Let's talk Stam Sorc

LiquidPony · July 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Lack of offensive class identity is actually part of stamsorc's identity.

Maybe you're being sarcastic but this is actually what I *like* about playing a stamsorc (in PvE).

Most other classes (at least until this patch) were locked into a lot of things. Gotta slot this skill for this passive, this skill is too strong to skip, etc. I've always enjoyed the fact that on a stamsorc I can use whatever weapons I want and get weird with my skill setups without sacrificing anything. Stamsorc is always the first build I start testing on in a new patch because it's like a blank slate.

I understand that some people don't like it though.

katorga · July 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Lack of offensive class identity is actually part of stamsorc's identity.

Maybe you're being sarcastic but this is actually what I *like* about playing a stamsorc (in PvE).

Most other classes (at least until this patch) were locked into a lot of things. Gotta slot this skill for this passive, this skill is too strong to skip, etc. I've always enjoyed the fact that on a stamsorc I can use whatever weapons I want and get weird with my skill setups without sacrificing anything. Stamsorc is always the first build I start testing on in a new patch because it's like a blank slate.

I understand that some people don't like it though.

We are all stamsorc's now. Everyone will be loading up on non-class skills next patch with the buffs non-class skill lines.

akray21 · July 2019

katorga wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Lack of offensive class identity is actually part of stamsorc's identity.

Maybe you're being sarcastic but this is actually what I *like* about playing a stamsorc (in PvE).

Most other classes (at least until this patch) were locked into a lot of things. Gotta slot this skill for this passive, this skill is too strong to skip, etc. I've always enjoyed the fact that on a stamsorc I can use whatever weapons I want and get weird with my skill setups without sacrificing anything. Stamsorc is always the first build I start testing on in a new patch because it's like a blank slate.

I understand that some people don't like it though.

We are all stamsorc's now. Everyone will be loading up on non-class skills next patch with the buffs non-class skill lines.

Our unique lack of identity is no longer unique.

WikiMeister · July 2019

Stamsorc resource economy and damage is honestly off the charts at the moment. This is my tooltip for Silver Shards, with Major Brutality active only. People must be joking if they say 'Stamsorc needs love' right now because this is nothing to be laughing at. 1.9k stamina expenditure for almost 13k tooltip, for a ranged, splitfire, spammable attack? You cannot be serious.

akray21 · July 2019

WikiMeister wrote: »

Stamsorc resource economy and damage is honestly off the charts at the moment. This is my tooltip for Silver Shards, with Major Brutality active only. People must be joking if they say 'Stamsorc needs love' right now because this is nothing to be laughing at. 1.9k stamina expenditure for almost 13k tooltip, for a ranged, splitfire, spammable attack? You cannot be serious.

No one is saying that stamsorc is underperforming too badly dps wise, they are arguing for in class tools. It's looking like meta builds for stamsorc only have the passive bound armaments on the bar and no active class skills. It's bland as #$@%.

Defilted · July 2019

Couple things.. This all PVP perspective.

I dont see an issue with steak's current form as I run 20k magika. I can darkdeal and streak whenever I need to most of the time. The changes to streak if they make through are all positive IMO.

Few commented that streak is not that great because of cost. You cant run 10K magika if you want to utilize sorc abilties outside of DD and Hurricane.

I dont want to see a stam atro... Boring.. No stam pets.. Boring.. Please no to all of this. Stam overload? This I would like to at least test.. What if Mages wrath scalled off higest stat and weapon or spell damage?

My stam sorc is in a great place right now and with the current list of changes to 2H and streak it is about to get better.

Hurricane is the stam sorc identity. Is the skill what is was? No, but it is still a fun skill to use.

Abhaya · July 2019

WikiMeister wrote: »

Stamsorc resource economy and damage is honestly off the charts at the moment. This is my tooltip for Silver Shards, with Major Brutality active only. People must be joking if they say 'Stamsorc needs love' right now because this is nothing to be laughing at. 1.9k stamina expenditure for almost 13k tooltip, for a ranged, splitfire, spammable attack? You cannot be serious.

Too bad it has the worst animation in the game : /

akray21 · July 2019

Defilted wrote: »

Couple things.. This all PVP perspective.

I dont see an issue with steak's current form as I run 20k magika. I can darkdeal and streak whenever I need to most of the time. The changes to streak if they make through are all positive IMO.

Few commented that streak is not that great because of cost. You cant run 10K magika if you want to utilize sorc abilties outside of DD and Hurricane.

