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One hand and shield weapon changes are ridiculous
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Ivan04✭✭✭✭More importantly, people really look at SnB in CP PvP, and that's just an incorrect approach to things.
It is quite weak in nocp, just look at bg setups - 1/4 are sorcs, 1/4 are stamblades, you'd be lucky to find one guy with snb2 -
Vortigaunt✭✭✭@frostz417 they weren't
Yes they were, just because you play a stamdk tank with no damage doesn’t mean they weren’t, Ivan.0 -
Eraldus✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »
TIL using a playstyle I enjoy as my main playstyle is wrong. Yay! Screw playstyle diversty!
After reading your posts, there's no way you're not trolling... Of course SnB is a playstyle with emphasis on tanking, but that doesn't means it should deal *** damage and tanks should just draw aggro and get lynched. This is just ridiculous and nonsensical statement and it baffles me people are advocating for this nonsense, especially on a game that its all about letting the player "play the way they want".
You must be playing a very crappy build, if you think SnB was dealing so much damage as you're saying... I'm a SnB myself, and while I can kill stuff at a reasonable speed, I run into a lot of 2h, dualwield and bow users and I can notice they easily outdamaging me and killing way faster than my character, even thought I have pretty good gear on me. SnB might had needed a small nerf, but not a nerf THIS extreme. Reducing the damage on the whole Low Slash skill line, for example, is just bizarre... They should've just nerfed the damage for the AOE morph and only reduced the damage on the main skill a bit. The changes on Power Slam are good, but not everybody enjoys having to jam their shield on their enemies's face all the time.
Here's hoping they will adjust those nerfs to be less extreme by the end of PTS and realize not everybody cares for PVP and that those nerfs will only hurt solo players, since SnB is already a slow playstyle for solo players that enjoys using SnB like myself, or else I'll just stop playing until the devs realize how insane they are with those nerfs.Edited by Eraldus on July 8, 2019 9:39PM2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Reducing the damage on the whole Low Slash skill line, for example, is just bizarre...
this is falas, they only reduced the damage on the base morph and heroic slash. they BUFFED the damage on deep slash, by a lot.They should've just nerfed the damage for the AOE morph and only reduced the damage on the main skill a bit.
the aoe morph is now as good as steel tornado. go look at it.1 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭Vortigaunt wrote: »@frostz417 they weren't
Yes they were, just because you play a stamdk tank with no damage doesn’t mean they weren’t, Ivan.
Great logic, nice arguments1 -
Eraldus✭✭✭✭I can't wait to see all those SnB characters spamming Power Bash all over the place...
"DIVERSITY!"Edited by Eraldus on July 8, 2019 11:59PM1 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭Another problem is gutting sword and shield bash mechanic because of stamnecro. I don't believe a great majority of people complained about normal snb bash overperforming, and now it hits for five times less than it used to, and we're not even given an explanation as to why that happened. I guess because the devs wanted to enable mag bashing, which is a little nonsensical and counterproductive as well.1
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Ivan04✭✭✭✭Someone shared with me that some changes on SnB 5.1.0 will be rolled back this monday, but I kinda doubt this person.0
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xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The changes to SnB are very welcome for PvE tanking.
If you're going to argue that SnB should be a DPS weapon in PvP, then by that logic so should Resto Staff.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP metas0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Here's another important think - removing defile from Reverberation Bash is simply going to oush the tank meta even more, which is extremely ridiculous right now. BGs are basically going to become as bad as CP BGs once were. It's the same way as it was in Wolfhunter - back then it felt like Battle Spirit went up from 50% to 75%, not even kidding.
People are allowed to be tanks. So long as they are fine with doing little damage. At least this patch is cutting out a lot of damage for turtle tanks
In regards to fury and 7th, I think they are far mor relaible in pts than on live. 7th is giving health recovery which is big deal, and fury will have higher uptime next patch since it no longer requires crit dmg , instead any dmg. .0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭More importantly, people really look at SnB in CP PvP, and that's just an incorrect approach to things.
It is quite weak in nocp, just look at bg setups - 1/4 are sorcs, 1/4 are stamblades, you'd be lucky to find one guy with snb
Boy o boy, I play stam sorc in BG, tried using daulweld, bow, 2h but kill count was low in campare to when I switch to snb meta, and not even using heavy armor, full medium and I don't die as much. Feel like carry, but I take as it is since stam sorc don't have a spammable to skills and only instant great spammable skills availble to sorc are puncture and heroic in campare to dizzy and flurry or crushing weapon. Maybe silver shard will make daul weld good next patch, but for now, I stay snb.0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »
TIL using a playstyle I enjoy as my main playstyle is wrong. Yay! Screw playstyle diversty!
After reading your posts, there's no way you're not trolling... Of course SnB is a playstyle with emphasis on tanking, but that doesn't means it should deal *** damage and tanks should just draw aggro and get lynched. This is just ridiculous and nonsensical statement and it baffles me people are advocating for this nonsense, especially on a game that its all about letting the player "play the way they want".
