Thanks for ruining PvP even more than it already was, ZOS

Carbonised · July 2019

Gee, @ZOS_BrianWheeler , thanks for adding even more tools for one faction to completely dominate and troll the entire campaign. You know what's not fun at all? Being 10 reds trying to defend keep after keep against 25 blues, buffed by every scroll bonus and including the Emp and Hammer both. It was bad enough when one faction with Emp would completely dominate a campaign, pushing every other faction to their gates and aggressively keep the entire map a single color. Now they also have the easy help of the Volendrung hammer to make that task even easier. Btw, blues also apparently exploited the hammer by logging off/on and thereby resetting it, I guess you're not gonna do anything about that either? With faction lock I had looked forward to more fair PvP, and with the addition of the hammer, and being exploited by one faction to keep it forever along with Emp, I'm not gonna do any more PvP until this shite is fixed.
Oh, and just for fun information, outer wall on Arrius fell in like 10 secs after it being sieged by Emp and Hammer. How fun!

TequilaFire · July 2019

Those reds that took Black Boot surely helped!

Carbonised · July 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Those reds that took Black Boot surely helped!

You can't really blame people for trying to do quests or get AP somewhere far from the action, when the action mostly consists of blue Emp and blue Hammer steamrolling over every other keep with next to no resistance.

Daedric_NB_187 · July 2019

Working as intended lol

I agree OP. This *** sucks. PvP just gets worse and worse with each update. Oh yeah. Even though you are PC EU. Our map on Xbox NA is exactly the same as yours. Blues and all. So I feel your pain.

Carbonised · July 2019

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Working as intended lol

I agree OP. This *** sucks. PvP just gets worse and worse with each update. Oh yeah. Even though you are PC EU. Our map on Xbox NA is exactly the same as yours. Blues and all. So I feel your pain.

Hammer is a cheap and badly thought through addition to PvP. Had the team any functioning brain, they would have implemented safeguards, so that Hammer could only be used by a side that did NOT have emp, or by the factions NOT leading the campaign.

But no, Hammer was implemented in a shoddy and braindead way usable by everyone, so OF COURSE the leading faction is going to monopolize that hammer constantly, adding it to all the other arsenals they have on their side, like keep bonuses, scroll bonuses and emp. Cause who doesn't like a lopsided, one-sided campaign, right?

The fact that the blue faction is apparently exploiting the hammer to keep it indefinitely sure as heck isn't helping either. Why hasn't a huge exploit like this already been fixed, @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?

Skwor · July 2019

Carbonised wrote: »

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Working as intended lol

I agree OP. This *** sucks. PvP just gets worse and worse with each update. Oh yeah. Even though you are PC EU. Our map on Xbox NA is exactly the same as yours. Blues and all. So I feel your pain.

Hammer is a cheap and badly thought through addition to PvP. Had the team any functioning brain, they would have implemented safeguards, so that Hammer could only be used by a side that did NOT have emp, or by the factions NOT leading the campaign.

But no, Hammer was implemented in a shoddy and braindead way usable by everyone, so OF COURSE the leading faction is going to monopolize that hammer constantly, adding it to all the other arsenals they have on their side, like keep bonuses, scroll bonuses and emp. Cause who doesn't like a lopsided, one-sided campaign, right?

The fact that the blue faction is apparently exploiting the hammer to keep it indefinitely sure as heck isn't helping either. Why hasn't a huge exploit like this already been fixed, @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?

LMAO this was predicted by many when annouced and before implemented. I myself did so with a sarcastic post before all these changes.

Shantu · July 2019

At it's best, PVP is awesome maybe 10% of the time. The other 90% is just frustrating, unrewarding, and not worth the effort.

Carbonised · July 2019

Shantu wrote: »

At it's best, PVP is awesome maybe 10% of the time. The other 90% is just frustrating, unrewarding, and not worth the effort.

ZOS could easily make it more fun, by distributing power tools among the underdogs of a campaign, instead of adding more and more power tools like the Hammer, which are simply stacked on top of one another on one side. Remove Hammer and Emp bonuses and PvP is twice as awesome as it currently is. Or at least ZOS can stop adding friggin more and more OP tools to PvP, simply being stacked on the winning side for a completely one-sided campaign.

Trapasaurus_Rex · July 2019

Hammer needs to be removed from the game, it is a cool concept, however it does not work properly. It is unneeded fluff that was added to the game to make it seem like they are doing something for PvP.

WreckfulAbandon · July 2019

Hammer, emp bonus stats, and imperial physique bonus stats all should be removed imo.

Carbonised · July 2019

Trapasaurus_Rex wrote: »

Hammer needs to be removed from the game, it is a cool concept, however it does not work properly. It is unneeded fluff that was added to the game to make it seem like they are doing something for PvP.

I completely agree. It's clear it was added just for the lulz to satisfy the PvP crowd who complains about never getting any attention.
But I've been PvP'ing on the side for years now, and this hammer and the way it's implemented is the most un-fun thing ever added to PvP. And no one asked for it, no one wanted it. And now it's here, everyone wants it gone again.