I dont want to see a stam atro... Boring.. No stam pets.. Boring.. Please no to all of this. Stam overload? This I would like to at least test.. What if Mages wrath scalled off higest stat and weapon or spell damage?

My stam sorc is in a great place right now and with the current list of changes to 2H and streak it is about to get better.

Hurricane is the stam sorc identity. Is the skill what is was? No, but it is still a fun skill to use.

With the PvP meta shifting to medium armour and the change to "Evasion" (the addition of major expedition upon taking AoE damage) good luck hitting people with dizzy while you are giving them major expedition every time you hit them with hurricane.

universal_wrath · July 2019

WikiMeister wrote: »

Stamsorc resource economy and damage is honestly off the charts at the moment. This is my tooltip for Silver Shards, with Major Brutality active only. People must be joking if they say 'Stamsorc needs love' right now because this is nothing to be laughing at. 1.9k stamina expenditure for almost 13k tooltip, for a ranged, splitfire, spammable attack? You cannot be serious.

You do know that this skill is not stam sorc exvlusive, right? Other classes can use same skill and get higher number than 13k easily, if not, they can crit more. Stam warden with minor berserk using same set up as stam sorc can get this skill to 15k. Templar will get a higher tooltip for their 6%weapon dmg in campirson to stam sorc 5%physical; moreover, using same skill both templar and nightblades can crit foe more dmg than sorc and all of the mentioned classes have a better sustain than stam sorc.

See the problem here? Jack of all trades,master of non.this is basically stam sorc but nerfed as it does not get anything better than any other class with same roles ans set up.

Lyar09 · July 2019

So just bringing this thread back because I’m honestly getting sick of the lack of attention towards Stamsorc. Pretty much every class has had a skill altered, whether good or bad, this year EXECPT for Stamsorc. I understand that some changes have been made that could help with utilization but still nothing unique to Stamsorc. When’s the love coming ZOS? It’s been long enough.

liningtonsweldingb16_ESO · July 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

So just bringing this thread back because I’m honestly getting sick of the lack of attention towards Stamsorc. Pretty much every class has had a skill altered, whether good or bad, this year EXECPT for Stamsorc. I understand that some changes have been made that couple help with utilization but still nothing unique to Stamsorc. When’s the love coming ZOS? It’s been long enough.[/quote

Agreed it’s time to give us a stamina curse and a physical damage version of overload

MincVinyl · July 2019

From a 5 year PvP Dizzy StamSorc

Inclass, stamsorc only really has 4 active abilities widely used,
2 of which are mag(use mag crit cp, elfborn): CritSurge, DarkDeal {PTS:Now uses highest crit, but wrong cp}
1 is slotted for 3 different passives and a slightly ever used active ability: Bound armarments
1 is a aoe dot and armor buff combined that only reaches max damage if you let your armor buff run out in alot of rotations:hurricane

Do any of these seem to be flawed designs in any way?

What if:

Elfborn/Precise strikes now uses the highest crit stat, just like the new changes to abilities like CritSurge, DarkDeal (unless zos is thinking of cp reworks)

Bound armaments block ability could be moved to another ability, maybe a new morph of something, or left in.
Bound armaments now is your major resolve/ward that also offers increased light attack damage while active, maybe 20sec.
The max stam passive could be moved to the PASSIVES section of the sorc, maybe for slotting a stam based daedric ability.{cough make clannfear a stam summon, it already does phys damage. Im sure someone will use it.}

Hurricane can be left with the aoe dot and speed buff (possibly make this a snare removal mechanic, essentially if you want to utilize the snare removal you restart your dot and lose damage, maybe increase the dot duration keep equal damage) {this would really help stamsorc keep the only identity it has ever had, speed and mobility. This also still allows this ability to double as a pvp ability and pve with a little loss in dps}

I'm sure alot of people would *** and moan that boundless storm would no longer get major resolve and ward, maybe it could be tied to activating a daedric ability then bound armarments would give the respective max mag/stam buff on activation for the 20sec

MincVinyl · July 2019

There is Streak and BoL, but those are pretty solid abilities and mostly just for a utility slot. Not every build needs these slotted, where I will 100% slot DD,CS,Bound armaments, Hurricane. Sorry for my lack of top tier pve, but I doubt you would run DD, bound, and streak at all.

Then again maybe we don't want zos to touch stamsorc in fear that they mess it up somehow.

