resources.
Final Fantasy XIV is extremely well-optimized, and apparently runs very well on console at up to 60 FPS (something ESO players on console can only dream about). I can’t see Square Enix having more resources than the parent company of Bethesda, so...4 -
snarkomatic✭✭✭✭the lesson to be learned is most companies who got onto the mmo bandwagon do not have the resources to have a in depth complicated game along with multi platforms. both suffers.
the shotgun multiplatform marketing approach only works short term without enough resources.
Final Fantasy XIV is extremely well-optimized, and apparently runs very well on console at up to 60 FPS (something ESO players on console can only dream about). I can’t see Square Enix having more resources than the parent company of Bethesda, so...
Can confirm. That game runs beautifully on PS4. It puts ZoS to shame tbh. Eliminates all chance of blaming console for their failings.1 -
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✭✭✭1) According to ZoS, active player populations are about evenly divided across all platforms. For every PC/Mac player, there are two console players. So that throws the argument that console is a sideshow out the window.
2) Zenimax Media had an estimated valuation of US$2.5 Billion in 2016 and a workforce of more than 1,500 employees in 2017 across all studios. ZoS has been on a hiring spree for more than a year now, so it's reasonable to assume both those figures are significantly higher. That throws the 'not enough resources' argument out the window as well.
3) Sony and Microsoft will release next generation consoles next year, both of which will be competitive with the performance of high-end desktop appliances, so that throws the 'console sucks' argument out the window.
That's quite a pile of bullcrap outside the window.
Considering how simple it is for one to obtain simple facts in the age of the internet, it is amazing that threads such as this ever get started.10 -
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✭✭✭How would the OP feel if the shoe was on the other foot?
Quite right.
While Sony and Microsoft sell millions of consoles, desktop sales continue to outpace both major console makers combined (another of those easy to find facts), so any savvy video game publisher would be wise to embrace all three... plus Google's Stadia project as well.0 -
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✭✭I'm 99% certain OP is just trolling. If this is a serious suggestion, it's one of the dumbest I've ever heard.5 -
Thicclady✭✭✭
Yea I know, but its not like video games are human rights or something like that..oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »I'm 99% certain OP is just trolling. If this is a serious suggestion, it's one of the dumbest I've ever heard.
I like the game myself a lot so I wish it best success (PC version), fact is that MMO:s and consoles don't mix very well, althought ZoS have pulled it off decently.
Pissed of course. But it dont make sense to uphold this massive system.How would the OP feel if the shoe was on the other foot?
Besides computers are really cheap nowadays and you can do other things also with them
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea I know, but its not like video games are human rights or something like that..oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »I'm 99% certain OP is just trolling. If this is a serious suggestion, it's one of the dumbest I've ever heard.
I like the game myself a lot so I wish it best success (PC version), fact is that MMO:s and consoles don't mix very well, althought ZoS have pulled it off decently.
Pissed of course. But it dont make sense to uphold this massive system.How would the OP feel if the shoe was on the other foot?
Besides computers are really cheap nowadays and you can do other things also with them
Gaming computers are not “really cheap”, and the average consumer does not have the knowhow to build a cheaper gaming PC from scratch. Also, more people are moving to doing everything on their phones; I know I certainly haven’t touched my laptop in months, so your “you can do other things” on PC thing is a moot point for many. The fact that you only care about the game’s success on PC is selfish. Other MMOs run extremely well on console (see: FFXIV). There are also new console generations just around the corner that will perform better than the current generation, and likely at a fraction of the cost of a new gaming PC.
Anyway, it’s not like ZOS would ever take a thread like this seriously, so I don’t know why I’m even bothering to respond.7 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Eye roll button...eye roll button...
...desperately looking for the eye roll button...6 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Eye roll button...eye roll button...
...desperately looking for the eye roll button...1 -
snarkomatic✭✭✭✭
Yea I know, but its not like video games are human rights or something like that..oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »I'm 99% certain OP is just trolling. If this is a serious suggestion, it's one of the dumbest I've ever heard.
I like the game myself a lot so I wish it best success (PC version), fact is that MMO:s and consoles don't mix very well, althought ZoS have pulled it off decently.
Pissed of course. But it dont make sense to uphold this massive system.How would the OP feel if the shoe was on the other foot?
Besides computers are really cheap nowadays and you can do other things also with them
Explain FFXIV's continued cross-platform success, then. Tell me why it's doing so friggin well right now on the market if "MMOs and consoles don't mix".
And then explain to me in what universe $800-$1000 in parts (to have a knowledgeable friend build it) is "really cheap" for a gaming PC. (And don't tell me I can get a $200 desktop at Best Buy, because I can guarantee that thing won't run modern AAA games nearly as well as the PS4.)
And then explain to me why this very high-dollar investment would be worth it to play a game that has equally awful performance across all its platforms? Especially considering most other games I play are on PS4, and my semi-ancient MacBook is still perfectly fine for any other typing/computing needs in my life at present.
Honestly, I don't mean to sound rude, but it's a little insulting to hear about how "cheap" this luxury item is from people with the means (or people with family with the means) to throw money at not only building a high-end rig, but repeatedly upgrading it and replacing parts every couple years as they become obsolete -- compared to the $400 console I bought ~4yrs ago that has not required a parts maintenance/replacement/upgrade even once.2