Donny_Vito · July 2019

Thank you ZoS for causing world hunger, too. Let's blame them for everything, not the people who are abusing the situation.

InvictusApollo · July 2019

Carbonised wrote: »

With faction lock I had looked forward to more fair PvP

Ha ha ha ha. Really?! You thought that faction lock will make PvP more fair? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Either you haven't played ESO since its beginning or you have a really short memory. The domination of a single faction in a campaign is exactly what was happening all the time in Cyrodill back in the days when we had faction lock. I've been warning about consequences of faction locks and especially the scenario you described. But did anyone listen? No.
Enjoy your faction lock.

peoplething · July 2019

Shantu wrote: »

At it's best, PVP is awesome maybe 10% of the time. The other 90% is just frustrating, unrewarding, and not worth the effort.

for me awesome goes up to around 70% when I'm under the influence of something.

therift · July 2019

I agree that the Hammer needs adjustment, but I don't think it should be removed before trying adjustments... such as denying use to the faction that has Emp. If adjustments don't help, then yes, remove.

On the other hand...

GO TEAM BLUE SMASH RED!

redlink1979 · July 2019

I just wonder if your opinion would change if you were on the winning side...

Trapasaurus_Rex · July 2019

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Thank you ZoS for causing world hunger, too. Let's blame them for everything, not the people who are abusing the situation.

You can expect people to exploit game mechanics to win. You can not blame people for using game mechanics to win at all costs. so therefore you have to blame the people whom put those mechanics in the game.

ScruffyWhiskers · July 2019

Honestly, the hammer should just explode for 100k damage in a 30 meter aoe after its original owner dies.

therift · July 2019

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Honestly, the hammer should just explode for 100k damage in a 30 meter aoe after its original owner dies.

Uncle Sheo approves

ScruffyWhiskers · July 2019

Also it's probably best if it do 100k to everybody and then disappear. Should have stated that as well.

jcm2606 · July 2019

I cannot fathom how Zenimax thought it was a good idea to let an emp faction wield the hammer, when the hammer is meant to balance fighting against an emp faction.

Defilted · July 2019

Instead of removing the hammer just change it so no one in the current emp faction can pick it up. They can farm the people trying to get it and use but not use it themselves.

therift · July 2019

Defilted wrote: »

Instead of removing the hammer just change it so no one in the current emp faction can pick it up. They can farm the people trying to get it and use but not use it themselves.

Much like the scroll mechanic that prohibits a faction from capturing a scroll if they do not have their own scroll secured.

BigBragg · July 2019

Yeah, I'm still not really a fan of the hammer. Doesn't matter which side of it I am on.

Cool experiment ZOS. Glad you are willing to try something this new. Just don't think you got there with it.

peoplething · July 2019

jcm2606 wrote: »

I cannot fathom how Zenimax thought it was a good idea to let an emp faction wield the hammer, when the hammer is meant to balance fighting against an emp faction.

it's because the closest thing to QC zos does is on the PTS, and nobody on the PTS that got volendump tried to emp with it.

yes, the community IS the QC.

and then most of the time Zos doesn't listen any way.

Let That Sink In.

Tan9oSuccka · July 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Those reds that took Black Boot surely helped!

The “small scale” guys. Super helpful as always.

nafensoriel · July 2019

Any real reason why PC/EU seems to stack guilds on blue but PC/NA has a decent spread of guilds?

I hate to say it.. but if it's just a pack of people jumping on the home team to win... No sympathy.

oxygen_thief · July 2019

BigBragg wrote: »

Cool experiment ZOS. Glad you are willing to try something this new. Just don't think you got there with it.

its not an experiment they are just stupid. there was an axe in death match and there were many requests from players to remove it. it was removed and what did they do after? they added a hammer to cyro.

BigBragg · July 2019

oxygen_thief wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Cool experiment ZOS. Glad you are willing to try something this new. Just don't think you got there with it.

its not an experiment they are just stupid. there was an axe in death match and there were many requests from players to remove it. it was removed and what did they do after? they added a hammer to cyro.

name checks out

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2019

Shantu wrote: »

At it's best, PVP is awesome maybe 10% of the time. The other 90% is just frustrating, unrewarding, and not worth the effort.

And that's the biggest problem. The 10% is absolutely great. Part of me wished PVP was just bad 100% of the time since launch so I wouldnt give a crap about it.

I have not been PVPing a lot lately. Been a little immersed in the new trial, and the performance makes it almost unplayable in my mind. That said, based on my limited sample size, it typically goes something like this:

Every time that stupid hammer is about to spawn, I always look at the map and think, where would be the most laughably idiotic place for this thing to spawn from a balance standpoint in this particular moment, and sure enough, it seems it's ALWAYS right where I expect it to be.

Van_Winkle · July 2019

But we have skill lines for crowns! Yay!