Lord_Sando · July 2019

Bump

TBois · July 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

So just bringing this thread back because I’m honestly getting sick of the lack of attention towards Stamsorc. Pretty much every class has had a skill altered, whether good or bad, this year EXECPT for Stamsorc. I understand that some changes have been made that couple help with utilization but still nothing unique to Stamsorc. When’s the love coming ZOS? It’s been long enough.

This is what frustrates me the most. They even mentioned doing an air atro in a stream at least 6 months ago, and we havent seen/heard anything about it since. I'm starting to think the new combat devs are like the new to elder scrolls people who come in these threads and say stam sorcs shouldn't even be a thing.

TBois · July 2019

I'm having flashbacks of when we tried asking for buffs with a *** ton of constructive threads a few years back. Many of the stam sorc mains kept links to the threads in their signatures. It's not a surprise only a few from those times are left.

Kronuxx · July 2019

WikiMeister wrote: »

Stamsorc resource economy and damage is honestly off the charts at the moment. This is my tooltip for Silver Shards, with Major Brutality active only. People must be joking if they say 'Stamsorc needs love' right now because this is nothing to be laughing at. 1.9k stamina expenditure for almost 13k tooltip, for a ranged, splitfire, spammable attack? You cannot be serious.

Anyone can be a tooltip warrior and post a tooltip based on a build or a set of conditions that buffs a specific ability. For example I can post extremely high vigor tooltips on my Stam DK but that requires specific buffs and a build. In general stamsorcs have little identity, they are the only class without inherent mitigation (templars have minor protection, nightblades have 2% x 5 stacks of mitigation, Necro's have access to damage reduction class skills, DK's have passive 3300 spell resistance, passive 12% healing received with draconic ability, and 10% more block mitigation and wardens have the passive frozen armor along with a passive that grants major mending). In addition Stam Sorcs have 4 passives that are completely useless to them as they benefit only their magicka counterpart/pet sorc). Additionally two of their class healing skills (Dark Deal and Critical Surge) doesn't even scale with the proper CP counterparts that synergize with a stamina build. They are also the only class to have no stamina class skill that can be used as damage. Stam DK's, Stam Necro, Stam NB, Stam Templar, Stam Warden all have it. Tooltip numbers mean nothing without real context.

WeylandLabs · July 2019

I'm proud that I was apart of the true Stam Sorc community when the class was trash in the begining. Then went to God status and back 11 slow nerfs later back to trash again.

People that played Stam Sorcs are some of the realist players. As DW bow full dot Stam Sorc we have seen it all now. I agree with most of these comments.

We are experiencing a culture change in ZOS and player base. What once was looked at as comical is now being taken seriously. We are seeing nerfs based on test dummy pasres, nerfs based on tooltip screenshots, and nerfs based on posts just becuase of the bias towards certain playstyles.

It's really a sad time for OG Stam Sorc players that continue to work with nothing to attain a high level achievement in PvE and PvP.

tsaescishoeshiner · July 2019

I wish stamsorcs had damage shield abilities/passives, a high burst damage utility skill, and a summon. As class skills.

This thread made me wonder: What IS stamsorc class identity?

During Wrathstone patch, I ran a PvE/PvP build with Seventh Legion, Briarheart, and Troll King/Kra'gh's/Veli that was a lot of fun in battlegrounds. DW/bow, 4 out of 12 skills were class skills, hidden blade as a spammable.
I felt the most "sorcy" in this build. I felt tanky via self-healing, with good recovery (passives, dark exchange) and sustained damage, and great mobility (between hurricane and streak). I love how the build did as well 1v2 thanks to surge and hurricane working together.

If they make adjustments (aka add some morphs), I hope stamsorc retains its identity as a class that can stay alive in your face, put on pressure with steady damage, and also zip around the battlefield. Patient and hyper, like a moving storm.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

I'm proud that I was apart of the true Stam Sorc community when the class was trash in the begining. Then went to God status and back 11 slow nerfs later back to trash again.

People that played Stam Sorcs are some of the realist players. As DW bow full dot Stam Sorc we have seen it all now. I agree with most of these comments.

We are experiencing a culture change in ZOS and player base. What once was looked at as comical is now being taken seriously. We are seeing nerfs based on test dummy pasres, nerfs based on tooltip screenshots, and nerfs based on posts just becuase of the bias towards certain playstyles.

It's really a sad time for OG Stam Sorc players that continue to work with nothing to attain a high level achievement in PvE and PvP.