You must be playing a very crappy build, if you think SnB was dealing so much damage as you're saying... I'm a SnB myself, and while I can kill stuff at a reasonable speed, I run into a lot of 2h, dualwield and bow users and I can notice they easily outdamaging me and killing way faster than my character, even thought I have pretty good gear on me. SnB might had needed a small nerf, but not a nerf THIS extreme. Reducing the damage on the whole Low Slash skill line, for example, is just bizarre... They should've just nerfed the damage for the AOE morph and only reduced the damage on the main skill a bit. The changes on Power Slam are good, but not everybody enjoys having to jam their shield on their enemies's face all the time.
Here's hoping they will adjust those nerfs to be less extreme by the end of PTS and realize not everybody cares for PVP and that those nerfs will only hurt solo players, since SnB is already a slow playstyle for solo players that enjoys using SnB like myself, or else I'll just stop playing until the devs realize how insane they are with those nerfs.
Snb is not a slow play style, I kill people in less than 4 secs, how is that slow. I used to spend longer time to kill a warden, because the have major mending. Now I use my combo gombo and I kill them fast or make them suffer defile till they die. Light/heavy attack, puncture, light attack, reverb, swap to 2h use onslought, light attack and excuate if needed. Most people die in the onslought part, if not, just spam excuationer till they die. Next patch excuationer will do 50% more dmg than on live currently0 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.PC EU1 -
NinchiTV✭✭✭✭✭Major frac with minor protec for 15 secs at 1k stam? thats *** amazin. Will probably swap my poison inject for this, almost a no brainer if your a stamsorc.4 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭@NinchiTV except it does *** damage nowAbhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I gotta say, homogenizing the game and turning SnB into a pure debuff skill line with extremely conditional (and still tiny) damage is wrong.
The only thing wrong here is your opinion.
SnB is a defensive line intended for support and protection. Not both that & insane damage.
You wanna live longer? Cool, give me your damage.
This is how it works in almost every game.
And if you wanna roleplay some spartan fighter or whatever other stupid argument you can pull out of your backside, pick a different game.
I'm sick and tired of brainless stam builds that meta their SnB spec. It's boring, bland, slow, unimaginative, and extremely annoying.Edited by Nyladreas on July 27, 2019 8:12AM3 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.3 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
Cry more4 -
Vermethys✭✭✭✭I enjoy playing with S&B on all my Stamina characters, and honestly I think we can adapt just fine without dropping S&B next patch. For DK and Sorc, which currently rely on Heroic Slash or Ransack as spammables, you can replace them next patch with either Deep Slash (I don't believe this morph got nerfed), Silver Shards (getting cheaper, more damage, and has a lot of range), or Power Slam (which is getting cheaper and would deal twice as much damage). If you use Power Slam as a spammable, you can run Shield Charge as your stun -- otherwise you can still run Reverberating Bash (which is getting some delayed damage like Fossilize) as your primary stun, and one of the other abilities as a spammable.
As for losing pressure through Major Defile, you can still deal nice damage through Bash weaving and you can run a Disease glyph for a chance at Major Defile... and there are some sets that give you that debuff (both Minor and Major)
Edited by Vermethys on July 27, 2019 10:44AMPC EU CP1400+
In-game Username: Vermilion98
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).PC EU0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).
Lmfao, you're telling me that my friend who does 80k dps by using a built in macro into his gaming mouse + Autohotkey app, all while watching TV and eating chips is like 0 advantage, and unsuable clunkiness? Get outta here lmfao.Edited by Nyladreas on July 27, 2019 11:43AM3 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).
Lmfao, you're telling me that my friend who does 80k dps by using a built in macro into his gaming mouse + Autohotkey app, all while watching TV and eating chips is like 0 advantage, and unsuable clunkiness? Get outta here lmfao.
Tell him to go do that on a player and see what happens, clever clogs.PC EU2 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).
Lmfao, you're telling me that my friend who does 80k dps by using a built in macro into his gaming mouse + Autohotkey app, all while watching TV and eating chips is like 0 advantage, and unsuable clunkiness? Get outta here lmfao.
Tell him to go do that on a player and see what happens, clever clogs.
I hope you understand how highly customisable and efficient Auto Hotkey (and many others) is if you program it correctly and how well you can combine certain actions together (From complicated burst combos to simple LA+Skill Use+Bash) into one single button ANYWHERE on your keyboard or mouse.
The problem here is that advanced apps that help you make amazing macros usually require at least basic programming knowledge, so it's something majority of players refuse to do/learn.
Also, it could actually see way more uses in PvP than PVE, at least from my perspective. I feel like you have no idea what ACTUALLY GOOD macros can accomplish in this game when given proper attention, testing and laser precision.
Edited by Nyladreas on July 27, 2019 12:59PM1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »What is a macro? Is it an cheat add on?
It can be. Doesn't mean it always is.0 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).
Lmfao, you're telling me that my friend who does 80k dps by using a built in macro into his gaming mouse + Autohotkey app, all while watching TV and eating chips is like 0 advantage, and unsuable clunkiness? Get outta here lmfao.
Tell him to go do that on a player and see what happens, clever clogs.
