Well, we'll keep the "labels" indicating our class.

Once you log in, though, you'll pick standard skills, standard spells, standard abilities to play in a uniform way in a streamlined game where the only variable will be how much ping you have.

Vahrokh wrote: »

Well, we'll keep the "labels" indicating our class.

Once you log in, though, you'll pick standard skills, standard spells, standard abilities to play in a uniform way in a streamlined game where the only variable will be how much ping you have.

Not sure if pretty much everyone having "999+" makes it a variable .

I think that maybe they are working on a classless system. Something like choose any 3 class skills lines. This is probably wrong, but seems like a direction they could be headed.

I sure wish they would "standardize" Blast Bones.

Maybe then it would actually work.

I think the Devs started out with a typical set of MMO classes and have gradually been moving towards a more singleplayer TES philosophy (urged by a vocal segment of the playerbase) where you can play any role on any class.

Once you add in the pressures of horizontal progression which means the Devs have to keep changing the meta...

And you add in two new classes which have to fill in the niches of tank, healer, and DD not quite covered by the other classes...

Class = Role is no longer such a hard line as it used to be.

BlueRaven wrote: »

That being said when I first started playing this game I was surprised that classes were going to be a thing, rather I thought all of the skills would be in trees (like in skyrim for example). So I don't know how I feel about a total elimination of classes. Would I prefer it? In a way, but the current system is not totally bad either. Do I trust the current team to do it right? I do not.

To be honest, as radically as they nerf every PTS, I would love to have all of the skill lines independent of class. It would make it easier to adapt to meta changes with a respec. Luckily they don't have class change tokens...it would cause me to waste a lot of money.

Yes, in 12 months you'll be able to buy other classes skill lines in the clown store.

Imagine if ZOS turns around and says one day:

"We care about player feedback and will re-think all the drastic changes in the future"

That would be nice

No, they need classes to sell their otherwise feature lacking DLC.

Imo, they need to remove the CP stats and give them back to the classes, but help the classes stand out by leaning in to their specializations that are already present, but too weak to make a big enough difference. Remove the EVERY build has +20% dot/direct/crit dmg and +11% fire/frost/shock/physical/poison/disease, then add them back to the classes.

Sorc's could do +10% more physical/shock damage, DK's +10% Poison/Fire damage, Warden's + 10% Magicka/Frost damage, NB +10% Direct/Crit Dmg, etc.

I'd like to see Sorc's rewarded to use Lightning Skills and DK's to use Flame skills, DK's also get resource back from their specialized damage types every 2s, so the evidence is already there to make classes unique even when they are choosing abilities outside their class. '

With +3 additional Magicka dots in the game, classes should not be dropping their own abilities to use close to all 3, it should feel like a choice. With more and more abilities becoming viable outside of Class skills, I would hope to see a world where DK's choose Flame Reach and Fire Blockade, Warden would choose Frost Reach, Soul Trap and Ice Blockade, etc.

With the possible introduction of Spell Crafting, this would also give players a reason to choose specific crafted skills over another. If you DON'T give classes bonuses to a specific skill set. EVERYONE would choose the same ability which is why people are scared of Spell Crafting in the current context of the game.

Realistically, yea. We have been for a while but it is much more pronounced now. Certainly, most rotations for mag players post patch will be very similar when they are obviously not now. Most rotations will be 12 seconds because wall and entropy are that and there won't be much downtime on the 10 second soul trap. I expect these 3 abilities will be in all rotations. Whatever class you have will really come down to passives and what few dots / utilities / executes / procs / and passives the class has. They are all going to feel pretty similar in the way stam builds currently feel similar.

Well, this is what happens when people scream to much; "overpowered" and "unbalanced" about classes and class skills..