I want the true bound armament back instead of this false skill, give me back my 3rd bar, or remove cooldown of surge. So many changes of the years, slowly taking stam sorc to the bottom of food chain. Only few play it now in both pve and pvp.

Seeing how zos changed soul trap to fit both magicka and stamina users make me even more sad as this type of treatment could have been done to stam sorc as well years ago. I guess stam sorc is a relic of the past for them.

Lyar09 · July 2019

I just want a new stamina morph skill. I’d prefer it to be a burst skill like frag but I’ll settle for a single target dot

eso_lags · July 2019

Its clear at this point we are not getting any buffs. Some of us have been asking for years. Honestly we should probably stop bringing it up and just let zos keep ignoring stam sorc til they forget about it because eventually zos is going to come for dark deal. Dark deal is the only thing holding this class up, i mean in pvp of course, and once they inevitably come to nerf it into the ground we are screwed.

But if I had to ask I would ask for some simple things. I have 6 useful passives on stam sorc. 7 if I slot bound armor.. I would like to see the other passives be useful. Easy, simple, changes.

Exploitation, why cant this give minor savegry and prophecy when using a dark mag ability? Blood magic could do something stamina based, something simple like grant minor fracture when you deal damage.. Capacitor could also give 10% stam recov, like it gives 10% mag recov. These are simple changes that make it equal to its magicka counterpart, at least in terms of passives.

Rebate and expert summoner should probably stay more pet oriented but ideally we should probably have a stamina pet. Not that I would use it unless it gave some good buff/debuff. Like a pet that applied fracture 👀..

A damage skill would be nice. A useful ultimate would be nice. But these are just dreams. Ideally, I would love to get some useful passives and 1 damage skill or debuff/buff skill. Like a stam curse with fracture or minor vulnerability or something. Hell, id even be happy with one buff. But again, I dont think zos will ever do it.

I still play my stam sorc just fine. The only issue I have is performance. Playing a dswing stam sorc with this games shameful performance is so incredibly difficult. And it is certainly a pigeonholed class. But its my main and I enjoy it. But I also play every other class, from time to time, and when I compare the stamina counterparts of each class it just makes me wonder.

Kronuxx · July 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

I just want a new stamina morph skill. I’d prefer it to be a burst skill like frag but I’ll settle for a single target dot

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind Stam Sorcs getting a stamina based morph (preferably a melee range morph as they are better adept for melee skills due to the mechanics of hurricane and inherent minor expedition), but realistically we need our passives to better synergize with the stamina counterpart and we need our two class heals (Dark Deal and Critical Surge) to actually scale with the right CP passives (primarily Precise Strikes and not Elfborn, ffs ZOS).

The current passives that do not benefit Stam Sorcs or are so situational requiring to be heavily invested into magicka are:

1) Blood Magic (there can be some debate about this passive and it's usefulness for Stam Sorcs)
2) Exploitation
3) Rebate
4) Expert Summoner

Celestro · July 2019

Yep, Dark Magic line bothers me almost as much as the Daedric Summoning line. Exploitation, which triggers one of the exclusive Minor damage/critical buffs each of the four original classes possess cannot be 'reasonably' triggered unlike both Stamina and Magicka versions of other classes (I think DK is kind of iffy too). For PvE anyway.

Even though a stamsorc wouldn't benefit much from the passive triggering, it'd be an additional bit of utility they're otherwise not bringing to a group. I imagine a stamina melee ranged morph of Crystal Shard would make the most sense. And then the Blood Magic passive would have a use on top of that.

Expert Summoner is a little useful if you use the Greater Storm Atronach ult at least but would be even better if they do ever implement the Air Atronach they were talking about. Rebate could be reworked to something simple like restoring x Magicka or Stamina, whichever is higher, whenever a pet is killed off. Still different than Warden's similar passive but more useful for either stam or mag. Even restoring all three resource statistics would be better than the current version I feel like.

NinchiTV · July 2019

Make exploitation give minor savagery, give us a stam single target dmg like a stam frag.

TBois · July 2019

All zos would have to do next patch to make me happy boy would be to finish their audit and make the skills stam sorcs use scale off of the stam cp. Leave everything else for a future patch.

daedemrwb17_ESO · July 2019

PvP or PvE this class has lacked any serious attention or identity for nearly its entire existence. Hurricane was the last bone ZOS gave us and that was literally years ago at this point. It's downright insulting.

ZOS give me an Air Atro transformation ult and let me let it rip like a beyblade and really be the Storm.