I hope you understand how highly customisable and efficient Auto Hotkey (and many others) is if you program it correctly and how well you can combine certain actions together (From complicated burst combos to simple LA+Skill Use+Bash) into one single button ANYWHERE on your keyboard or mouse.
The problem here is that advanced apps that help you make amazing macros usually require at least basic programming knowledge, so it's something majority of players refuse to do/learn.
Also, it could actually see way more uses in PvP than PVE, at least from my perspective. I feel like you have no idea what ACTUALLY GOOD macros can accomplish in this game when given proper attention, testing and laser precision.
You can do it yourself as fast as a macro whilst still having the freedom of not over-committing and staying in full control. Trust me, I have an idea. I've been accused of macros many times.
Do YOU think the best PvP'rs and duel tournament winners use macros? (they don't btw)
This is when I started animation cancelling, 31 Oct 2015, as soon as I saw this video.
https://youtu.be/LyhLv6CHikQ PC EU1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).
Lmfao, you're telling me that my friend who does 80k dps by using a built in macro into his gaming mouse + Autohotkey app, all while watching TV and eating chips is like 0 advantage, and unsuable clunkiness? Get outta here lmfao.
Tell him to go do that on a player and see what happens, clever clogs.
I hope you understand how highly customisable and efficient Auto Hotkey (and many others) is if you program it correctly and how well you can combine certain actions together (From complicated burst combos to simple LA+Skill Use+Bash) into one single button ANYWHERE on your keyboard or mouse.
The problem here is that advanced apps that help you make amazing macros usually require at least basic programming knowledge, so it's something majority of players refuse to do/learn.
Also, it could actually see way more uses in PvP than PVE, at least from my perspective. I feel like you have no idea what ACTUALLY GOOD macros can accomplish in this game when given proper attention, testing and laser precision.
You can do it yourself as fast as a macro whilst still having the freedom of not over-committing and staying in full control. Trust me, I have an idea. I've been accused of macros many times.
Do YOU think the best PvP'rs and duel tournament winners use macros? (they don't btw)
This is when I started animation cancelling, 31 Oct 2015, as soon as I saw this video.
And you can get headshots in first person shooters without an aimbot.
I guess that means no-one uses aimbots.1 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Dumbing it down, I know why but simplifying combat is bad for the game in the long run, players lose interest if it all comes down to just gear.
I don't mind the damage nerf at all. Stripping away Maim, Defile, snare and the ability to weave light attack, skill, bash is ridiculous considering the nerfs to the heavy armour sets. No utility, no damage. I think 1 out of my 10 characters will still have some use from the Sword and Shield skill line.
Personally, i am sick and tired of macro monkeys doing the bolded above over and over like clockwork while jumping backwards on rocks. And dont give me the "you can do it manually" crap. Its braindead easy to make a macro for it, and we all know if there is some way to exploit in an online game, people *will* exploit it.
What you mean is you're sick and tired of chasing smallscalers around rocks. You could just, not?
In regards to using macros. I've met hundreds of PvP'rs in ESO. I only know of one guy (who doesn't play anymore) who tried it and he said it was clunky af and would get you stuck in some really bad situations. He turned them off, there is absolutely no reason to use macros outside of crafting or similar (lazywrit etc).
Lmfao, you're telling me that my friend who does 80k dps by using a built in macro into his gaming mouse + Autohotkey app, all while watching TV and eating chips is like 0 advantage, and unsuable clunkiness? Get outta here lmfao.
Tell him to go do that on a player and see what happens, clever clogs.
I hope you understand how highly customisable and efficient Auto Hotkey (and many others) is if you program it correctly and how well you can combine certain actions together (From complicated burst combos to simple LA+Skill Use+Bash) into one single button ANYWHERE on your keyboard or mouse.
The problem here is that advanced apps that help you make amazing macros usually require at least basic programming knowledge, so it's something majority of players refuse to do/learn.
Also, it could actually see way more uses in PvP than PVE, at least from my perspective. I feel like you have no idea what ACTUALLY GOOD macros can accomplish in this game when given proper attention, testing and laser precision.
You can do it yourself as fast as a macro whilst still having the freedom of not over-committing and staying in full control. Trust me, I have an idea. I've been accused of macros many times.
Do YOU think the best PvP'rs and duel tournament winners use macros? (they don't btw)
This is when I started animation cancelling, 31 Oct 2015, as soon as I saw this video.
And you can get headshots in first person shooters without an aimbot.
I guess that means no-one uses aimbots.
Do aimbots disadvantage you?PC EU0 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭The only thing wrong here is your opinion.
No, your opinion is wrong.
How about that for a response
ESO was never about being like other MMOs. In it's core it was supposed to attract all single player TES games fans. To do that, it had to be realistic. And it is throughly unrealistic to be unable to do serious damage with sword and board. Just look at medieval history and you'll se for yourself.
We don't want to be locked into one class that can just use SNB and be a tank - leave that to other MMOs. The Elder Scrolls was always about freedom of choise, and more about reliasm that all sorts of conditionalities (as opposed to the majority of other rpgs).
So it'd only be fair if a physically strong person would be able to actually defeat his opponents with SnB rather than help them pick their teeth.
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